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qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Hand Knit posted:

If chess.com has a goon team I'll edit it in here.

Dunno know if it counts as a team, but a few chess.com goons are in Keep Your Fork

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qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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D34THROW posted:

Okay, so question. Where does Chess.com get its puzzles from? It's quite visible that lichess gets them from direct games, but some of Chess.com's puzzles make no loving sense to me because they seem...impractical for real play.

Pretty sure chess.com also uses computers to extract them from games. If you click analyze on a puzzle, I think it points you to the game where it came from.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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D34THROW posted:

What analysis engine does Chess.com use?

The default looks to be Stockfish:


There must be configuration differences or something because I've found that chess.com and lichess engines give slightly different evaluations for the same games.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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also the chess.com daily puzzles seem to reset in difficulty at the start of every week and get harder afterwards so hopefully poo poo puzzles aren't appearing every day

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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live chat is like youtube comments, i always close it

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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TrixRabbi posted:

May look to join the Goon club on Chess.com once I feel a bit more confident in my rating and skills.

just join, no will care if you're bad (also the club's been pretty dead lately :ssh:)

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:

apparently russia has banned chess.com, for having pro-ukrainian news announcements and interviews

given that russia has blocked the nft supporting anarcho-capitalists at chess.com, but continues to allow access to the free, and therefore socialist, lichess shows once again that when you play on lichess you're siding with the godless soviets

:sickos:

Maugrim posted:

NFTs, loving hell. I'm enrolled in a couple of long running daily tournaments on chess.com that I hate to abandon but it's not like I'm paying for membership at least. I guess it's time I started playing properly on lichess. Does it have a decent pool of daily/correspondence players and user-organised custom tournaments?

Last I checked (which was years ago), lichess does not have a great correspondence pool. There's also no matchmaking, you see a list of seeks and you pick one.

I emailed chess.com to opt out of their NFTs. Still haven't gotten back to me yet. If they don't, I have no qualms with deleting my account.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Zwabu posted:

The bolded part is wrong.

On the home page you can toggle between Quick Pairing (what you seek), Lobby (where you see what matches are available according to search parameters you set and pick one), and Correspondence.

I meant there's no auto-pairing for the correspondence mode like there is for daily games in chess.com. Just checked again and it's still just a lobby :smith:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Carbolic posted:

There was a Columbo episode with a chess champion killer but I've only seen clips on Youtube.

There was also an episode of Monk about a chess master who killed his wife :crossarms:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Plugging this again: https://www.chesstactics.org/

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Tactics are always one of the most important things no matter your level. https://www.chess-tactics.org is a great website/book thing that actually takes the time to explain how they work and what to look for. It's a real good place to start.

Link is broken, it should have no hyphen: https://www.chesstactics.org/

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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I think that game/puzzle was also featured in Chessmaster 10 by Josh Waitzkin himself :D

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Got my first !! move in this position, black to play:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Salt Fish posted:

All I ask is that I never learn that Wesley is a jerk :pray:


:yikes:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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i like ben's theory of not wanting to go to a cardinals game the best: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMxJbJGGKgQ

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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If Hans had been cheating so much, chess.com should have permabanned him a long time ago. What a skeevy rear end NFT site.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Does anyone really play on the FIDE Online Arena? Lichess and chess.com get all the attention so I was surprised to find out about this. Apparently this counts to a FIDE online rating?

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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fart simpson posted:

only nerds like chess

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Redmark posted:

After reading about how prevalent online cheating is, not only from Hans, I'm definitely on team chaos.

I'm on team "Magnus is an rear end in a top hat"

e: to clarify, this was my position before this whole Hans debacle and will almost certainly remain so afterwards

qsvui fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Sep 20, 2022

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Salt Fish posted:

Cheating in online money tournaments is total bullshit what on earth are you talking about.

eh, even online money tournaments aren't as A Big Deal as OTB. they're online video games, of course people are going to cheat in them.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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TheRat posted:

He also revealed that Hans' coach was Maxim Dlugy, who's also been banned for cheating online.

so has this been confirmed or is this another Magnus style accusation?

e: I mean being the coach thing, not the cheating thing

qsvui fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Sep 22, 2022

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Sub Rosa posted:

And it's really clear that Magnus wasn't acting out of embarrassment or anger.

:thunk:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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This is completely irrelevant to anything, but I remember a pro CS:GO player got VAC banned in the middle of a match. The thought of an arbiter stopping a chess game in progress and letting a player know that they've been banned for cheating gave me a light chuckle.

qsvui fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Sep 23, 2022

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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dex_sda posted:

Nepo dropped a vid where he elaborates OTB cheating is actually a thing, and that he himself went to the organisers to beef up security (and was denied) when he found out Niemann was participating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT7WhzbZPmE

Very clearly implies he thinks Niemann is a GM level player using some sort of assistance - although he admits that's just his feeling. It seems Niemann being a cheater is open knowledge among top players lol.

This drama owns #teamchaos

I think Andrew Tang and Maurice Ashley also mentioned that they knew or at least suspected Hans of cheating in the past

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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dupersaurus posted:

Ignoring the drama side of the drama, it’s been interesting hearing the discourse about what cheating would look like. I would have never thought that something like the equivalent of someone walking by and tapping you on the shoulderbutthole to watch out would be powerful, but it makes a lot of sense.

There have been some elaborate methods:

Wikipedia posted:

In October 2010, Feller scored 6/9 (+5 =2 -2) during the 39th Chess Olympiad and won the Gold medal for best individual performance on board 5. However, the French Chess Federation accused Feller, along with French players GM Arnaud Hauchard and IM Cyril Marzolo, of cheating during the Olympiad. While Feller was in the playing hall, Marzolo was in France where he checked the best moves on the computer. Marzolo then allegedly sent the move in coded pairs of numbers by SMS to Hauchard. Once Hauchard had the suggested move, he would position himself in the hall behind one of the other players’ tables in a predefined coded system, where each table represented a move to play. The French Chess Federation claims, in all, 200 text messages were sent during the tournament.

Apparently, the dude ended up going to prison for this :stare:

qsvui fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Sep 24, 2022

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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cheetah7071 posted:

if you have enough data, you can massage statistics to say almost anything you want

the trick is to have a specific hypothesis and a corresponding null hypothesis, and a specific test for whether or not it's acceptable to discard the null hypothesis, backed by actual math and not intuition

you cannot just toss out a number, say "this looks sus", and have it mean anything in a situation like this

chess brain is when you're good at chess and think you're good at statistics but are actually very bad at it

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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totalnewbie posted:

People really bending over backwards to defend an ADMITTED CHEATER against the world champion because somehow the world champion has a grudge against an ADMITTED CHEATER or is salty he lost or something.

he deffo is salty he lost, have you only been following chess this year

nrook posted:

I feel all this focus on cheating has distracted the chess community from the real enemies in their midst: people who play 1. d4.

i also play the sicilian against e4 :evilbuddy:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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uPen posted:

If he's cheating and there's no evidence that's on the tournament organizers. How much do these online/OTB chess tournaments spend on anti-cheating measures? Do they have experts from other cheating prone industries (casinos, pro sports erc.) audit their anti-cheating system? Like is it just chess people building these plans or is it people with actual expertise in security?

If you can cheat for years at the highest level and not only not get caught but there's no actual evidence of your cheating that seems like a pretty catastrophic failure from pro chess as an organization. If Hans was getting away with it there are others who still are.

My conspiracy theory is that FIDE (besides being cheap) don't want to look to closely into cheating because they're afraid of how exposing how many cheaters there are. Also, their buddies probably cheat too.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Hand Knit posted:

I mean one of the top guys in the previous FIDE regime literally filed fake tournament results.

drat, i need to read up on fide lore

Control Volume posted:

Lol this is going the exact same way as when speedrunners cheat, my firm prediction now is that Hans cheated OTB

The only question is how? That's something that I haven't seen much discussion on. Did all of Hans' games where he scored well take place in open tournaments where he could just go to the bathroom and look at his phone? If not, did he have a device in his shoe that would buzz when someone signaled a critical position (the DlugyTron 9000)? Does he really have a goony goon accomplice that can actually stand being around him?

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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can we shut up about the anal beads!!!

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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AnacondaHL posted:

Choosing to play and lose to Hans first at least gives him the leverage to play the victim card.

nah it just makes him look like a big crybaby

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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nrook posted:

Chess.com may be a malign actor, a parasite, and the enemy of free chess, but they're still more trustworthy than Niemann or most of the other people accused of cheating.

i still don't trust them op

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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another sinister tactic that chess.com uses to keep you on their hook :tinfoil:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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WSJ posted:

The report says that while Carlsen’s actions at the Sinquefield Cup prompted them to reassess Niemann’s behavior, Carlsen “didn’t talk with, ask for, or directly influence Chess.com’s decisions at all.”

This just does not help my view of chess.com being a scummy and bad web site. Why would Carlsen leaving cause them to "reassess"? Is the answer in the 70 page report that I'm not going to read?

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Mechafunkzilla posted:

Because it turned chess cheating into national news?

I would have had him permanently banned the first time he was caught but I guess that's why I'm not the CEO of an online chess company.

totalnewbie posted:

The reigning (or is it considered vacated already?) World Champion just withdrew from a tournament (which is a very strong statement in and of itself) after playing a game against someone we know to have cheated on our website before, citing suspicion of cheating.

You're getting your timelines mixed up. Hans was banned before Magnus made any statement or public comment about Hans' cheating, besides his "tee hee" tweet which was so vague that he could deny having made any accusation. The first time we learned of Hans' ban was in his interview after playing Dominguez: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJZuT-_kij0

totalnewbie posted:

Gee, I guess we'll just let a known cheater keep playing in our big tournament!

Why has this well known cheater been allowed to play in our site for years until now???

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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Sub Rosa posted:

I mean I guess still an admitted cheater lied when coming clean when he said he never cheated in money events, so he has no credibility when he claims he never cheated OTB.

I rewatched the interview and technically he said he never cheated in money tournaments outside of the one time when he was 12.

I'm still having trouble imagining this goony dude being able to cheat OTB for years undetected or that he could even be disciplined enough to cheat only sparingly. But maybe he found a way or maybe security at these tournaments is really lax :shrug:

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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I feel pretty good after playing what I think is a clean game. But Stockfish says I made like 6 blunders and then I feel bad.

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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lol that chess.com released chat logs like this is your run of the mill twitch drama

qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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fart simpson posted:

im pretty sure it didn’t. now what

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qsvui
Aug 23, 2003
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What are the criteria to make it into Candidates? If Hans isn't banned from OTB, I'm just wondering whether he could somehow break in to Candidates if he only grinds Elo in lower level tournaments.

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