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Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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U can also keep ur butter fresh by keeping in a regular butter dish & simply eating it quicker

Happy new year, thread

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Borrovan
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Hey Siri play the worst cover of love me I'm a liberal

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Comrade Fakename posted:

I used to pirate loads of music back in the day. Now, I just have a subscription to Spotify because it's easy to use and has almost anything I'd want available. When piracy offers a better service than paying, I don't feel guilty about it.
This is true again wrt film/tv. Install Plex on your TV, torrent all your poo poo on your PC, no more loving around trying to work out which platform you need to use to watch [x].

Borrovan
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I abandoned piracy when it just became very slightly easier to be able to stream legally straight from my phone to my Chromecast (on my old non-smart telly). Literally, just making it so I didn't have to stand up & walk 3 paces to my computer was all it took to make me put my hand in my pocket, it was never about the money.

Then the legal services made it so I have to spend 5 minutes messing around on my phone just to find out which bloody service to use, whilst the pirates were just like "lol y u need phone", so here we are. Free market in action.

Buy quite a bit of music on bandcamp these days, it's good. Also have a streaming service, honestly it still irks me that I don't get to own albums on it though, but pirating lesser-known music is hard & I'm not paying like £50 a week for a few new albums at commercial prices so streaming it is :(

Borrovan
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Guavanaut posted:

I would if all the "3D printed house!" ideas didn't look like venture capital scams, over-complicated ways of doing something that can already be done by calling a brickie, or like they'd fall over in a stiff breeze.
Bullshit do they :colbert:
(it's this, this is the bullshit part of that sentence)

Borrovan
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There are pretty much always legitimate reasons for, in particular, black people to be hesitant to do literally anything that the state says is a good idea. Also the medical profession, which has an extensive & well-known history of ignoring things affecting black people.

It's easy to write off the unvaccinated as conspiracy nutters, but that's largely because the relatively small number of (white middle-class far right) antivax mental cases (a)won't shut up about it, and (b)get signal boosted by the media, who simultaneously ignore all the black and Pakistani voices that, in reality, comprise the least vaccinated demographics.

Yes I am aware of the irony of this wrt Covid in particular, that doesn't mean that some degree of hesitancy in those demographics isn't perfectly reasonable. The reason I'm making this point is because framing the issue as sensible vaccinated people vs far right conspiracy nutters is unhelpful, when in reality the nutters are pretty inconsequential compared to demographics that actually have a reasonable basis to be hesitant, are disproportionately affected by Covid anyway, and also disproportionately likely to live in inner cities and work jobs that put them at even greater risk.

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jan 6, 2022

Borrovan
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The Question IRL posted:

Simple Solution: Pick Netflix/Prime Video/ Disney+. Try it out for a month to see if you like it.
Complex solution: Build your own media server and stream the contents to your TV. Here is a multiple step by step guide on how to do so....
I thought most of the :filez: advocates were saying to pirate poo poo because it's easier. I certainly was. I liked just having all the stuff I wanted to watch on Netflix or iplayer, but now it's a big hassle so it's back to piracy.

ngl though I did get a lol out of the immediate response to me saying that being

Total Meatlove posted:

With a day's worth of effort, you can build this for about £40 and £5-10/month ongoing (VPN, Usenet) and have an entirely automated, secure, homebrew streaming system.
(no offence Meatlove, I totally get it, it just made me laugh)

Borrovan
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ThomasPaine posted:

AThat said I do pretty much agree that most people refusing the vaccine today are doing so for ideological reasons. Nonetheless I really don't think sneery dismissiveness is the right angle here, if anything it's counterproductive because it's easy for your conspiracist weirdoes to legitimise their grievances by playing the victim to their impressionable audiences.
Is this actually true though? According to ONS, black and Pakistani people are by far the least likely to be vaccinated. You'd have to adjust this for population to get absolute numbers, but imo the way to get the numbers up would be a tailored response to address the concerns of those groups.

Stuff like black women being four times more likely to die in childbirth & twice as likely to have stillbirths basically seems to be because the medical profession as a whole doesn't give much of a gently caress about black women so nobody really looks into it, no poo poo people are hesitant to get vaccinated imo.

Borrovan
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Barry Foster posted:

I don't trust the government at all, about anything, including covid.

I do trust the NHS.
Me too but

Borrovan posted:

Stuff like black women being four times more likely to die in childbirth & twice as likely to have stillbirths basically seems to be because the medical profession as a whole doesn't give much of a gently caress about black women so nobody really looks into it,
am white.

Borrovan
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Failed Imagineer posted:

Several hundred years from now, Unionists will build a COVID hospital every year and then burn it on the 12th but will not be able to explain why
Several hundred years from now, Unionists will still be called "Unionists" but will not be able to explain why

Borrovan
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Pistol_Pete posted:

So much wishful thinking in the comments below that article lol.

Guardian Picks posted:

Hmm you are absolutely right this article speaks to me on every level

More Comments (like, all of them) posted:

lmao gently caress off you absolute banana

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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Carefully picking out what shows you want to watch on which platforms & switching platforms regularly sure sounds like a lot of work to still only watch mostly shite & not be able to share the experience of chatting about the new stuff with your friends

For the record, I actually do have both Netflix & Prime (well, my girlfriend does, which means I do), I just use Plex cuz it's easier, so it's beyond me why people who know how to torrent would pay for the privilege of having to do more work to get less

e: oh, there was another page

Borrovan
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:hmmyes: I also enjoy strongman

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runwiled posted:

As someone who swims in these waters I want to emphasise that this isn't hyperbole. There's a lot of talented but naive artists who do commission work that severely undervalue their work and it drives down the market prices considerably. Most people balk at the idea of paying what a piece is actually worth and will simply go elsewhere. The Big Spenders of the furry commissioning world either want someone with a very established reputation and appropriate talent if they're looking for a new way to spend or else are already in comfortable client / artist relationships already and don't feel the need to spend their money elsewhere.

Similarly, companies that exist outside of the arts spheres also critically undervalue art. It's not a career you take up if you want to make mad bank. It's a grind and there's a reason the, "Starving Artist," stereotype exists.
There's probably an essay in this explaining the labour theory of value in terms of furry porn if anyone feels like writing it

...
nobody?

Borrovan
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NotJustANumber99 posted:

Try working with someone who is a lazy good for nothing and means you have to do all the work and still maintain the view that hard work shouldnt pay. or a smoker.
:hmmyes: Smokers should earn more. A few structured five minute breaks per day is far more productive than spending the whole day chatting to people.

Borrovan
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Either that or allow everyone to have all these little breaks every day.
Yeah it's this.

When I was in legal practice I tried quitting for a bit, I still went & sat in the park across the road & had a cold drink at 10:00 & 15:00. But one time a non-smoker came down with me & got shouted at by the (smoker) boss for skiving lmao

I genuinely do think that a few short structured breaks across the day are more productive btw, I was only half-trolling NJAN99's obvious bait. Office work, but it was really noticeable in my old job that the smokers took breaks but actually worked when we were at our desks, whereas most of everyone else just sort of half-arsed it all day.

Borrovan
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John Lewis is good, if there's ever a problem they just sort it out no questions asked & pay the postage for returns. Been buying all of my baby paraphernalia there, it usually isn't even any more expensive than like Amazon or w/e (like-for-like)

Borrovan
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BalloonFish posted:

Not just a profit-sharing scheme - the John Lewis Partnership is fully employee-owned so as well as an annual dividend there's an amount of internal democracy, since the workers are also the shareholders. They have a series of holiday centres around the UK which partners can stay at for ridiculously cheap prices, and include some of the farms that provide their produce in the partnership.

IIRC there's been some ladder-pulling in recent years, with JLP partners who have enjoyed decades of mutual benefits voting to either decrease benefits for newer members or to make increasing use of agency and temp workers who are therefore not partners and don't get the benefits while protecting the partners' dividend.
When I worked for one of these, almost everyone was a minimum wage agency worker, only a handful of partners in the entire business. Also I'm told that at the offices &c they literally have separate entrances & lifts for "senior partners", which is mostly just an aesthetic objection but it directly contradicts their corporate propaganda. The nicer holiday places & whatnot are also reserved for "senior partners" (& the regular ones aren't much good either if you're earning £8 an hour, JL pay absolute poo poo & keep trotting out the "but look at all the discounts you get [on things that nobody earning their lovely wages can afford even with the discount]", & people believe it :jerkbag:)

They're better than most employers in the same way that Labour is better than the Tories - i.e., they pay lip service to workers' rights but in reality it's just branding

Borrovan
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"is being urged to"
"the Telegraph understands"

I think this guy's been down too long in the midnight sea :rimshot:

(I'd join though if he took the SCG & the good part of the membership, but it'd be a bad idea imo. Should have done it last year when the dagger was still being twisted, there's no momentum (:rimshot:) now)

Borrovan
Aug 15, 2013

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A left-UKIP would need a left wing Labour Party to work

Starmer's Labour would just do the opposite of what a left wing party said and show off to the electorate how sensible and grown up they are for it

Borrovan
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The reason we had a notionally left wing party in the first place is because it grew from the mass engagement of the working class

You need to do it that way round, mass engagement -> party, not party -> mass engagement. Not sure that's ever worked anywhere (for the left I mean, the right loving love unifying around a strong authority figure)

How to get the mass engagement is anyone's guess.

Borrovan
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keep punching joe posted:

The best hope for the English (and therefore British) left right now is if Andy Burnham wins a byelection and ousts Starmer before the next GE. And even then Burnham is poo poo but at least he seems to be able to connect to normal human beings.
Yeah Burnham's smart enough to know that he needs the left's support to win so imo he's basically the best viable option atm

Which is a poo poo situation to be in, but here we are

Borrovan
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raising a lot of questions already answered by &c

Borrovan
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The cost is the Actually Good MPs & members that Labour has no longer having a voice, it's a real cost.

It'd be easier to take that argument to a "better things aren't possible" centrist conclusion, but basically from where I'm sitting it looks like using Labour as a vehicle for social change is exactly as implausible as using a new left wing party as a vehicle for social change, either are still noble goals, & whilst I guess it makes sense for people in the latter camp to get aggro with people in the former camp since they explicitly see them as an obstacle, considering the latter camp's path relies on the every individual leftist individually spontaneously getting on board with the same plan, & having met leftists, it doesn't seem like a very productive use of energy. As soon as there's a viable alternative, sure, I'm right on board, but until then I'm sticking with the implausible option that doesn't come at a significant cost (whilst also organising elsewhere in the hope that something viable does emerge)

Borrovan
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30-something MPs is a voice

e: also we all know that Starmer's gonna crash and burn at some point, none of us know what's gonna come after, likely there'll be battles to be fought - & likely the left will lose, but it's still a battle worth fighting

Borrovan fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Jan 11, 2022

Borrovan
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e: ^^^they have consistently voted against bad legislation before :shrug:

Julio Cruz posted:

well right now Corbyn and co are sitting on the back benches and I literally can't remember the last time any of them got any opportunity to use their "voice"
Are you seriously suggesting that 30-odd socialist MPs is not a worthwhile thing to have, don't answer that it's rhetorical

Comrade Fakename posted:

I really don’t want to engage with you about this since you get so antagonistic and unpleasant about it,
Yeah basically my take is that this is a weird thing to get so aggro about, nobody knows for sure what the best option is, there are no easy answers here, but we're not socialists because it's easy

Honestly I find it pretty ironic that most of the hostility comes from the people who's preferred option necessarily requires left unity

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Borrovan
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Mega Comrade posted:

Can you be more specific? You just upset shes in Keir's cabinet at all? Or has she done something else?
icr exactly what it was but early in Starmer's tenure there was a significant NEC vote for some rule change that was very much a factional left vs right thing, with her vote the left would have won, but she flipped & shivved us

Then the right predicatbly shivved her straight back (again, icr exactly how, think it was when Starmer tried to sack her?), the left-PLP made various statements supporting her & essentially welcoming her back as an ally with a big asterisk next to her name, it looks like she probably wouldn't be dumb enough to trust the right again but nobody on the left who's paying attention is gonna trust her anymore

Borrovan
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keep punching joe posted:

Great now the woke taliban are so emboldened by taking down statues of slavers, they want to move on to statues of nonces. Where next for cancel culture?
Five quid says it's a right wing culture warrior who will later say "wot I thought taking down statues was legal now"

the statue nonce & the nonce statue

Barry Foster posted:

Go check out the biosphere collapse thread in CSPAM lol

because that, uh, is not exactly guaranteed
There's been tonnes of mass extinction events before, this one's just faster :colbert:

ThomasPaine posted:

I find it comforting to think that, for all our doomering about the world being in danger because of politics and climate change and killer viruses etc, it really isn't. We are, but the world will adapt and will get on just as it ever did. New species will evolve and crawl around the crumbling remains of our civilisation, the sun will rise, the waves will crash into the shores, nature will heal, and all of humanity will be a tiny footnote in the history of the earth.
:emptyquote:

Borrovan
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NotJustANumber99 posted:

I dunno was she 17 when she was in England? Who knows what the age of consent is on a private paedo island, you'd imagine they'd set it quite low.
Not as low as the bar

that u just lowered

with ur post

Borrovan
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OwlFancier posted:

Again I think the queen literally can, at least by default, because she isn't allowed to be arrested.
Half-remembering from undergrad, but: it's complicated. In theory, the Crown as Monarch is immune, but the Queen as an individual is not. In reality: lmao consequences

Borrovan
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e: ^^^that Patel "leak" def sounded like "hey guys let's all come together to agree how reasonable and statespersonlike I am" to me :shrug:

keep punching joe posted:

As long as she's the monarch she is covered by Crown immunity in UK, and Sovereign immunity worldwide.
Constitutional theorists & jurists disagree. Basically (iirc), all the case law we have on Crown immunity proceeds on the assumption that the question is whether it applies to the Crown as an Office (so most of it is specifically talking about "persons acting in the service of the Crown" or some such), we don't have anything on the monarch as an individual. Modern case law is mostly decided as a matter of the interpretation of statutes (i.e., does an Act say "this applies to the Crown" or not), but including this in statutes is a modern trend, & even in the 19th century all but the most conservative theorists thought that Crown immunity didn't mean that the monarch can just go around doing crimes (which is a whole can of worms considering the Crown is the fount of justice). Seem to remember there's also a lot of ambiguity wrt Crown immunity & common law offences (the hard-and-fast rules relate to statutes (and also aren't very hard-or-fast)).

As with most things in constitutional law, it's all very theoretical & very complicated, basically. Luckily it'll never become important, because no copper will ever try to nick 'er maj.

Borrovan
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Guavanaut posted:

Isn't there some precedent from when the king did a bunch of war crimes and then got impeached and tried and then his head fell off repeatedly, or did everyone just pretend that didn't happen?
:shrug: didn't come up on my UG course, literally no idea if that even counts as precedent

Wikipedia's got this quote from some guy I never heard of that's pretty much the same as (if a bit broader than) the 19th century poo poo I remember though: "[the Court proposed that] the King of England was not a person, but an office whose every occupant was entrusted with a limited power to govern 'by and according to the laws of the land and not otherwise'."

e: 1653 is when the Protectorate was established, four years after killing Charlie. That's only just two-thirds of a Brexit, smdh

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Borrovan
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Guavanaut posted:

Interesting stuff
Yeah looking into it that Australian article looks to represent the general view over here. Also "impeachment" is generally regarded to not be a thing here anymore anyway.

OwlFancier posted:

I call the high speed legislator an Article Accelerator.
lmfao this was an excellent bit, it started off well but then :kiss:

Borrovan
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fuctifino posted:

The hammer guy is a guy called David Chick, and he's a Tommy Robinson supporting far-right twat

Borrovan posted:

Five quid says it's a right wing culture warrior who will later say "wot I thought taking down statues was legal now"
Pay up, world at large :smug:

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smellmycheese posted:

Deranged twat he may be but he did actually succeed in getting the Today programme to have a debate about whether the main entrance to their studios should have a paedophile’s statue of an old man fondling a naked boy directly above it
I mean, lol, but honestly I'm not comfortable with it:

wrt (e.g.) the Colston statue, any fucker that defends that thing is a loving racist and can get to gently caress. Shifting the discourse to statues by a bad person turns it round to a whole separation of the art from the artist thing, making it easier for people to chin-strokingly conclude that destroying statues is bad, and then generalise that (without critical thought) to statues that very definitely should be hosed off.

Sincerely don't give a gently caress about the nonce statue, honestly you'd hope given recent events that the BBC of all people would have quietly moved it, but I predict we're gonna hear a lot of "oh you oppose literally glorifying slavery yet you own a Mayhem CD, hypocrite much :smug:" from liberals in the near future

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keep punching joe posted:

My favourite flat earth theory is that the earth's disc is traveling constantly upwards in space (like an elevator) which causes the effect of gravity.
(& endlessly accelerating at a constant rate, which is why things accelerate when they fall)

My favourite is the corollary to this, when you ask "if there's no gravity, how come tides &c": there are such things as gravitational forces, which exist in other celestial bodies & cause the tides & things that you can see, but just not on earth, because that wouldn't make any sense if the earth is flat, which it is

Borrovan
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ThomasPaine posted:

I don't understand flat earth people, what is the motive? Who cares? To what nefarious ends would we be being lied to? Why are you going to such lengths to make this theory a thing despite the mountain of evidence against it? Why is this even a thing? What's the best case endgame? Ok so you proved the world is flat, what of it? How does that make a difference to anything in most people's lives? What are you hoping to achieve?

My partner gets a real kick out of flat earthed poo poo but I find it incredibly boring because it feels like the laziest conspiracy theory for the sake of conspiracy theory poo poo, at least QAnoners and 9/11 truthers and, hell, even people saying Avril Lavigne was replaced are trying to say something about systems of power and control and class.
A friend once got a flat earther he knows on speakerphone with a bunch of us for an impromptu AMA. In his case, it basically comes from: if you take a really weirdly literal approach to a really weirdly obtuse interpretation of a few passages of the old testament, the earth is flat. So, start your way from that fundamental axiom & you can reason your way to a bunch of ridiculous nonsense that must be true because otherwise it wouldn't make sense for the world to be flat. That's literally it.

e: here's a thing, you do genuinely have to interpret all of the passages in a really bizarre way & then insist that they are absolutely literally true despite being obvious literary devices, but fundies gonna fund

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OwlFancier posted:

I mean, I feel like "either there is a big conspiracy about how gravity, satellites, space photography, air travel, and timezones work, or the earth is just actually round" is a pretty simple proof?

Timezones especially you can just ask an american what the sun is doing and either *~they~* are paying zillions of people to pretend to be american on the internet just to make you think timezones are real, or they are just real.
Or the sun is a big rotating spotlight that only illuminates part of the (flat) earth at a time, did you think of that one smartypants?!?!

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Right but if I were to ask you, specifically, to prove the earth was round how would you do it? As in with an experiment that could be done by you and maybe one other helper and with only tools available to a layperson?

NotJustANumber99 posted:

I would simply google "picture of earth from space"
Trouble is they've got a smartypants "no u prove a negative" answer for literally all of it. The pictures are hoaxes, obviously. Ever been on a boat & seen stuff disappear beneath the horizon? Yeah that's because of a specific optical illusion. Flown into another time zone? Spotlight sun. You always end up back at Owlfancier's Razor: either a zillion things that there is literally no evidence for for are true, or exactly one thing that there is a boatload of evidence for is.

You can't persuade anyone any of this poo poo anyway, because it's all working backwards from an axiomatic belief.

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e: ^^^^truth

NotJustANumber99 posted:

The world is round because otherwise the classiest piece of furniture ever wouldn't be accurate.


Bottles of Martini, Jaeger & what looks like Shackleton (which fair play is a decent enough mid-range blend) kind of undermine this

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Rustybear posted:

No, next question.
Next week: "Has the Spectator finally disproven Betteridge's law of headlines?"

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