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Xae
Jan 19, 2005

OddObserver posted:

Why do people keep defending that racist piece of poo poo that's looking to find a new genocide to deny? Yeah, you can find reasonable sentences. I can find reasonable sentences from Putin, too.

Because politics is a team sport for people too "intellectual" for team sports. He has been an major part of the Team American Left for decades and rather than admit that he is and always has been a piece of poo poo people try to make excuses for it.


Kasparov was right that Chomsky is a just a broken clock and has no real intellectual rigor. He just goes "America bad", when America is loving up that is a pretty solid point. When someone else is loving up it reveals how little he either knows or cares about what he is talking about.

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Xae
Jan 19, 2005

the white hand posted:

Ghoulish foreign policy "experts" have always hated Chomsky, because he has all of the knowledge they have but none of the fealty to the military-industrial complex.

Nah, they hate him because he is a rank amateur high on his own farts who always arrives at the same conclusion of "USA bad" and then explains why genocide is cool and good (if it were happening and totally is NOT happening) every time a genocide starts up.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Wildeyes posted:

It's almost like it was enormously stupid for Russia to not only destroy its international reputation, expose its military inadequacies, and force the world to leverage crippling sanctions against it, but also to gift a huge diplomacy-building opportunity to its most hated enemy.

It turns out Putin wasn't some Nth dimensional chess master.

He was just the dude who was willing to put more bodies in the ground and faster than his competition.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

TulliusCicero posted:

For a government culture that is supposedly so hateful of its communist "jewish" past they sure seem to love the Soviet Union a whole lot. Very confused zeitgeist you got there Russia

Chuds never stop idealizing the shittier past I guess, regardless of country

Neo-Imperialist assholes like imperialist assholes from their countries past? Not exactly shocking.


Its all about rejection of general values like human rights, liberal democracy, etc. The replacement ideology is the thing that matters least to extremists.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Dapper_Swindler posted:

so do they just not have air defenses? i am curious if they will try to hit a target in Moscow area before/during/after the parade.

Ground based radar is kind bad because the earth is not flat.

If you're flying 100ft off the ground radar more than ~10-15 miles* away can't see you.

This really wasn't an issue for a long time because its super dangerous to fly a couple hundred miles an hour that low. One mistake or even bad wind gust and you're eating dirt.

Then came computer assisted flight and it got easier. Then drones came along and without all the meat bag support equipment drones can now fly much slower plus have computer reaction times.

So you either need radar every couple dozen miles along super long rear end borders measuring (tens of??) thousands of miles or you need radar that isn't limited so much by the curve of the earth.


Its why US/NATO is big on airborne radar.


* There is a formula for calculating visibility for curve of the earth, but :effort:.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Owling Howl posted:

I think this opinion piece in The Guardian pretty well encapsulates the narrative the Kremlin is trying to push.

Stop arming Ukraine and use the inability of Ukraine to resist Russia as a platform for negotiations where we redraw the borders of Ukraine and dictate Ukrainian foreign policy and then Ukraine will stop fighting and the war will be over.

The reaction to the war has made a few things very clear to me.

1. Some people just can't fathom that not everyone wants peace. You could teach a tree quantum physics before these guys could understand that.
2. A lot of "smart" people are broken clocks. They arrive at the same cause, effect and solution regardless of scenario.
3. Supports or Opposes Liberal Democracy is a better predictor of position than Left or Right. Maybe reducing human politics to a single dimensional seating chart from 1800s France is a tad too reductionist.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

I'll never understand the phenomenon of 'The peaceful path is to allow Ukraine to fall under Russian occupation.'

Do they think Russia wouldn't have killed tens of thousands just because? Do the Ukrainians not get agency?

Is it the Neville chamberlain thing all over again, or do all these people honestly believe the Russian propaganda or that the US is always evil therefore opposition is always the moral choice?

It is really loving creepy and unsettling how many people pretend to think this way ot actually think this way.

Imagine your only goal in life is attention and validation for being a Big Thinker on Twitter.

You run your mouth off about some poo poo and then reality comes and proves you wrong.


Option 1: Admit you were wrong about a lot of poo poo and aren't nearly as smart as you thought you were.

Option 2: Double down. Obviously there is this vast conspiracy involving millions of people and the deaths of thousand just so you would be wrong on Twitter.

Xae
Jan 19, 2005

mobby_6kl posted:

Wasn't that the tankie rhetoric from day 1 of the war, immediately after "don't be silly russia would never invade" of course. Now just more desperate of course.

In 20 years you'll be watching some 15 year old making a very impassioned speech on Internet 3.0 about how evil the CIA was to overthrow the Ukrainian government, how Zelenksy was a US puppet and Ukraine invaded Russia first. And a bunch of other 15 tear olds will be nodding in agreement.

And now matter how much you explain to them that is not what happened and you have very clear memory of it and there is a mountain of evidence disproving their assertions they'll just respond with "That is what they want you to think".

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Xae
Jan 19, 2005

Dolash posted:

The whole world is on thin ice right now about whether a nuclear power can lose a conventional war against an army supplied by another nuclear power without it escalating to nuclear war. Every new step taken, especially ones in the direction of using weapons provided by one nuclear power within the borders of another, is accompanied by a lot of anxiety about whether it could put us on an escalation spiral nobody can stop.

What you're asking makes perfect sense in isolation, but in the full context it's obvious why everyone's hoping there's another way to win. There's never been a war quite like this, so nobody knows what a stable equilibrium afterward will look like or exactly how to get there.

What?

See the Korean War, the Vietnam War, Russo-Afghan War, the US-Afghan war as direct examples.

Some of them were way hotter than the current war. Russian pilots were shooting down American airplanes over North Korea. Russian SAM operators were shooting down American pilots over Vietnam. In the Russo-Afghan war the US supplied cutting edge weapons, not just emptied out their old storage.

The Suez Crisis, the French-Indochinese war, Sino-Vietnamese War, the Taiwan Straight Crisis, and probably a dozen minor proxy wars as similar, but not quite the same examples.


Nuclear powers and powers backed by nuclear powers lose all the time. Hell, nuclear powers have directly fought against each other in the Kargil war.


TL;DR this may be new and frightening for relatively young people, but this is "oh, it must be Tuesday" for people who lived through the Cold War.

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