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uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Edmond Dantes posted:

https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1497217148267253760

Kinda hard to make out, but it sounds like the usual "don't join NATO"?

The whole line of "there will be vague military/political/technical consequences if Finland joins NATO" has been their official line as far as I can remember. Now they just cannot actually do anything right now since they are maxed out in Ukraine so this seems more like an argument for NATO.

Hearing rumors that a lot of Finnish politicians have done a complete 180 on NATO membership in the last 36 hours.

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uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Holy poo poo could they possibly be dumb enough to invade Finland *twice*

My 2 kilometer drive was a bit of a struggle due to heavy snow today so I think they'll have to wait until april at least. :unsmith:

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

There Bias Two posted:

What makes you think they care?

Dollars are going to be in short supply soon I imagine.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Yureina posted:

I feel like I've seen these arguments a hundred times in the last few days. At this point it doesn't matter who did what to whom decades ago, because none of it justifies what Putin has done with this invasion. He made that decision. Every other point is moot as far as I am concerned.

This is like trying to do marriage counseling after the other party just knifed their spouse.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Finnish support for NATO membership has exceeded 50% according to a fresh poll. This is the first time in history we are seeing numbers anything like this.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

kaaj posted:

A Russian friend told me that

> (Russian) Government promised to provide tax break for 3 years for IT companies, not to call for army service IT specialists and mortgage benefits for them.

It made us wonder how many IT specialists left / will leave the country. Anybody who has a chance of leaving and would decide to stay would really be making a massive gamble.

Working in Finnish/Euro IT it really does feel that every even half competent Russian has come over the fence and are not returning any time soon.

One new Russian employee had her self-introduction last Friday and she seemed just to about to cry. :sigh:

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008


I have been thinking of this part a lot lately.

uncleTomOfFinland fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Mar 5, 2022

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Crimea is a done deal, the only reason not to recognise it as part of Russia is so that it can be used as a carrot in the peace negotiations.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

theghostpt posted:

Amend the constitution in regards to what exactly?

Probably getting rid of the incredibly dumb amendments that require Ukraine to apply for EU and NATO membership by 2023.

quote:

The "you can't belong to any bloc" though is a complete violation of sovereignty and Russia can go gently caress itself trying to tell other countries what agreements they can be in, especially with this clownshoes military.
This is what Finland pretty much agreed to after WW2 and it wasn't exactly the worst thing ever.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008


I believe the pounding should be happening in the blurred part.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

MikeC posted:

Is there a reason why the Europeans are so averse to nuclear power? In Ontario Canada, nuclear makes up well over half our energy with Hydro making up another quarter.

Finland has been quite pro-nuclear but..

The new Olkiluoto 3 plant built by Areva :france:? 12 years late and 400% over budget
The new Hanhikivi plant ordered from Rosatom? :suicide:

uncleTomOfFinland fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Mar 8, 2022

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Drone_Fragger posted:

The issue is market liberalism. All the countries sold their domestic nuclear design and architecture work, And demolished whatever infrastructure was developed for building reactors in like, the late 80s. The UK developed a bunch of reactors, but now we're having to buy in French built versions of Chinese reactors based on designs by America. It's no wonder poo poo is going overbudget and overtime.

One issue here is that getting new permits for reactors is a political nightmare (thanks greens!) and they are based on the amount of reactors and not on the amount of energy produced. The result of course is that they end up ordering the biggest and the most complicated one (Olkiluoto 3) there is when no-one has been building even small ones for quite a while.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

with a rebel yell she QQd posted:

Ukrainian dude got into a fistfight at a gas station, because the Hungarian painted a white Z on his car.

:popeye: that's quite a bold move in Europe outside Russia. I imagine that would be the surest way to get every window of your car smashed in.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Has anyone mentioned having Ukraine doing an arrangement like EFTA (or joining EFTA itself)? It could be used to exclude some provisions Russians find objectionable and maybe even save face a little since Ukraine would not be literally joining the EU.

EDIT: Also maybe some kind of bilateral defense treaty in place of NATO too.

uncleTomOfFinland fucked around with this message at 16:47 on Mar 13, 2022

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008


This is pretty great actually, if I was a Russian and didn't know what the sign said I'd definitely would be looking that up and paying much closer attention.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Captain Kosmos posted:

There was talk about Russians not using camo or covers. I guess this kinda counts? Even though it makes it easier to spot them.
Before and after pictures of bunch trucks and grads taken from drone.
https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1504372799351234565?s=20&t=IslUsaMuU0Ykh1sdopcoHQ

Looks like they have started to cut down the trees.

The one time they should have considered hanging some logs from their trucks and they didnt do that.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Ola posted:

I could understand if he would want to commit suicide, but what would be the motive for killing him? Maybe he was caught trying to escape?

If the 1930s is anything to go by being from the wrong country is enough to get you killed once things get paranoid enough. A lot of Finnish communists who fled to the USSR during/after the civil war found that out the hard way.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Gaj posted:

Its an artifact of the cold war. There are US civil guard manuals on how to dispose of all the dead farm animals.

Its supposedly a new regulation that was issued very recently just before the invasion. It was even featured in the local tabloids here for it's :stonklol:.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

steinrokkan posted:

Operation Flashpoint's expansion Resistance is very relevant, it even has a mission to steal a bunch of tanks from literally under the Russians' noses

Back when I played resistance I thought all the equipment-stealing was just plain unrealistic, looks like I was wrong.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Ever since Russian air traffic bans were instated the fastest way to get from St. Petersburg to the EU was to take the train to Helsinki. However the Finnish state has decided to halt express train traffic to St Petersburg starting from tomorrow for unspecified reasons.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Delthalaz posted:

Re: the argument that they’d be hosed no matter what for invading in mud season, maybe! But they chose this. Why not start your 2 month invasion buildup in April then?

Then they couldn't do their stupid WW2 larp victory parade on May 9th.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

mobby_6kl posted:



Shows what she knows about Western countries, I'm pretty sure everyone will be able to come up with a list pretty quickly. Even without any russian bombs.



We can do the 1323 border with Russia easily

EDIT: Also all the people complaining about petrol prices would end up on the Russian side so they win as well.

uncleTomOfFinland fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Mar 29, 2022

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Shogeton posted:

On that note, one thing I hope Europe will do is to open their doors to Russian refugees. Plenty of folks probably see the way the wind is going, and probably want to get the gently caress out of here. There's a ton of Russians (think LGBT, minorities, etc) who might be threatened by purges themselves, and even the ones who aren't might want to get out of the country now that it's going fully 'masks off' either out of disgust for what is happening, or simply out of self-preservation.

At least for countries bordering Russia it's a bit of an untenable suggestion since Russia has made having a Russian-speaking minority a huge liability.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Threadkiller Dog posted:

Oh almost all my funds are ESG, drat this peaceful investing fad!



You might already own it. Maybe dead russian tank crews count for carbon offsets?

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Zelensky is speaking to the parliament of Finland and the websites of the defence ministry and the biggest bank here are down due to a DoS attack. Must be a coincidence.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Marshal Prolapse posted:

NATO’s getting bigger.

Note I know it’s the KI, I haven’t seen the times article itself, and the times.

https://twitter.com/kyivindependent/status/1513369238844682244?s=21&t=X3b28awOwsAUJL5CpM7vFA

Let's just say it's interesting what kind of bullshit Russia will pull in the next 1-2 months and how big of a problem Orban will be.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

My assumption was that they would not resort to chemical/bio weapons since they could just do war crimes with conventional artillery Grozny style but maybe all that equipment and supplies getting blown to hell is making that not feasible?

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Grouchio posted:

Twitter's having a normal one over the Finland comments Peskov made back on Monday
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1514754122506985473?s=20&t=uPv8_PEVlBIKTVAubkTJ0A
I guess this is still correct?

Meanwhile the Finnish state media is all :rolleyes: over Russian statements:
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12407110
Russia Repeats Familiar Warning Over "Consequences"

Funny that some others seem more freaked out over these things than the people who actually live here. Guess this is what being a South Korean is like?

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Risky Bisquick posted:

If you ignore the self written stdh fanfic, most of the stuff they post is fairly accurate.

https://twitter.com/kaitsepolitsei/status/1521890217262817282
:byewhore: could this be the beginning of eu member states declaring the kremlin amplifiers persona non grata

Having to live in Russia is the 100% appropriate punishment for being a pro-Putin shill.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Wildeyes posted:

Imagine if the Nazis complained about Naziphobia the entire time they were committing atrocities.

Crying crocodile tears over how badly germans were treated was part of the deal since day 1, check out Hitler’s 1939 invasion speech and see how frighteningly familiar it is:
https://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/HITLER1.htm

quote:

I must here state something definitely; German has kept these obligations; the minorities who live in Germany are not persecuted. No Frenchman can stand up and say that any Frenchman living in the Saar territory is oppressed, tortured, or deprived of his rights. Nobody can say this.

For four months I have calmly watched developments, although I never ceased to give warnings. In the last few days I have increased these warnings. I informed the Polish Ambassador three weeks ago that if Poland continued to send to Danzig notes in the form of ultimata, and if on the Polish side an end was not put to Customs measures destined to ruin Danzig's trade, then the Reich could not remain inactive. I left no doubt that people who wanted to compare the Germany of to-day with the former Germany would be deceiving themselves.

An attempt was made to justify the oppression of the Germans by claiming that they had committed acts of provocation. I do not know in what these provocations on the part of women and children consist, if they themselves are maltreated, in some cases killed. One thing I do know - that no great Power can with honour long stand by passively and watch such events.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008


quote:

... The current crisis might not have escalated like in the past months.
That's correct. If the EU had credible defence and wasn't dependent on Russian oil and gas this would not have happened.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Ola posted:

The flyover was actually cancelled due to the weather in Ukraine. It's been raining Sukhois there.

Biggest newspaper in Finland confirms:

quote:

Kremlin lehdistöpäällikkö Dmitri Peskov näyttää kertoneen puolisen tuntia sitten että paraatin ylilento on peruttu "sään vuoksi". Näyttää tuolla aurinko paistavan.

Pekka Hakala, toimittaja
Kremlin press secretary Dmitry Peskov seems to have told half an hour ago that the parade flyover has been cancelled "due to weather." It seems sunny enough out there.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Åland is going to belong to Russia at this rate if they dont reconsider their status as a DMZ

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

FishBulbia posted:

https://twitter.com/GarrisonMoratto/status/1524750817709895682

These people miss the point big time. Finland's military doesn't matter. All that stuff will be taken out pretty quick in the event of war when Russia escalates to deescalate.

The point is that it moves the nuclear trip wire further to protect another country. If a conflict actually happened of course it would be entirely destroyed as an entity, the point is preventing that in the first place.

Hope no-one tells these people that the existing baltic NATO member countries don't have MBTs, air force or navies and Sweden and Finland joining would definitely change that.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

Young Freud posted:

This sounds absolutely dire. (e:fb)
https://twitter.com/ABarbashin/status/1525947831525199872?s=20&t=POf2vyGqllp8zEI4Vd0uHQ

44-year olds, dude And it's a voluntary conscription, too, but if they're politely asking for 40-50yos, I doubt they'll get many takers and whoever they get are likely going to be worn the gently caress out.

When you factor in their less-than-stellar healthcare and rates of alcoholism it's more like conscripting 50-60yos in the west.

uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

I wish Putin would invade already so I can at least avoid this stupid news cycle.

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uncleTomOfFinland
May 25, 2008

The Finnish ministry of health has issued a recommendation that every person between the ages of 3 and 40 should acquire iodine pills in case of radiation exposure.

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