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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

so is this supposed to be the opposite of the misogyny thread or what

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

tokin opposition posted:

I'm a misandrist

first good post in the thread

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

tokin opposition posted:

Thanks for contributing nothing of use. You must be a second waver.


So what's everyone favorite feminist author? Mine is Judith Butler because I love words.

how cancelled is dworkin

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

also can we count le guin and octavia butler

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


dang, I was hoping for at least under 50

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

some plague rats posted:

She got canceled for saying girls are only supporting bernie sanders to impress boys which is obviously horseshit and she can gently caress off. I supported Bernie because I love racism

Uh Dworkin died in 2005, I know what you're talking about but I forget who it was

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

some plague rats posted:

Ah yeah I was thinking of gloria steinem

all these busted rear end second wavers are the same to me

Steinem was a proud CIA informant lmao

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I ask in part bc I'm a cishet dude in a region where "should women have the vote" isn't quite a settled question, so I'm basically just getting all the theory from random readings and don't have a good grasp on the internecine academic blood feuds that provide context

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

YOLOsubmarine posted:

My experience with incels and MRAs is that they hate women and think they should be sexual chattel and talk often about how sluts deserve to be raped. They complain about how women only date assholes but they’re just mad that they’re dating OTHER assholes and not them.

yeah there's a distinction between the broad category of straight men who can't find a partner and incels in particular, though obviously the danger is in falling from the former to the latter

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

actually on a related note, what's a good source on the history "women in the workplace" because lots of people seem to think it was invented in the middle or early 20th century but Marx is already talking about it in 1848 and ofc in premodern agrarian economy women were heavily involved in subsistence farming and cottage industry (though how far they could go with it waxed and waned)

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Shiroc posted:


Seconding Caliban and the Witch. Women, Race And Class from Angela Davis is probably focused later than you're interested in but she has some interesting points about the labor of black women in it.

I've read Caliban and it's cool and interesting but IIRC more about the early modern and the crushing of the limited independence women had in medieval agrarianism. In the question I had I'm more interested in early industrial wage labor- how involved women were in that and how it's remembered differently. I'm gonna put some money on "stay at home mothers were a brief petty bourg/labor aristocrat affectation" but I don't have anything to back that up

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

enbies actually go to limbo like unbaptized infants

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

I'm sorry I know that's awful but the idea of trying to plug trans people's economic data into a spreadsheet to figure out if they're good or not is an incredibly funny reaction

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

loquacius posted:

I like "transmen" as one word because I imagine it being pronounced like "frenchmen" or "firemen"

Fremen

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

You're not wrong but it's absolutely a human trend rather than being a problem with liberals- how many rightist think Joe Biden is literally a communist? Most people don't bother to interact with their enemies (and when they're as vile as the incel/Tate crowd I can't quite blame em) and it's just easy to lump them together- but that's a problem much broader than any single ideology

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

the bitcoin of weed posted:

the fellas have not been ok for quite a while

Quite possibly have never been OK, really

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

loquacius posted:

Lesbian panopticon dystopia

The TERF Baru Comorant

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Whirling posted:

I think porn can break people's brains but I'm not sure its especially potent in that regard. Your standard Fox News watcher is about on par with the insanity of a man that jacks off at work.

Being narrowly right about the contradictions underlying something and then refusing to extrapolate it to anything other than their pet grudge is a pretty common reactionary trope

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

tokin opposition posted:

im woke so give me a woman with six cantaloupes

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

is being socially incompetent better or worse here? Asking for a friend

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StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

Some Guy TT posted:

theres another study that claims that single moms actually have more leisure time than married women which is equally as illogical on its face unless youre just assuming that the act of getting married arbitrarily creates new labor requirements out of nowhere that serve no actual purpose

I mean idk if the studies are correct but yes the assertion is that married women end up doing the husband's share of the chores as well

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