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Dec 10, 2011

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Convex posted:

He's the fall guy for something sooner or later, they just haven't settled on what.

Boris is going to be the fall guy for all of it. He led the charge on Brexit, he's directly responsible for the failures of the COVID response, and he's personally involved in every bit of Tory corruption to a level deeper than anyone else. And because he was the leader and was worse than them, he can't even mount a "you too" defence when they come for him.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Incy posted:

The request was for something that wasn't a two degrees of separation from Zenz.

That doesn't mean "post something that is one degree of separation from Zenz".

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Dec 10, 2011

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

On the 12th day if peaking my true love came to me
gently caress off will ya is what she said to me

On the first day of peaking my true love said to me
"I'm leaving, and I'm taking the kids"

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Why is it LOL? What am I missing?

It's been retweeted by Marvel Universe.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Lou's unveiling his new Mambo Number 1488.

A little bit of swastika in my life
A little bit of Hitler, I'm alright
A little bit of Bormann's all I need
A little bit of Eichmann is what I see
A little bit of Rommel in the sun
A little bit of Goering all night long
A little bit of Krystallnacht for the cash
A little hating Jews makes me go fash

Reich number three!

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Dec 10, 2011

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Trickjaw posted:

God, 'The Road To Wigan Pier' is hard going. Good old Blair treating the working class as if they're in his own little petri dish, even though he is wishy washily empathic. Oh, and in mortal fear of sharing a bottle with low men.

Considering he had tuberculosis, I'm really not worried about the idea of not sharing a bottle with George Orwell.

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Dec 10, 2011

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peanut- posted:

Doesn’t she live in the US? I thought the US tells the UK to gently caress right off with any and all libel judgements.

And with all other judgements. But Americans routinely use UK courts for libel tourism because we take a stricter line on what constitutes harm. I think they might be alright with throwing a sex worker under the bus to keep that untampered with.

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Dec 10, 2011

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stev posted:

What really boils my piss is that this would have been so much more damaging last January when the outrage was fresh but the usual suspects just decided not to tell anyone about it for a year.

A year ago the Tories weren't quite as obviously ready to go full fash. Much though we like to say otherwise, the media in this country don't want actual fascism. A genuinely fascist government controls the media and tells it what it can and can't say, and the media barons do not want that at all. Their business is to maintain the status quo where the rich elites are above it all and can do as they wish, and that includes themselves. That it takes so long and things have to go so far for the media to act against the Conservatives is because they're all right wing themselves and so much of what they want to say is what a Tory government wants them to say. Tory racism, for example, is fine by them because they can use racial hatred to keep the proles turned on each other instead of stopping to look up.

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Dec 10, 2011

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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

I said this a week or so ago about scandals every 6 hours. I read through 100 UKMT posts and in horror what do I see? Like scandals every 6 hours I just want to say loving hell. HOW ARE THEY STILL IN GOVERNMENT


The virgin Kenny labour literally won't say a word other than 'love me Tory voters!

Your second paragraph in part answers the first. But we have literally no way to get the Tories out of government. Even if every Tory MP faced a recall, they'd still be in charge until the by-elections, and they'd probably win most of those if not all regardless. And that's assuming they didn't just use the intervening six weeks to change the law allowing them to retroactively dismiss petitions for recall.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Tesseraction posted:

To be honest I would quite like to see our thumbs attempt a Jan 6th because they will just get kettled on the green outside and eventually start beating each other up.

Schrodinger's Thumb, both inside the kettle and forming it at the same time.

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Dec 10, 2011

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smellmycheese posted:

Rumours are that Old Cuck Cole was at the party

No, the Sun aren't reporting on the Downing Street party because he wasn't there. He was at their Christmas party, which was held the same night.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Grey Hunter posted:

Welcome to modern politics, where the office xmas party actually has a (very small) chance of toppling the government.

I can't think of any other political party that's likely to do it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Cookie Cutter posted:

For me there's one main contradiction that I've not seen a good explanation for, if anyone can clear it up I'd be thankful. Most people I talk to who are pro-Indy have this idea of a timeline of future events that includes voting SNP as a path to independence, after which we'll be able to break their deadlock on politics north of the border and vote in some kind of green-socialist coalition.
This is a pretty commonly held point of view in my anecdotal experience, but my issue with it is, it seems to be dependant on a parliamentary liberal party with total dominance of the political sphere to deliberately make the choice to kneecap their own position by solving the main issue that keeps handing them electoral victory, and graciously hand the reigns over to the people... when has this ever happened?

The claim has always been that the SNP are a coalition of parties united in the cause of independence but ultimately incompatible with one another. Once Scotland is free from the Hated English Yoke TM, this coalition will dissolve and Scotland will be governed by one of the new parties that forms.

There are two main flaws with this logic. First, if the SNP really were a coalition of incompatible groups then they wouldn't be able to agree on any policy outside of independence. This is patently not the case, and even if it were then they'd not be capable of making plans for what would happen if they actually succeeded in their goal. They'd be the last people you'd ever want to lead a new country, even including the Tories.

Second, it presumes that the largest faction in the SNP wouldn't simply take over the party apparatus after the smaller groups broke away and ride that to electoral success. Most of the smaller factions would probably remain anyway; they like being close to power and they're already toeing the party line if they don't like it.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Convex posted:

I'm so loving angry about politics right now but leave her alone imo. Let Boris take the heat, he deserves it.

Carrie Symonds cheated on her partner to be Boris's mistress when Boris was still married to his now ex-wife, who I think may have been pregnant at the time - I know Boris has done that at least once, but the timeline of his infidelities is impossible to track. Either way she's a repellent person who knew exactly what she was crawling into bed with. She chose this.

E: no, it was the other wife. Marina Wheeler just got discarded.

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Dec 10, 2011

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goddamnedtwisto posted:

I can completely understand why people want to stay and fight. They feel (with some justification) that Labour belongs to them far more than it does to the briefcase wankers. Like Michael Bolton in Office Space - "Why should we leave? They're the ones that suck". It's not for me though, and even though I have an SCG MP (Apsana Begum) I'm not 100% sure I can turn out even to vote for her just because there's no way of marking my vote "in spite of, not because". If it came to it I'm not 100% sure at this point I could turn out to campaign for her in an alternative universe where the national party were good, just because it would involve interacting with the toxic shitbags of my CLP who have completely abandoned her.

I just wish we could somehow slip a history of the last 6 years back in time to 2015 Corbyn and Big John and tell them that they might as well be hung for a sheep as a lamb and should have actually gone full Stalinist on the right. They'd have probably still lost in 2019 - I genuinely don't think there was a path to victory for them even without the dead weight of the Blairfuckers dragging them down in that particular election - but at least that loss would have been a sacrifice for a greater good rather than just a punchline.

You should absolutely vote the person if your MP is SCG. If the Labour right get decimated while all the SCG hold on, it will send a stronger message even than complete electoral collapse: we want the left, we don't want the right. It will also leave the SCG stronger within the party and potentially in a position to push back.

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Dec 10, 2011

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I can't condemn them, if I worked for the DWP I'd be drinking heavily into the night.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

Bics out for the lavs.

Gillette? Sounds like a woman's razor. I use a Gill like a real man.

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Dec 10, 2011

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An authoritarian wedge that he is driving, in case he hadn't noticed.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Wes Streeting being wrong on every conceivable count other than us not literally living in the 1930s.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Barry Foster posted:

Never thought I'd die side by side with Mr Blobby

How about side by side with a oval office?

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Dec 10, 2011

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stev posted:

That's also the whole reason she goes by JK rather than Joanne.

That's specifically her agent's advice, I believe. The publishing industry is very sexist and has a belief that SFF books written by women won't sell as well - never mind that Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman sold millions - so they advise female authors to use their initials rather than their full name. CJ Cherryh and NK Jemisin are examples of the practice.

E:f,b (but I did go into more detail)

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Dec 10, 2011

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radmonger posted:

Tracy is more a less a unisex name in the US.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracy_Hickman

Yeah, but a lot of people don't know Hickman is a man and have assumed otherwise because he gets second billing.

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Dec 10, 2011

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ThomasPaine posted:

They might try but it isn't sustainable because sooner or later pandemic fatigue kicks in and people just start ignoring it en masse. Arguably it already has amongst lots of the population. I doubt lots of people would pay a bit of attention if the govt called a lockdown tomorrow, and even if they tried to criminally enforce measures - whether or not that's a good strategy in the first place - there comes a point where the sheer scale of it means you just can't arrest everyone.

Also Tories love making money, and lockdowns kill business. We all saw how much they dragged their heels the first time round.

There's also the passing fact that the Tories don't give a tuppenny gently caress about human life other than their own.

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Dec 10, 2011

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keep punching joe posted:

Greggs tried to pivot to healthy food, failed, and then moved on to instead creating vegan versions of its existing garbage pastries. Unrelated but I got caught up in the McDonald's analogy.

What I'm saying is, and here me out, vegan new Labour.

A pack of hateful cunts who are damaging to the causes they claim to espouse? Sounds right.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Ah the Water Margin. I have the entire series on my computer.
I was in love with Lin Chung (actor Atsuo Nakamura - he became a Green politician in Japan at one time*) when I was about 15 and wanted to be Hu San Yang (the girl with two swords).

*also in 47 Ronin and I'm sure he was in a film with David Bowie but it's not listed in his wiki.

That would be Merry Christmas, Mr Lawrence. Atsuo Nakamura wasn't in it though.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:


More than a few people think a PhD in maths is just learning your 3457 times table or something because almost noone outside academia even knows what a PhD is.

Also the wise man knows that you should never ask a PhD about their thesis, because they will tell you.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Brendan Rodgers posted:

I always wanted to be on Supermarket Sweep.

A guy I went to school with worked on Supermarket Sweep as one of the models. I haven't spoken to him since or for years before, so I can't tell you any stories - it's just one of those odd things you hear that sticks.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Guavanaut posted:

Yeah the main thing that I've heard from South Africa is "man gently caress the aids denialists in the 90s, they hosed things up for a generation" and "we still need to do more about the stigma and access to antiretrovirals" and no disagreement there.

On the other hand in 2014 the South Africans re-elected Jacob Zuma as President after he infamously said that you could prevent the transmission of HIV by showering after sex. Not that it's a bad habit, but come on.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Convex posted:

The country is literally so hosed that Kier Starmer is the better choice for PM.

To be fair, he is a better choice for PM than Boris. In the same way that Biden was a better choice for President than Trump. There are very few people who belong less in the position than either of them, but in both cases one of them is/was the incumbent.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

That's what the "lol" is for.

Boris and Covid are going to make him a hero who masterminded everything.

Yep. It's another 1997 where a bag of poo poo with a red rosette pinned on it would beat the Tories - and indeed, did (and will) - but the Labour right will take all the credit for it again.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Noxville posted:

The Tories won’t let Boris lead them into another election now that he’s poison, so it’s all academic. They’ll switch for someone who hasn’t had enough time to become truly toxic in the public’s eyes and then Stamer’s “I’m not Boris” stance won’t be such a vote winner any more

Boris won't go more than a year before a General Election, it is true. But the knives are definitely out now, and the Tories rarely knife someone prematurely. I think we're looking at Boris gone by April and a snap GE called for October - May 2023 at the latest. The big question is thus who gets the knife in. Is it going to be the sane business Tories like Sunak (note: "sane" does not exclude "evil") who want a return to normality, or the frothing fascists who don't think Boris is Brexiting hard enough because we haven't declared war on France?

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Dec 10, 2011

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fuctifino posted:

My experience under Labour was shortly after they introduced the work capability assessments and hired ATOS to conduct them. At the time, I was in a long waiting queue for a neurology appointment, and thought that the ATOS assessment was a genuine medical assessment and would help me get treatment. The assessor was in a white coat, and I genuinely thought I was seeing a doctor.

He took my walking stick away, telling me I didn't need it, and got me to walk to the other side of the room and back.

I was denied disability benefits at a time when my illness had pretty much crippled me, and I eventually ended up in a homeless hostel (and given a top floor room when I struggled to climb stairs). I was only given this accommodation as I'd appealed the DWP decision and was waiting for my tribunal date. If I had lost my tribunal, I would have been given 24 hours notice to leave the hostel.

I thankfully won the tribunal in this timeline, but it could have very easily gone the other way.

So, New Labour wanted to kill me. They tried to kill me. They drew up and implemented a system that is designed to kill people like me, and has since killed tens of thousands of people like me - some of those being friends of mine.

Labour also drew up the blueprint for what eventually became Universal Credit.

Just because the Tories sped up the implementation of the social murders, it doesn't mean that New Labour had any different plans for people like myself.

7 or 8 years ago I also had a "medical assessment" with one of the government's pet agencies after I hit a trigger point for absences due to sickness. It might have been Serco instead of Atos; I don't recall now, but they're all the same. The assessor was asking what the absences were for and we got to a bout of gastroenteritis that caused diarrhoea. She asked where that had come from, and I offhandedly said "From my bottom" - as you do when you're a human being. She immediately went full Hitler and told me that she could recommend that I be terminated. Now I wasn't worried; my department manager knew that most of my absences were due to crash hypos at work that he'd witnessed first hand, and had told me before I went that it was just a formality because I'd been off sick five times in a year. But if he hadn't known that, and if she'd reported back as she threatened, I could have lost my job.

So the Tories haven't just sped up the process of killing people who are unemployed because of long term illnesses by getting them off benefits. They've also tightened the regime so that people with LTIs who are employed can be more easily put out of work - and from there, denied benefits as well. It's full on eugenics.

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Dec 10, 2011

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bessantj posted:

There's a video of this guys routine in he thread so I thought I'd give it a look and I have no idea what anti-woke comedy is. He makes a joke about a vegan talking about being vegan a lot which, O.K. I guess.

You may or may not know that one of Nazi cartoonist Stonetoss's gateway jokes was a vegan not being sure he could win the World Insufferability Championship because his opponent was a cyclist. Now he isn't wrong about that - in fact it's a good cartoon for his purposes because it does it very well - but wherever I see it I feel like the comedian is testing the water to lead up to "... and those blacks, hey?"

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Dec 10, 2011

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Is anyone else old enough to remember free singles/eps (same size as singles but 33rpm instead of 45rpm) given out with Kerrang etc - really flimsy vinyl.

Not as vinyl, but I do remember the plastic flexidiscs.

Re: CEX - I don't know how things stand where all of you are, but round here you pretty much have to assume that anything they sell is stolen and/or has been sold for drug money.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Tesseraction posted:

This is why I never give a poo poo about the Christmas #1. It's always stupid because the people are stupid.

Except that time it was Killing in the Name as a meme, although the discourse around that was also stupid, because the people are stupid.

I somewhat appreciated the push to get Cliff Richard to number 1 for Christmas 2019 and New Year 2020, with the intent of making him the only artist to have a number 1 hit in eight different decades.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Zalakwe posted:

Like Brenda...

Nah, but I l believe they have number one singles in four or five consecutive decades.

Nope, they only had number 1s in the 70s, 80s and 90s.

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Dec 10, 2011

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

garlic is a faff

Stop roasting it in your car.

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Dec 10, 2011

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forkboy84 posted:

Council started installing new street lights about a decade ago & they cut down dramatically on light pollution. Which would be great if they hadn't stopped after doing one bloody street.

Council stopped spending money after 2010? Hmmm, I wonder why.

Merry Christmas to everyone who didn't vote for Tories or Brexit.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Julio Cruz posted:

suggest setting light to the parish council chair as a non-fossil fuel alternative

Parish council members generally are fossils.

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Dec 10, 2011

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Failed Imagineer posted:

Charles did think he was a tampon for a minute there

The royals certainly are stuck up cunts.

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