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TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Yinlock posted:

Eagerly awaiting yet another internal memo that has decided that the fault lies with the party going too far left and that it's time to get more racist to pick up the vital and very existing swing voters.

Dems won the Senate because of Georgia, though? And those candidates ran fairly milquetoast center-left campaigns? So like, swing voters are real and were actually very important.

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TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Bishyaler posted:

Democrats have been telling us how close we are to losing democracy, are they lying?

So how exactly did you expect we should deal with a group of bad actors intent on establishing fascistic rule in the US? Is this the meme of a guy throwing a ballot in a box saying "you're done Hitler!" Are you planning on yelling loudly how it's against the rules when state police are dragging you from your home? At some point your plan has to be more robust than "vote hard and hope they never win".

People voted hard and the bad actors lost both chambers of congress and the executive.

So much of this “death penalty to my political enemies” posturing is just misdirected anger at your own side for being feckless.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Bishyaler posted:

This entire argument is sidestepping the political reality that Republicans will hold a permanent majority in congress after midterms, and almost certainly the presidency in 2024. What is the plan when the republican-controlled DOJ is no longer interested in stopping human rights violations at the state level? What is the plan when SCOTUS gives the green light to state-level abuses?

This is exactly like when Trump was in power, we had Democrats allowing the abuses to occur and holding their breath waiting for Trump to trip up on a rule so he could be removed from power, and of course that never worked. Because the rules aren't sufficient and even if they were, they don't work at all when half of the government decides it doesn't want to do the job.

You’re arguing that the system doesn’t work by citing a case study of the system working. Trump was removed from office by voters, and lost both houses of Congress in the process. It was a historic loss of power.

There’s always a temptation to overstate the significance of a political win or loss, and it’s never as good or bad as stated. 2008 was supposed to mark 20 years in the political wilderness for the Republicans, 2016 was a death knell for centrist liberalism. None of it came out that way. You get 2-4 years to get something done, then gridlock, then it flips.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Gumball Gumption posted:

It's honestly as simple as the Republicans looking at the rules, deciding nothing explicitly says they can't do the thing they want to do so they just do it even if when you really get into it it's "against the rules". In comparison the Democrats look and if the rules say they can't explicitly do something they often choose not to. And honestly that's the right way to operate during normal times when both parties are following that. But that's not the time we're in.

Nah, the Dems did things like:

* Flip the entire Senate by bribing a centrist with a committee chair (talk about voter disenfranchisement!)
* Unilaterally rewrite procedures around 2/3 majority needed to change cloture rules
* YOLOed a huge healthcare bill via reconciliation

Complaints like this actually boil down to: the Dems aren’t willing to break the rules, in support of policies I care about.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

How are u posted:

The heistancy to declare victory and do a victory lap on what is perhaps the single largest issue that has motivated the Republican base for decades is telling. I think this ruling really will change the midterm elections in a huge way.

Agreed, the backlash will be similar to what would happen if the police were actually defunded.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Starks posted:

He claims to have been a communist when he was 12 (what).

So Lightning Knight didn’t break the mold…

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Willa Rogers posted:

When was the last time Dems came up with an effective trope or tweet?

There was that cartoon of GWB as a vampire sneaking up on an unsuspecting Statue of Liberty?

Also that brief “I’ll type Drumpf instead of Trump” phase.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005
I’m doing keto and a no-bun burger is a pretty ubiquitous thing you can order at most restaurants.

TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005
Trump voted Dem for years so I’m not sure that’s the best litmus test of anything.

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TheDisreputableDog
Oct 13, 2005

Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

it is so goddamned funny that Biden decided to recapitulate the enormous own goal of Obama keeping Comey on-staff with Garland.

surely, trusting to individual virtue of people selected for their ability to play nice with republicans won't bite a dem administration THIS time!

It was definitely keeping a moderate around that was the “own goal” here, and not like, sending your husband to have an off-the-record meeting with the charging authority, publicly offering that authority a job if you won, or having the sitting President be like “nothing bad happened” while the investigation was still in progress.

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