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Vincent Van Goatse posted:How many 7-foot+ transgender athletes do you think there are in America? Personally I doubt there are enough to fill out one basketball team. Even worse: of those 4, three are trans boys. Only 1 athlete would be effected by that law at all as it only covers girls' teams. https://twitter.com/SpencerJCox/status/1506377724314611712
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LionArcher posted:I do have a trans question in general. Not about the sports stuff. I do appreciate the fact that this thread clearly goes over this sports poo poo is bullshit, and I'll use it when dealing with the one friend who usually says "trans folks are fine, but what about those sports..." (Yes, this friend is cool minus listening to Joe Rogen and those kind of things). Literally no one is pressuring anyone to transition. If anything the enormous social pressure is in the opposite direction, and there is significant institutional pushback as well to even get treatment, especially in places like the UK where waits can be years to receive care. The WPATH Standards Of Care are the internationally recognized basis for best practices for transgender medical care, currently in its 7th edition since original publication in 1979. They are, by most measures, conservative minimums of treatment. Per them, medical treatment of adolescents is limited to puberty suppression prior to age 16, and can potentially begin hormone therapy thereafter with parental consent. You can read the standards starting on Page 18 of the linked PDF. A very important passage here that deserves posting in full: quote:Risks of Withholding Medical Treatment for Adolescents Liquid Communism fucked around with this message at 03:41 on Apr 8, 2022 |
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Dr. Stab posted:Trans men have been the primary target of transphobic rhetoric and legislation in the last few years. The social contagion narrative that has been very effective is focused on trans men. Transphobes also talk a bunch about "ruining fertile wombs and breasts," and get really mad about "people who have periods" phrasing. In the transphobic worldview, trans women tend to be the perverts seducing kids, and trans men are the victims. The people passing these healthcare bans are thinking "Our daughters are being corrupted!" I'd gotten the impression that was a specifically British TERF thing, screeching about how men transitioning was 'stealing their lesbians'. Victar posted:A notable quote from this article: "A number of states that have introduced bills to ban trans women in sports have said they're trying to save women’s sports. But in addition to these bans, they're also introducing legislation to try to limit the lives of trans people in other ways. They're showing their true colors." It's notable that the same people and parties pushing these bills have also repeatedly and consistently cut school budgets at the high school and college level, which leads directly to womens' sports programs getting cut as they aren't as self-sustaining financially as men's football and basketball.
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Jaxyon posted:Actions speak, odd how things that hurt people in already marginalized groups are more permitted The stance that trans people's right to exist and live normal lives is a matter of debate is decidedly not a neutral stance. Same hateful rhetoric that's been kicking around for decades, just as commonly aimed at other queer people when transgender folks didn't have as much visibility. Decorum, or bad faith attempts to present a veneer of academic curiosity, does not change the content of their posting. Bigotry formatted as a question to dodge moderation policy remains bigotry. We have all lived through the last five years of being very online while people with particular social agendas use the 'Just Asking Questions' routine to float bigotry and seize on their opposition calling it out as a failure of decorum, thus validating their beliefs.
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I'm curious exactly what post you're defending as the work of a 'naive person', because I can't say I've seen any of that here.
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Apr 9, 2022 22:28
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Fluffdaddy posted:Weight limits divided by gender is basically the best we can do but even weight is manipulated heavily by fighters. To an extent of killing themselves trying to cut down to fight at a lower weight class.  https://thenewdaily.com.au/sport/boxing/2018/07/01/weight-cutting-boxing/
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PeterCat posted:Is Intersex a separate category? Legit question, I see that in the White House's announcement about Ukrainian refugees they use the acronym "LGBTQI+", the I and the + being new ones to me. It depends on the acronym, but I is a pretty common add. Common enough that Amnesty International and NAMI use it in their official docs, at any rate.
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Apr 11, 2022 04:38
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Jaxyon posted:Semenya has one condition of increased testosterone. There's other conditions in women that also increase T, and they're not banned under the ruling. The rules target some intersex women, and that's it. Yep. Also people with all -sorts- of mutations that enhance performance to one degree or another, but they don't seem to care unless they're gender-related. It's just phobia expressed as concern trolling.
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Apr 11, 2022 11:03
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Dr. Stab posted:Let's check in on how this issue is being addressed in the real world. Same in Utah. There are four transgender athletes at the high school level in the state. 3 are guys. The legislation there (which the governor veto'd and was overridden) only targets girls' sports.
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Ash Crimson posted:I've seen anti trans individuals and organisations on social media, the tv and other platforms use the refrain "define woman/but what is a woman" as a way of stopping any greater conversation about the inclusion and acceptance of trans people Especially the Mumsnet UK TERF crowd. They use CW:Transphobia 'Adult Human Female' as a rallying cry and love to lead into it by demanding anyone they're talking to define 'woman' so they can use their particular definition to exclude transgender women (who they do not class as 'female'). It's semantic bullshit, but what isn't with bigots.
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