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So I've been running into a situation where I've been playing more 3 player games. Instead of 'playing down' with a deck I have, I'm thinking I should just build a deck to pull out if we're stuck with three players for an hour or so. Any thoughts on intentionally building a deck to avoid the gunslinger standoffs?
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pseudanonymous posted:It would help if you would tell us more about the sort of decks and environment you're playing within. But generally speaking, you will want to build some kind of combo deck that once it puts its pieces in place the game just ends regardless of how many players are in the game, but also does so in a rather innocuous way so as to avoid being threatening and drawing fire. But this is never not true of commander, even with 4-players. I guess I was looking for more of general thoughts on building a deck to play versus 2 others instead of 3 people. When you are playing against two other people, you run into more 'if I get A, then A gets me, and then B gets A' and I'm just trying to play cards while we wait for another game to break up instead of play kingmaker for 30 minutes. My decks that I normally play. My A tier https://www.moxfield.com/decks/6OIBxO93_kaoZRnhB1Tw5A https://www.moxfield.com/decks/BlAueIEJNkyR75aF9Izm4A https://www.moxfield.com/decks/ow77qiZngUma-Pq3FCaQUg My B tier https://www.moxfield.com/decks/LFRSL-3CbUyiKnvF0mF4PA https://www.moxfield.com/decks/vpj-DTmRFEuOSWLKkQ-csQ https://www.moxfield.com/decks/dUiUkZHmQUyHtggCeBdwcQ https://www.moxfield.com/decks/TCJYlsDPzUiYrhBSfpNK8A I think Vilis probably works just as well in 2 player, since I'm building toward comboing off the turn I play Vilis. I guess my concern there is it might take too long for a 3 player game. Hanna probably works just as well as it normally does, but I like to play that a few times a night and would prefer to keep it for a 4 player pod. Uril seems unfair, I pick one person to knock out at a time. I'm thinking a go-wide strategy might be more fun for a 3 player game. That way I can hold stuff up for the crack-back. I have the Green/White precon from midnight hunt and I want to tinker with that for my tokens/go-wide deck. My meta is total LGS, so 1 guy who spends 100 times more money and time on the format than anyone else, a couple of people trying to play at his level, and then a bunch of tuned precons. Played against two decks that had Tergrid in the 99 and it wasn't totally awful.
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pseudanonymous posted:Kykar spirit beats or Alelia faerie beats are both solid go-wide strategies that will do better in a 3 way, you can benefit from card draw effects like coastal piracy, or new and improved coastal piracy now with cycling, and you can run a solid control suite in either deck. Yeah I was thinking of Edric, Spymaster of Trest and just trying to hit people with little mana dorks to get some cards. I've always liked the idea of Kykar but Alelia has rubbed me the wrong way in Historic Brawl, and might have a higher budget requirement. I'm working on a Gargos deck and that might be a good idea to finish up but I feel like it'll have the same feelbads as the Uril deck does, I have one giant unstoppable thing and I pick who to knock out. A friend of mine does G/GR so I also don't want to step on their toes. I do like the idea of a trap deck for HBG ( that's what I call the spike ) that is nicer to other decks. I mindslaver'd him once and it was glorious. Also, thank you for the comments on my decks. I've always liked your feedback on some of the other stuff I've posted in the previous threads, so feel free to tune up any of my decks on Moxfield. I think Hanna is the most 'fleshed out' in my considering, and it's mostly $$$ that keeps me from finishing it up. Obviously an Academy Rector/Serra's Sanctum/Replenish/Intuition are all auto-includes, and I wish I bought them when I first started posting in this thread. They've all more than doubled in price 
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:Howdy , I haven't been an active poster, but I have really enjoyed reading the previous thread. My initial thought is to include Vilis/make Vilis your commander. I posted a Vilis deck just a few posts ago, and even without Exsanguinate/Torment of Hailfire I can pretty much close games out if I have Vilis and K'rrik/Skirge Familiar on the board. Nothing more fun than paying all of your life, drawing most of your deck, and discarding a ton of cards to kill everyone. Skirge Familiar works better since I can discard to create a black mana, rather than pay life to use a black mana, but your milage may vary.. My Vilis deck for reference. I don't have E/ToH even though they aren't that expensive, I just didn't want to do the same big black mana combo everyone else does. I have a couple of novel ways to win, using Psychosis Crawler to ping when I draw a card, or I can pay all my life and use Repay in Kind to get everyone down to 1, and then fire off a Gray Merchant or something. https://www.moxfield.com/decks/BlAueIEJNkyR75aF9Izm4A Grevlek fucked around with this message at 00:46 on Dec 28, 2021 |
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Toshimo posted:I would add Everflowing Chalice, Guardian Idol (relevant body for some decks), and probably the Medallions for mono-color decks. I also value Torque over Thought Vessel a lot because it turns on some removal. Dana from edhrec had a very recent article suggesting the medallions might make sense to include in two color decks as well. Food for thought
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Jan 2, 2022 20:58
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Toshimo posted:There certainly exist 2-color decks where they make sense, but it gets down to counting generic Mana costs. Same way that the Invasion familiars could be relevant to certain 3-color decks. I know at least one turd lurking this thread who has the bant one in Arcades and it works for more than nostalgia.
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Jan 3, 2022 01:34
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AQE posted:Well, the Bant one is a wall, so it fits in Arcades because it replaces itself. Grevlek posted:I know at least one turd lurking this thread who has the bant one in Arcades and it works for more than nostalgia. RE-Precons: the Aesi one is good fun and you can be as Timmy as you want with big giant creatures while still drawing cards and ramping.
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Railing Kill posted:Hahaha holy poo poo I ran into a moneychanger in my meager pile of cards I had from my childhood, and now there is an actual place to play it? Sign me up! I was thinking about the brief discussion of the planeshift familiars, and they might be really good for lower powered tables? They only have the color identity of their casting cost, so you might be able to fit 3 of them into a deck and get multiple medallion effects over a few bodies. It seems like a 3 color-shard deck might as well play at least the one that gives you two medallion effects on a body for 1/40th the cost of both medallions.
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Jan 3, 2022 21:54
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Heath posted:I am exaggerating for effect. But he just sits there and accrues counters easily and people tend to ignore him. He has become an exile target under Felisa now. If you have other ways to put counters on him (even Ikoria keyword counters, etc.) he has a built in sac outlet (only at upkeep, but still) and can provide a small army of Inklings. Yeah honestly dude you don't have to defend it, it seems like a really decent card in that deck  Have some sort of altar effect waiting for those inklings and baby you got a stew going.I'm really starting to think I'm gonna get like 10x of the planeshift familiars here. Looking over the top 20 commanders, they seem reasonable in Kenrith, Korvold, Alela, Chulane, Kess, and Arcades. They are absolute slam dunks in Arcades and Korvold, like you can get Korvold out turn 3 with something to sac ( the familiar ) without a penny spent on fast mana. Grevlek fucked around with this message at 23:16 on Jan 3, 2022 |
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Jan 3, 2022 23:11
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Toshimo posted:Correct. well never mind i'm much less hype on them now.
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Heath posted:They're still good! for sure but in my head i was getting 2 medallions on a body, now i'm getting 2 conditional medallions for a single reduction on a body. no need to get 500 from tcgplayer now
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Jan 4, 2022 00:35
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It feels like the CL familiars would have been better served being companions than partners.
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Jan 4, 2022 02:27
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Toshimo posted:Unironically, someone explain to me why everyone is trying to pretend like Toxrill is A Thing. Yeah it is very strange that a commander that everyone is ostensibly hyping because it can do a one sided landwipe with some setup is the hot new high cmc battlecruiser commander. you better believe I bought a kormus bell just in case tho
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Jan 16, 2022 21:25
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Toshimo posted:I'm but I keep seeing passing references to it being the new hot ticket everyone is either afraid of or wants to build around and that seems ludicrous to me as it's a massively overcosted durdle. 100 percent that's what it is. I have something like that in Hanna, and have never triggered it even once. An anthem + enchanted evening + opalescence would be a one sided land wipe leaving me with like, several 1/1s and a few beefier enchantments. The one time I got enchanted evening and opalescence on the board, mostly out of spite, still left me with 2 other players with flying dragon boards and a chonky uril and I had no hope of winning, just dragged out the game for the other two players. I guess toxrill is better in the sense that if you've got your setup, when it hits the board you will get your wipe assuming it makes it to the end step. Good players probably will treat toxrill like any other KOS commander and hold up a counter or a removal or something. Bad players will crumble to the fact that they don't have any interaction, didn't plan for what they would do when the 7 cmc commander came out, and play a land, pass, and then have the land die at the end of their turn. I still want to do my hanna version of it in a real game, but i never get all 3 pieces for the critical mass combo and i dont think i'd win even if i did it.
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Jan 16, 2022 22:00
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Heath posted:Enchanted Evening + Cleansing Meditation is a better, easier version of this. hmm cleansing meditation never came up in my deck building process... must be a reserve list card let's check the price... a dollar fifty.... hello tcgplayer one cleansing meditation plz. do i need to meet threshold before i cast the spell?
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Jan 16, 2022 22:09
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Aranan posted:Toxrill is a generic dimir deck (so baseline is already solid) which means it has a pretty good turbo adnaus/thoracle plan. It also allows you to run the dramatic scepter combo with Toxrill being the outlet. Actually casting and swinging with Toxrill is Plan C or D at absolute best, but that's still a decent fallback case because it eats hatebears alive, gives you card advantage, and is a decent clock. 100 percent the hype around Toxrill is Urborg + Kormus Bell + Toxrill even if that isn't optimal.
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Jan 17, 2022 04:34
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My formal schooling is in economics, not wizardry unfortunately. Let's say Toxrill is the good who's utility we are interested in. We can measure impacts on complementary* goods to see if there is a connection to our good of interest. I'm hypothesizing that Kormus Bell is a complimentary good for Toxrill. If Toxrill has a high demand, demand will rise for complimentary goods. Since Kormus Bell is not being reprinted, its supply is static or decreasing, and an increase in demand, would increase price, ceteris paribus (closest I get to casting a spell in my daily life). Let's see if there is any noticable price increase for Kormus Bell, that might indicate an increase in demand.   Now can I conclude with certainty that the 1000% price increase is related to Toxrill? *thanks AQE Grevlek fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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Infinite Karma posted:Funny enough, Kormus Bell + Urborg is no color identity, so it could also go in Elesh Norn or something just as easily. Elesh Norn appears to be the second most frequent commander according to EDHrec. I was going to include that but 
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Jan 17, 2022 06:01
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don't make me point at the chart again *taps in kormus bell*
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Jan 17, 2022 19:05
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Railing Kill posted:Listen, as long as you have win cons and actually try to win, then fine. But your pillowfort is probably downright aggro compared to whatever disgusting, unholy getting everyone to scoop in disgust is a type of win con
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Jan 17, 2022 19:14
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The Shortest Path posted:Please do not encourage Tergrid players actually do not like Tergrid as a commander, as litigated several pages ago I think that's the only deck I'd actually ask someone to play something else or I'd excuse myself from the pod.
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Jan 17, 2022 19:22
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sheldon casual table = 4 players with tergrid in the commandzone, no removal
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Jan 20, 2022 23:11
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Batterypowered7 posted:Just unban Lutri. Who gives a poo poo if it's a free include in any URx deck? it's not even like a trapcard, you know its there. Especially after the additional companion tax thing.
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Jan 21, 2022 00:07
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Toshimo posted:Tithe is $30 and continues to rise. gently caress the Reserved List. Burn it all down. It seems like banning the reserve list would do a better job of indicating people don't need OG duals than just writing articles on your blog about playing tapped gainlands.
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Jan 21, 2022 02:37
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Bust Rodd posted:This is why I love K’rrik, it’s a mono-b commander who doesn’t give a gently caress what their opponents are doing, and is too busy casting 40 of their own spells instead of making you discard your bullishit You got a list? I'm running a Vilis deck, but I think people are getting bored of me fishing thru my deck to find a finisher and it'd be nice to have some cards to hotswap into a K'rrik deck.
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Jan 21, 2022 03:35
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Heath posted:The Internet seems to agree with the above but I feel like it is worded stupid. It's very much an edge case in any situation. If I was playing Norin and someone stifled him I'd probably just scoop and tell them to kiss my rear end tbh yeah if you are out here Stifling the incredibly overpowered Norin the Wary decks, I probably wont play with you
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Jan 27, 2022 01:28
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lmao @ seb pulling out "DEBATE ME" in the comments
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Feb 8, 2022 20:39
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is what Seb said/did so egregious I can purchase a Terese Nielsen playmat?
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Infinite Karma posted:Seb drove a few hundred miles to join an anti-vaxx white supremacist trucker convoy in Ottowa, where "protesters" were flying nazi flags, and posted about it on his social media, and is currently doubling and tripling down on that decision i totally understand it is very chud-brained, just not sure if it's chud-brained enough I can get away with getting a Hanna playmat
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Feb 9, 2022 01:52
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i mean i don't know the guy, but i bet if you get an unsigned one and see him at a convention in the future he'd sign it
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maybe i'm just a baby player but i just use the smaller deck only boxes, and then my own backpack that i bring anywhere anyway. I can't find any of my preferred boxes, I only have about 10 or so, but I got the Dragon Shield Gaming Strongboxes for a lil less than :tenbux: a piece I wish they still made these, apparently they are out of print and going for like 40 bucks on ebay. 
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Mar 15, 2022 22:10
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Batterypowered7 posted:I had these bookmarked (they were like $2 a piece), but I guess they're out now: https://www.dacardworld.com/supplies/bcw-clear-deck-keeper you just broke my heart batterypowered7
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Bust Rodd posted:Does anyone else view their Commander decks like characters in an RPG? My main draw to commander as a format and as a deckbuilding puzzle is the idea of having a persistent character who levels up over time to become an epic badass, like in Dungeons & Dragons or Diablo III. My commnader is like the basic character, and then the spells in the deck are HER spells, and the creatures in the deck are HER creatures, the equipment is composed of HER personal magic items, etc. The fun of the game is from taking your extremely limited "inventory" of 100 slots and crafting a character that does everything it wants to do, and over time a particular commander can and will direct you towards certain cards or playstayles that perfectly meet both your interests AND the Commanders interests. I kind of think like that yeah
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Bust Rodd posted:I think it also bears mentioning that the overlap between “people who know what Phyrexia is” and “people who are anti-trans” is honestly pretty small in the grand scheme of things, so really the only people who might get the “wrong message” are the people who would be the most likely to understand what they were going for anyway. I doubt their is some mythical conservative, anti-trans magic player who sees this flyer and goes “a ha, I knew it! The TRANS agenda, that is EXACTLY how they spread it!” and if someone is literally that stupid then no one has to care what they think, IMO. I guess you haven't seen thr newest RemyMTG video then
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Mar 26, 2022 19:00
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Heath posted:Is this what power creep does to people, where they won't even get out of bed for a creature in the command zone that doesn't just either win the game outright or at least lock everybody else out of the game for seven Mana? It's not difficult at all to get 7 (or more) Mana pretty early on in Commander. That's hardly a prohibitive cost. The cure for power creep, in my opinion, is playing worse decks. The deck I'm having the most fun with right now is a Kangee Sky Warden deck with a Mox Field price of <$30. I include tap lands and 3/4 mana cmc ramp rocks, and generally set the tempo of the game by poking everyone at the table with little flyers. It's very rewarding building a very tuned/optimized deck on a shoestring budget/using your bulk rares and uncommons.
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Heath posted:Hello, Mercenaries what
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Toshimo posted:Elaine is right and throws out a ton of points I've been hammering at for years. Absolute banger thread. Good discussion starters Bust! Framboise posted:The Discourse (TM) she explains is a big reason why casual EDH (in the context of "casual" meaning anything goes, rule 0 conversation required or someone will be very mad) doesn't appeal much to me. You could be running a deck that you think is completely tame, but you'll still get someone popping their mouth off at you for interacting with them. I think I agree with this and the OP of the tweet. I'm probably fairly representative of some chunk of the commander playerbase, a 30-something who played as a youth and enjoyed watching commander content on the internet and returned to the game. I never liked competitive formats, got stomped by mono-blue mill every Friday night in the 90's, and just like playing with the goofy cards I've collected. I don't want to play "cEDH" since I don't have the budget for it, nor the skills to be super competitive. I know 2 people who play Magic, but I don't have my own pod, and can really only ever wrangle one of the two people I know to go to the LGS to play with. There are two stores I bounce between, but there is one that I go to the vast majority of the time. The LGS situation kind of sucks. About half of the people that show up you know or recognize, and the other half are totally random. Pods tend to form around arrival times, and you basically never leave your pod when your game ends, because the likelihood of another pod ending at that same time is very low, and you dont want to not play so you just sit with the same 3 other people all night. The people you do tend to recognize from multiple visits, are rarely memorable for good reasons. There is one guy, we'll call him Hullbreacher Guy (HBG). HBG is always the loudest person in the store, he's always got the most expensive, spikiest deck, and he's always complaining. "WHY DID YOU TARGET ME?!" "I'M NOT THE THREAT!" "GODDD!! AREUGUGU" There isn't really a pre-game conversation from anyone, unless you are a fresh-faced 19 year old. If you play with HBG, it's assumed you are playing very incredibly spikey commander, but it 'isn't' cedh and he can complain when you combo-off or target him. Personally, I don't want to play cEDH, but just being in this thread causes you to pick stuff up so you build your deck to do something. My Hanna deck, the one I introduced in the last thread and was told it'd be a 'six if built optimally' is getting a reputation of being a "Stax Control" deck, because Hushbringer, 2x Rule of Law effects, and 3x counterspells are in it. Someone was upset that I played Solemnity, as a part of my 'dont die pillowfort' package, because being unable to put counters on his cards meant he couldn't play the game I guess. I don't really have a point here other than to echo some existing thoughts. Playing at the LGS is a crapshoot. Rule 0/pre-game conversations don't really apply at that level, and the RC sucks because they are not taking that into account. I would 100 percent play Fram's RPdh format, but even then I know people are gonna be super salty about cards doing stuff. Hell, my Hanna deck is a RPdh deck, I'm playing as Hanna and her failed attempt at stopping the Phyrexian invasion the way she would have!!!
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Heath posted:Not to interrupt Discourse but there's a card that has been burning in the back of my brain for the pure jank potential and I want to get some feedback on it. That card is First thought is Rograkh/Ardenn. You could but some big dopey artifacts in there, equip for free, and whallop with the rograkh.
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Batterypowered7 posted:Double Post: these aren't exactly the ones I was talking about but I'm willing to drop 20 bucks on a few
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Mono black Endrek Sahr thrulls/slivers/shapeshifters as a slightly different sacrifice big mana deck
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