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A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

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Brain Candy posted:

the enemy is simultaneously weak and very powerful, now where have i heard that one before?
This doesn't quite hit the mark. These people actually just believe the trans lobby is very powerful, because it's really just the patriarchy trying to encroach on female spaces, they don't simultaneously hold the belief that it's weak.

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A Buttery Pastry
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Anime Bernie Bro posted:

if this chart were at all true i'd be the biggest transgender on the planet
Hopefully not a perfect score.

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Anime Bernie Bro posted:

if it makes u feel any better, racist dudes hate the "the left are the real racists" trope as much as we do
I'm reminded of that Nazi who got mortally offended when an "ally" claimed the Nazis were actually socialists.

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Sep 4, 2011

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Some Guy TT posted:

under what circumstances would a person ever need this app its very existence seems to imply that its difficult to tell the difference between a cis and a trans woman which kind of sounds like the opposite of terf ideology
Their whole deal is about intrinsic internal aspects, not the outside, as far as I can tell? That being "the male drive to dominate and abuse", which men can suppress long enough to get women in vulnerable positions. Trans women are basically terminators in terf ideology.

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Sep 4, 2011

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some plague rats posted:

I remember when these were funny. I was young then
the cuckoldry drama really changed them

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unwantedplatypus posted:

Any chance you got some articles or recommendations handy to learn more about this?
Forget about Japan, read about rats:

https://demystifysci.com/blog/2020/7/22/rat-dystopia

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Sep 4, 2011

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tokin opposition posted:

Imagine thinking like this

Anyone who would willingly go back to the 1950s should be gulaged imo
It's a typical example of identifying a real issue (or at least adjacent to one), then coming up with the worst solution. Women "entering the workplace" should have resulted in the hours worked at a job and a home to balance out between men and women, and household income to increase with increased labor force participation. Instead, wages were essentially adjusted so household (man + woman) incomes remained the same despite another (paid) worker being added to the equation - while still requiring women to do the vast majority of work at home. Which is basically two scams at once, one at the expense of workers in general, one at the expense of women in particular.

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Surprise T Rex posted:

Look it's very simple you bloody snowflakes, "gender" is binary just like biological sex. There are only two options. You can be born with:

- one or more dicks
- one or more vaginas
- both
- none
- some combination of the constituent parts of the two
I made your post more scientifically accurate.

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Sep 4, 2011

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loquacius posted:

https://twitter.com/LilySimpson1312/status/1571647180326473728

This is old news but it got reposted and I just wanted somewhere to lmao at "can get to gently caress" because she's so mad and she wanted to swear about it but it ended up sounding like she wants to gently caress her
that's just british english

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loquacius posted:

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1577684068447277059

Billionaire boldly volunteers legal battle against charity; is hailed as hero by tens of thousands
When I started reading that, I thought she was starting a beef with the entire country.

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Sep 4, 2011

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loquacius posted:

https://twitter.com/helenhairnets/status/1581987729646137345

Sorry to continue JKRchat but the strawmen these people have managed to erect to avoid having to grapple with the idea of a lady who wrote some books they liked when they were 12 being a douche are really something to behold
"You don't create sacred casts of people like celebrities that can't be questioned" - Said in defense of a celebrity

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Sep 4, 2011

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obviously she meant to call it the witch trials by jk rowling

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Platystemon posted:

Rowling loves to straight up gaslight people about what she’s written.

Like she says that she never explicitly described Hermione as having white skin, but she totally did.


Ever heard of vitiligo??? Maybe only her face is white.

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Platystemon posted:

Also her left hand
this makes sense. a sinister skin color for a sinister hand

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Some Guy TT posted:

martha stewart has been rehabilitated as a feminist icon for reasons unclear to me

like the last scene of mrs maisel has a line that says she was unfairly punished for being a woman
she combines trad wife with girlboss, a very powerful combo

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Sep 4, 2011

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mawarannahr posted:

never thought of chess players as gamers, but it's true
they're the original gamers

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first of all, it should clearly be the Curse of Ninurta

second, a game alone does not a gamer make

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is it a feminist book club, or a feminist book club?

in any case, you should present your thesis that this is actually an anti-feminist book, which infantilizes women and acts like they are beasts incapable of ethical behavior.

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pandy fackler posted:

i googled engagement chicken and its literally just roasted chicken with lemon and herbs?? thats barely a recipe

maybe thats in the article idk i skimmed

also i like cooking for my partner feminazis gently caress off!
it doesn't even suggest butterflying the chicken, or separating the skin from the meat to make it crispier...

really, it sounds only a step above lowest minimum effort chicken

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loquacius posted:

How much better would the world be if you were simply forbidden from writing culture war articles when you got divorced
Divorced people and people over 60 should not be allowed to write, run for office, or vote.

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Though understating the effect of loveless marriages, which are unfortunately not only a boomer thing
Fine, you can't do any of that from the moment you get married.

loquacius posted:

Divorced people can still vote imo, I just do not want to read their thoughts about gender politics because they're never gonna be a good source on it. I'd bet like 95% of manosphere guys are divorced too (and the other 5% will be soon)! Either the divorce wasn't their fault, in which case they're gonna be bitter and have a warped view of the opposite gender, or the divorce WAS their fault, in which case they're an rear end in a top hat anyway.
This is an argument for not letting straight people write, but what about gay divorcees?

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Dr. Stab posted:

I took estrogen because it makes me feel good in my body, not because it makes me conform to cisnormative expectations of gender. Cisnormative society is what kept me from starting sooner. Nothing about my transition is for anyone but me.
Yeah, I was a bit confused about that point. Like, if it's not about the body, then being trans becomes entirely a social construct, where some people decide to quite radically alter their body so they can be allowed to wear dresses or whatever? Which means the argument becomes that if you took some happily hyper-masculine presenting burly lumberjack dude, and put his brain in a tiny hyper-feminine body, the only thing he'd want in terms of presentation is the ability to wear flannel shirts and chop wood.

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Whirling posted:

Also, the other thing that really pisses me off is that, despite how much TERFs go on and on and on about how men are these inherently dangerous brutes that do the vast majority of violent acts, they'll gleefully make use of male violence to harm trans women. Its some real loving diseased thinking to try and make these laws that will result in male police officers brutalizing trans women for stepping out of bounds into places like the women's restroom or changing room or whatever the gently caress, and then send them to men's prisons where male inmates and guards will brutalize them. I can't even begin to understand how they think they're not participants in this violence! It makes me so loving upset, and god do I hate it when I see Marxists adopt this moronic liberal thinking and putting a pseudo-materialist spin on it.
From their perspective, this is men harming other men, which is just.

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tokin opposition posted:

sex work is work but so is massage or selling drugs and i wouldn't want either brought into my office where I don't really get to consent freely if the guy bringing them in is my boss
you seem to be conflating two things here, that being having porn star as a profession and actually making porn. a porn star in the office is just another person until they start getting naked, just like a masseuse is just a person until she starts telling you to get naked.

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Mr. Lobe posted:

there was also a guy in jail too, until there wasn't
typical female privilege. he gets killed within a week, while she's living it up

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here's a free argument for you:

with food and rent being about half the household expenditure of the average worker, and men on average being larger than women, a gender pay gap is necessary to maintain equity between sexes. this becomes more and more true as food costs continue to rise.

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Sep 4, 2011

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Some Guy TT posted:

i see so what youre saying is that southwest airlines giving fat people an extra seat for free is actually a form of misogyny
it's both misogyny AND misandry. misandry because they only care about width, misogyny because it rewards sexual appropriation from women, who naturally have big asses/wide hips at a healthy weight

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One More Fat Nerd posted:

There is a very specific kind of sting to (perceived) failure when it happens in an environment specifically built to favor you.
i'd suggest another, harsher, sting, for people who don't accept the above premise: being poor makes you (basically) a woman

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War and Pieces posted:

not if you conspire with other poor men to make poor women's life hell :discourse:
that's called internalized misogyny

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Some Guy TT posted:

one reason i dont like the phrase "commitmentphobic" is that if you actually talk to guys like this it becomes pretty clear pretty quickly that its not that theyre afraid of commitment they just dont think married lifestyle is for them and theyre probably right

theyre actually not that different from the women you describe here which is why its really weird that one of the key examples of feminist consciousness raising also manifesting in dudes results in pop feminists assuming these men must be sick in the head somehow
men: break down the institution of marriage in their mind and decide it's not for them
women: only realize marriage is bad when it harms them personally

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One More Fat Nerd posted:

I know a lady who got hit with a dating site scam. It was surprisingly in depth, like, there were several dates, including sex, before the scam happened and the dude disappeared and she found out his name/details were fake. Seems like a lot of work for $1200.

I'd be very surprised if men got hit with scams more than women on these sites. If you're paying people to run scams, you're gonna want them to be proactive, and that means messaging people first.

(Obviously talking about the cishets here) Getting messaged first is the default for women on these sites. For regular dudes its a pretty rare occurrence and usually indicates something is up. In my experience it was about :

1/3 scams (usually pretty obvious, broken English, girl way too hot)
1/3 ladies who had an obvious reason dudes weren't messaging them (wheelchair, etc)
1/3 ladies who were looking for a person/situation far enough outside the norm that they had to go hunting. (6ft tall black women interested in short nerdy white boys are probably gonna have to go looking).

Ladies on these sites are gonna be using all their energy looking out for stalker creeps, closet incels and violent assholes, as thats the primary danger to them. Scammers probably aren't even on the radar.
I feel like you're actually arguing for men being more likely to be hit with scams here. Women receive more messages in general, so scammers will be more likely to hit "virgin territory" if they go after men. (Self-reported) stats also support the notion that men are more likely to be targeted, and I found (mention of) a study that had 5% and 11% of (presumably dating app using) women and men respectively having been victims of a romance scam. Besides, my understanding is also that scammers usually appreciate weeding anyone with even the slightest level of suspicion out immediately to not waste time, in which case it's almost an advantage that men have been taught to assume anyone messaging is a scammer until proven otherwise. If you ignore the obvious initial warning signs, nothing short of losing access to the internet will stop you from handing over your money.

That said, different types of scams also skew heavily based on the local culture and the gender of the person being targeted. Apparently a common scam in China is for restaurants/cafes to hire women to set up dates in the restaurant, making huge profits off of extremely expensive meals. Like $100-2,000 dollar expensive. Scams targeting women on the other hand apparently tend to target older women/widows.

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tokin opposition posted:

This is why I support state mandated asexuality injections
No evidence that this is not actually asexual people trying to "fit in" in a world they don't understand.

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War and Pieces posted:

Fellas is it gay for a man to love himself?
Loving a man and letting his penis so close to your rear end at all times? About as gay as can be.

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sleeptalker posted:

Aren't they supposed to learn how to be a functional human being from their parents or something? What's going on there?
It depends on which parental influences dominate their upbringing:

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Pepe Silvia Browne posted:

smdh. in the feminism thread. do better.
not all men

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Male bear = vicious man-eating beast
Female bear = girl boss mom just defending her babies

Grimnarsson posted:

Doesn't the WNBA make a fraction of what the NBA makes? Or does the WNBA make huge amounts of money that middle-men are pocketing and not giving it to the women who deserve it? If that is the case then of course these women are paid too little and the revenue of their sports league should be distributed more equitably. This seems like some razor sharp issue that some people can focus on at the exclusion of wider examples of inequality, poverty, deprivation, and what not and et cetera.
The WNBA seems to be running up against the issue that they made a 10-year collective bargaining agreement when the league was like a PR stunt for the NBA, but now it's actually seeing massive year-on-year growth. Like, revenue more than tripled 2022 to 2023 alone. Apparently the league does have a revenue sharing mechanism equivalent to that of the NBA (50% of total revenue), if the league hits a revenue target, which it hasn't yet.

BigWeirdSashimi posted:

What's the endgame for "all men are wild rabid animals, you get what you deserve, pigs?"
Question: Do you think this is all women saying that stuff? Are those women necessarily that far off in their social circles? Kinda seems like the radicalization some men are going through would lead to greater divergence in male groups/environments, which could manifest as the above essentially being true for women who are unable or unwilling to try their luck in a less toxic swamp.

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Ohtori Akio posted:

twinks are closely followed by forums moderators...the bear for sure
never get between a moderator and their twinks

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