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Oct 9, 2005


I am surprised that prisons did not descend into anarcho-primitivism during COVID, though if they had it wouldn't have been reported.

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Oct 9, 2005


FlamingLiberal posted:

Yes a lot of the moderate suburban voters who turned against Trump because he was so publicly disgusting would not have to worry about that with DeSantis

DeSantis is running to Trump's right, publicly disgusting plays pretty well in Florida

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Oct 9, 2005


Fritz the Horse posted:

see thread title

US Probated Events

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Oct 9, 2005


Oracle posted:

People are trying to understand what you find funny about it. I have home security, it came with the house we bought. We kept it to use when the kids were little to know when a door or window was opened because the little toddlers were always trying to go outside (it beeps a few times) and hooked it up to our sump pump because the last time it failed it flooded our basement when we were out of town so they call if the power goes out to it, which has saved out butts several times (high water table).

A bunch of posters are showing their rear end about how little they know about how or why security systems work, and trying to politicize making theft claims to Amazon.

I'm sure some people use security systems to posture, but people do that with everything. If you don't get the value of a security system you need to level the gently caress up.

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Oct 9, 2005


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The duo allegedly flashed official-looking IDs, carried Glocks, drove black SUVs with flashing lights, and became so friendly with some agents that they put the agents up for free in penthouses at the Crossings and gifted them iPhones, rifles, and drones

Some agents are going to be manning weather towers soon if not outright fired.

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Oct 9, 2005


Sharkie posted:

This sounds like an overly complicated waste of everyone's time and energy, when he can just pardon them. Which he could do, but he chooses not to do.

You not understanding how things work isn't Biden's problem.

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Oct 9, 2005


virtualboyCOLOR posted:

Is this another one of those “Excuse me! There are rules!” dismissive posts that don’t address the actual issue? Do you have something of value to add to the conversation? Or are you more interested in shaming people for wanting the ruling party that promised to support underprivileged?

Is this another socialist wrestling promo instead of just dealing with the fact that pardons are federal?

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Oct 9, 2005


Nonsense posted:

You cannot negotiate with these people, and you cannot see eye to eye on anything.

https://twitter.com/JesseKellyDC/status/1530199474265591808?s=20

The Republicans might feel they are ascendant in November, but things feel different.

Well they might ride high one day in November, but we'll probably be right back to dysfunction' fascist factions because both parties are finding it exceptionally hard to wield power in our system at the congressional level in the last few years.

However, at this point Mitch will dump the filibuster the moment he can glean a political advantage from doing so, so that will be fun.

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Oct 9, 2005


The "excitement" and "drama" comes from seeing whether the Democrats will fully transition away from center-right gerontocrat politics before the republic collapses. They have made strides and every time there's a wave election the blue dog-types get hit hardest, which has shifted the party leftward even as the olds in leadership go kicking and screaming.

We still see a party struggling just to negotiate with itself on pretty much everything. Means-tested $10,000 off your student loans is some pretty weak poo poo, 1/5th of the original number floated.

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Oct 9, 2005


Big Slammu posted:

Is this the part of the “democrats r bad” side bar of this thread that repeats every 50 so pages where we poo poo on Biden for not doing blatantly doing unconstitutional things because he’s not “doing something”

50 pages? More like every page.

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Oct 9, 2005


FlamingLiberal posted:

There are right-wing Dems who constantly whine that Biden’s agenda was ‘too ambitious’ or that it was hijacked by the progressives or some other nonsense

Completely ignoring that it was ‘moderates’ like the ‘Problem Solvers Caucus’ or Manchin/Sinema that killed BBB

Nobody really views Manchin or Sinema as moderates, though someone might be forgiven for thinking at one time that Sinema would be otherwise.

If obstructionism were that popular of a position, more senators would be doing it. As it is, Sinema is in danger of getting primaried. This is a world of difference from the pre-2010 midterms era.

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Oct 9, 2005


The fundamental incompetence of the police here should be all anyone needs to know that putting schools and police on a war footing doesn't actually work, and even produces worse outcomes.

They are not even displaying the competence necessary to just lawyer up and shut up.

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Oct 9, 2005


Gripweed posted:

Alex Pareene has a good, short article pointing out that the government's complete inability and unwillingness to solve problems could lead to the general public deciding that democracy is not a good or desirable form of government. We talk about people not voting because they think it doesn't matter, but if people really think that democracy is incapable of improving their lives, something like a "one man, one vote, one time" pitch gets a lot more attractive.

https://twitter.com/pareene/status/1529456969643446273?s=20&t=fNSpoT6e8Y1LsUHaODfHlQ

"Well, people are being rounded up and imprisoned for being immigrants or getting abortions, but legislation is actually passing, so it's impossible to say if this is good or bad" - 40% of Americans

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Oct 9, 2005


Ringo Star Get posted:

Louie Gohmert worried that Republicans can’t even lie to the FBI anymore since they’ll get arrested.

https://twitter.com/jasonscampbell/status/1532776813692342272?s=21&t=mOZe5xc8XQUx1wg9qSaMng

Louie is very smart

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/03/more-than-20-gopers-pleaded-trump-do-more-jan-6/

Here's an accounting of Republicans that we know called the White House on January 6, alarmed that the president was causing and doing nothing to stop a riot in congress. Most of these have tried to minimize and lie about it in public since. Sure was a fun 48 hours before they all just lined up and declared him president-in-exile.

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Members of Congress

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.): “I was very clear with the president when I called him: This has to stop, and he has to go to the American public and tell them to stop this.” (Interview with CBS News) “The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters. He should have immediately denounced the mob when he saw what was unfolding.” (Speech on House floor)

Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio): On a phone call, he “implored Trump to tell his supporters to stand down,” according to Politico.

Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.): Joined Jordan in that plea on the same phone call, per Politico.

Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.): “Please tell the President to calm people This isn’t the way to solve anything.” (Text to Meadows, 2:28 p.m.)

Rep. Adam Kinzinger (R-Ill.): “You are not protecting the country. Where is the DC guard? You are done and your legacy will be a disaster.” (Tweet, 2:38 p.m.)

Rep. Will Timmons (R-S.C.): “The president needs to stop this ASAP” (Text to Meadows, 2:46 p.m.)

Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.): “POTUS needs to calm this s--- down” (Text to Meadows, 3:04 p.m.)

Rep. Chip Roy (R-Tex.): “Fix this now. (Text to Meadows, 3:15 p.m.)

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.): “Good that Trump denounces violence but could add & well demand justice for those who became violent …” (Text to Meadows, 3:57 p.m.)

Sen. Bill Cassidy (R-La.): "@realDonaldTrump please appear on TV, condemn the violence and tell people to disband.” (Tweet, 4:03 p.m.)

Rep. Jamie Herrera Beutler (R-Wash.): “We need to hear from the president. On TV. I hate that Biden jumped him on it.” (Text to Meadows, 4:15 p.m.)

Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Tex.): “I wanted everybody who is objecting, I want the president, I wanted everybody out in front of those protestors as they were storming the capitol to be there and say stop.” (Fox News appearance, 6:32 p.m.)

Other prominent Republicans
Donald Trump Jr.: “He’s got to condem this s---. Asap. The captiol police tweet is not enough. … We need an oval address. He has to lead now. It’s gone too far and gotten out of hand.” (Texts to Meadows, 2:53 p.m.-4:05 p.m.) (The misspellings were in the texts.)

Former congressman Raúl R. Labrador (R-Idaho): “You guys need to get Trump to say something to calm down the people, a tweet is not enough. This is crazy.” (Text to Meadows, 3:57 p.m.)

Current and former Trump aides
Ex-White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney: “Mark: he needs to stop this, now. Can I do anything to help?” (Text to Meadows, 2:35 p.m.) (Also tweeted calling for an Oval Office address at 4:07 p.m.)

Ex-White House chief of staff Reince Priebus: “TELL THEM TO GO HOME !!!” (Text to Meadows, 3:09 p.m.)

Ex-Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price: “POTUS should go on air and defuse this. Extremely important.” (Text to Meadows, 3:13 p.m.)

Spokeswoman Alyssa Farah Griffin: “Condemn this now, @realDonaldTrump — you are the only one they will listen to. For our country!” (Tweet at 2:54 p.m.) “Potus has to come out firmly and tell protestors to dissipate. Someone is going to get killed.” (Text to Meadows, 3:13 p.m.)

Former New Jersey governor Chris Christie: “I’ve been spending the last 25 minutes or so trying to get the president on the phone myself to say this to him directly. … The president caused this protest to occur. He’s the only one that can make it stop. … What the president said is not good enough.” (Interview on ABC News, shortly before 4 p.m.)

Fox News hosts
Laura Ingraham: “Hey Mark, The president needs to tell people in the Capitol to go home. … This is hurting all of us. … He is destroying his legacy and playing into every stereotype.” (Text to Meadows, 2:32-33 p.m.)

Sean Hannity: “Can he make a statement. I saw the tweet. Ask people to peacefully leave the capital” (Text to Meadows, 3:31 p.m.)

Brian Kilmeade: “Please get him on tv. Destroying every thing you guys have accomplished” (Text to Meadows, 3:58 p.m.)

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Oct 9, 2005


Epiphyte posted:

Isn't the safe storage requirement actually a pretty big deal?

I would say these laws enable you to come after a person you know is a danger a bit harder if the cops show up for some other reason. There will still be big misses due to incompetence, no real way to enforce anything without coming in for said other reason, and good ol boy networks.

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Oct 9, 2005


Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

They already did. California, New York, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, Maryland, Maine, and Massachusetts all have sent out or are sending out gas rebate checks for between $300 and $800.

Direct payments don't seem to actually drive voting, though. Bush had 4 stimulus checks that most people forgot about and other direct payment programs that are just one-time payments don't seem to impact approval ratings or vote percentage.

There was a poll in June 2021 that showed that less than 1/3 of voters remembered that Biden or Trump had sent out stimulus checks. So, it's not really clear if there is no impact because nobody remembers, it doesn't move votes at all, or they were too far from the election.

Voters are insane and can't be trusted to do anything philosophically coherent, so your only choice is to constantly help them, basically

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Oct 9, 2005


I'm all for a celebrity using their soapbox to advocate for something as sensible as "children shouldn't be shot, and if you're not paying attention, this is far more disgusting than you realize." The human conscience demands action on this issue. The people who experienced this shouldn't feel alone, and they often do.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1534140999685091336

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Oct 9, 2005


Abner Assington posted:

This is some Baghdad Bob levels of delusional coming from Yellen. Holy moly.

Can't wait* to see those numbers tomorrow!

(*I, in fact, can wait and don't want to actually see them.)

This is a very excellent economy if you already have the basketball on the rim of the basket and just need to tip it in. People with the degrees and skills and other advantages can basically work anywhere right now.

Other people... Hell is other people.

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Oct 9, 2005


Main Paineframe posted:

Three-letter agencies (and the far-right security state in general) were absolutely going a whole lot harder against leftists back in the 60s and 70s than they are now, and yet the leftists back then were able to accomplish far more than leftists today have been.

If leftist infighting is worse today, there's a much simpler answer than blaming FBI schemes. It's because the modern left is extremely online, and even the pettiest local feuds can easily spread across the country as everyone takes to Twitter to litigate their personal disputes. Social media is an excellent drama driver.

Yeah, the security state doesn't like the left. They never have and they probably never will. Blaming them for 21st-century leftists' inability to win elections doesn't really seem to have any clear basis, though. Vaguely citing FBI crimes five decades ago, or pointing at a few mysterious deaths here and there, is not sufficient to make a case for them being primarily responsible for the left's total inability to do politics. And in general, I think that line of thinking necessarily trends toward a sort of political nihilism in which leftists insist that better things just aren't possible.

If there is to be any hope at all, then the left has to spend more time thinking about how they can improve and do better, and a lot less time making excuses and insisting that their failures are someone else's fault. The number one question the left should be asking is "how can we win?".

There's a left that's active and represented in national politics, and it deeply alarms entrenched gerontocrats within the Democratic Party when it wins primaries. If anything the lefties are starting to win because it's the mainstream that's become too feckless and dysfunctional to accomplish anything, being pulled kicking and screaming as they are to doing anything of what they promised. We're living in a world where "Biden isn't good enough to accomplish even moderate goals" is no longer a fringe position of Leftist Twitter, it's become a topic in the New York Times because there's really no way to paint around the problem.

Should Biden Run in 2024? Democratic Whispers of ‘No’ Start to Rise. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/11/us/politics/biden-2024-election-democrats.html

... This is loving wild poo poo coming out of the center-left paper of record. The 2024 strategy is now down to "Well, we could win if it's against Trump." Where have I heard that before? Nancy Pelosi talks about "needing" a Republican Party. God drat, even milquetoast op-ed columnists have abandoned this deranged line.

We have a party negotiating with itself, which is simply bad politics. Chuck Schumer wants $50,000 off your student loans. The Biden White House floated $10,000 off, means-tested, in the papers, and received the negative reaction that deserved. Show some loving leadership instead of struggling to come out with a plan that's 20% as good as the Senate's position.

It turned out it was not enough to simply bring decorum back to the White House. I imagined in my head some kind of task force designed to reverse and prevent Trump poo poo--just as a basic Day One Thing, if this guy was so loving horrible. But while we've undone and reversed course on some things, this administration struggles to undo some of his most vile policy initiatives, or even finds itself in the bizarre position of attempting to defend them. That's to say nothing of fulfilling campaign promises.

Non-stop weak poo poo coming out of this White House, and it reads as a party in chaos at the absolute worst time--we're coming off an attempted palace coup, the stakes could not be higher.

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Oct 9, 2005


Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Lol if they get him on taxes and fundraising

Well, it's how they got Capone.

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Oct 9, 2005


FLIPADELPHIA posted:

I think that's an extremely generous interpretation of Obama and his motives/actions. Obama built a "coalition" simply to get elected and once it served its purpose he purposefully destroyed it and spent all of his power doing either the absolute bare minimum (gay rights) or actively loving over the country in favor of capital (a thousand examples we're all familiar with).

I don't think you can put Obama and West on the same continuum here in terms of "leftist" philosophy. Obama isn't leftist at all and never has been. I don't think "language" was an issue. Language was just a tool for him- he perfected the Clintonesque triangulation technique and wrung every winnable vote out of the electorate, then poo poo on the people who put him in power.

I read this as "I have an extremely generous interpretation" and then thought "Well, that doesn't sound very generous."

I don't have a lot to disagree with, he fooled a lot of people into thinking he was a transformative leftist candidate and we got a centrist who was playing chess with congress while his enemies kept playing checkers, to butcher the old saying.

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Oct 9, 2005


Nobody buried Madison Cawthorn except the GOP when he went into business for himself. If he hadn't gone out of his way to make an enemy of Thom Tillis he'd probably still be around.

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Oct 9, 2005


Supreme Court justices broadly agree about most things, most seem to be friends or at least cordial, and there are no sworn enemies on the court that I know of. There's just not really a "radical" leftist on the court ready to throw bombs, either.

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Oct 9, 2005


Star Man posted:

Why does "just work from home" always come off as "learn to code" to me?

It's a tech thing. FOR THE MOMENT, it's still easy to find a job in tech and it's very work-from-home friendly because they can't figure out how else to get people.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/14/...ter_new_arm_5_1

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