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Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

It is not really complicated guys..everyone is loving bad, and innocent people always suffer due to them. T_T

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Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Flavahbeast posted:

but that means the innocent people are also bad

Everyone holding power.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

BoldFace posted:

I can already feel my blood pressure rising simply thinking about the lukewarm, slap-on-the-wrist sanctions US and Europe are going to propose tomorrow. NS2 is cool and all, but hardly a fatal blow.

You might want to rejoice a little because the main effect of debilitating sanctions is towards poor, innocent civilians. Not strongmen with deployed and tested apparatuses to circumvent or neuter said sanctions in the first place.

Who -btw- also don't give a gently caress about poor innocent civilians anyway, but welcome any chance to point their rage and anguish in the opposite direction.

Dante80 fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Feb 22, 2022

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Betty Wight posted:

Saying it will start world war 3 is motivation for us to do nothing. Not unlike what the folks said prior to world war 2 before Pearl Harbor. We are obligated to help who we can because that is our role. Putin has an army, not an insurgency. This is exactly the war the US military was designed to fight and US soldiers have been fighting for decades. Let the hammer hit a nail for once.

I thought John McCain was dead??

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Young Freud posted:

If Russian Frontal Aviation had a hard time with Strelas and FN-6s, they have yet to go against Stingers.

Afghanistan.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Mystic Mongol posted:

As opposed to what? There's invaders in the streets, man.

Arming the general populace with automatic weapons is an invitation for the opposing professional army to view and treat any soul they see as an immediate armed threat.
It is essentially a blank check to turbo massacre on sight every civilian in Ukraine.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Affi posted:

Yes? And then Russia will be massacring civilians and increasing any resistance movements determination.

This is war isn't it?

There is war and there is fighting to the last Ukrainian, something that I wouldn't want to happen.
Massacring civilians is also something that I wouldn't want to happen. And the last thing I'd want would be to make it easier.

Dante80 fucked around with this message at 12:00 on Feb 24, 2022

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

It seems they are going in on Hostomel.

https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1496803235692269569

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015


Yes, just to the North.


Dante80
Mar 23, 2015


These are Ukrainian BMP-1s without russian invasion markings (Z, O or V)?

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Grape posted:

Cyprus is drat near literally a floating Russian bank in some regards. Also culturally/historically Russophile.

But they're also tiny and malleable so I dunno, Greece itself isn't part of this so maybe they can talk with them on this.

Since when, did the Cypriots actually listen to us?

And rightfully so!..if you know the history.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

quote:

The Democratic Socialists of America condemns Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and demands immediate diplomacy and de-escalation to resolve this crisis. We stand in solidarity with the working classes of Ukraine and Russia who will undoubtedly bear the brunt of this war, and with antiwar protestors in both countries and around the world who are calling for a diplomatic resolution.

This extreme and asymmetrical escalation is an illegal act under the United Nations Charter and severely threatens the livelihoods and well-being of working-class peoples in Ukraine, Russia, and across the region. We urge an immediate ceasefire and the total withdrawal of Russian forces from Ukraine.

There is no solution through war or further intervention. This crisis requires an immediate international antiwar response demanding de-escalation, international cooperation, and opposition to unilateral coercive measures, militarization, and other forms of economic and military brinkmanship that will only exacerbate the human toll of this conflict.

DSA reaffirms our call for the US to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict. We call on antiwar activists in the US and across the world to oppose violent escalations, demand a lasting diplomatic solution, and stress the crucial need to accept any and all refugees resulting from this crisis. Much of the next ten years are coming into view through this attack. While the failures of neoliberal order are clear to everyone, the ruling class is trying to build a new world, through a dystopic transition grounded in militarism, imperialism, and war. Socialists have a duty to build an alternative.

No war but class war.

The above is 100% correct.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

GABA ghoul posted:

If Russian strategic nuclear forces are in the same state as their army and air force appears to be on twitter, we might actually survive this as a species.

Too many missiles for that.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Alchenar posted:


e: another one: https://twitter.com/YanniKouts/status/1497864108682715139

Greece has been traditionally very close culturally with Russia and on the dovish side of NATO, the tweeter is right this is decades of diplomacy gone to waste in a few days

Some context. 10 Greek people died from Russian bombing in a village near Mariupol. Changing our attitude towards this was pretty much expected, especially with the government in charge right now.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

Two planes is an insane contribution especially for a small country like Greece

We've got a lot of eastern block weapons we are not using right now. For example, we have sent around 100 of our BMPs to the new Iraqi Army.
Most of those we have are coming from the CFE treaty sales back in the 90s.

Dante80 fucked around with this message at 15:01 on Feb 27, 2022

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

ok this is funny. The 2 Greek C-130s we are sending with aid to Ukraine are filled with....confiscated Ukrainian rifles lol

https://twitter.com/LSpyropoulou/status/1497873662569029633

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

A reminder about China, we are essentially talking about approximately one fifth of humanity here. And a highly organized one at that.
There is no Ukraine analog here. China just has to wait.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Despera posted:

One fifth of humanity isnt swimming the taiwan strait

Yes, as I said they don't need to.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Brain65 posted:

If on the german end they keep sipping gas and on the russian end they have to keep it pressurized, it's virtually like the germans can import (steal) w/o the russians agreeing to it.

This didn't happen, and couldn't happen either.

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

KitConstantine posted:

Interesting - apparently the CIA has been warning about the threats to pipelines for some time. A thing they would definitely do if they planned to blow them up because [scene missing]

Wait, why wouldn't they want to warn about it if they intended to do it?
I mean, it would make it even easier to pin it on someone else, wouldn't it?

Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

J.A.B.C. posted:

Russia should be removed from the UNSC. They've shown time and again that they disregard the charter and use their veto power to actively gently caress with other nations. They should have been kicked out after Assad gassed his own people, imo.

I don't think there is any permanent UNSC member that has NOT "shown time and again that they disregard the charter and use their veto power to actively gently caress with other nations".

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Dante80
Mar 23, 2015

Saladman posted:

but I could watch videos all day of occupied Russian military tanks getting blown to smithereens.

that is not healthy imo. Unfortunately this war is going to scar a lot of people, and social media is a prime reason for it. This poo poo is completely desensitizing and in a very different way than watching a war history documentary or sth. T_T

Dante80 fucked around with this message at 17:57 on Oct 9, 2022

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