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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Here is the housing thread, post about housing

currently in the US housing is kind of expensive

if you haven't purchased a home yet then lol

here are some graphs, please post more stuff to add to this incredibly lazy OP tyia







homes lol



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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

mastershakeman posted:

no one does 20% down without a gift and it's annoying that people pretend it's a thing. you do 5% down and eat the $100 a month PMI, because housing inflation goes faster than being able to save

my friend who bought a house in Seattle told me her parents gifted her Starbucks stock lol

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

TenementFunster posted:

nobody wants to live in bumfuck, especially when you're become accustomed to being a coastal yuppie

what about the people moving to idaho

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

TenementFunster posted:

… richard spencer?

rich techies moving to sun valley i mean

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

how is Honolulu so high, lol

i think austin should be higher

also lol at hong kong

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


he bought a home in grand theft auto?

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Zeroisanumber posted:

Yeah, but you've got equity. You can take out loans against that to buy other stuff.

What other stuff? Who knows? What do people even buy in these doomed final days?

i'm doing a small reno for my kitchen and bathroom because if I'm going to be stuck at home all the time I might as well enjoy it

but this is like, 20k total. the average kitchen reno alone is like 35k

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

fart simpson posted:

lol how is the average 35k that’s insane

Most people have their old cabinets taken out and replaced, which is like 15-20k at a minimum just for a small galley kitchen, and most people's kitchens are much larger than that. then of course you have countertops, and often the appliances will be updated

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

actionjackson lives in a condo which means it's gonna be more expensive bc of the increased risk. Shoot a nail in the wrong spot and you hit a water pipe and flood your downstairs neighbors condo, with no accessible water shutoff valve in reach. Plus it's a pain in the rear end to work in a condo,but mostly it's the increased risk.

I remodel professionally and I'd say $20-25k is average for demo/cabinets/floors/backsplash/appliances/paint

$1-2k for demo
$8-12k for cabinets
$2-3k for floors
$1k for backsplash
$3k for appliances
$2-3k for granite/quartzite counters
$1-2k for whatever else

So obviously you do this for a living so you are the expert, looking again it looks more like 25k, so that might have been a misread by me.

However as you very well know, your picture is from a pretty standard size kitchen, but there's also plenty of giant houses with giant fuckoff kitchens. The place I'm working with mentioned they've had renos up to 80-100k.

Also 3k for all four appliances is EXTREMELY cheap. There are plenty of single appliances that are far more than that even.

Thankfully I live on the bottom floor so some of the things you mentioned are not an issue. The place I used kept the cabinets, but put in new slab doors and drawers to give it a frameless look, and did the blum hinges where you push and the door pops out, and when you push the door or drawer back in it "grabs" it at the end to pull the last bit of distance (tip-on blumotion for movento if you are familiar, I think each drawer for that is like 200-300). I'm paying 10k to have this done in my galley kitchen, which includes everything, including a custom paint color. It would have been like 6800 if I had done typical doors with hardware.

I had considered replacing cabinets, but because I'm a modern design slut I got an estimate from a really nice place that had the look I want, and that was like 20K just for cabinets and all the demo. But I would not be happy with doors with insets, or hardware of any kind.

https://puustelliusa.com/

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

look at the size of this loving kitchen, you can't even fit it all in one pic. it's almost bigger than my home

how many loving cabinets do you need, there's like 50 doors and drawers just in this pic, what the gently caress are they putting in these

those appliances are probably 10-15k alone. of course you could also upgrade to the pelosi package of a separate subzero fridge and freezer (10k each), wolf wall oven, and whatever else and prob spent 35k just on those. don't forget the 5k miele built in coffee maker

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Ornery and Hornery posted:

re: these types of cabinets - serious question for the thread.

why is it that sometimes the style *looks* extremely expensive and contemporary and other times the style *looks* extremely cheap? like basically ikea cabinetry.

I’m serious, at first I thought it was exclusively the impact of the handles but it seems to be more than that

materials, ikea stuff is going to be particle board, fiber board and a lot of plastic, basically super lightweight and cheap - I think it might be called thermofoil, which is very susceptible to heat and moisture damage

nice stuff is going to be solid wood, or maybe MDF, and with a really nice clear coat, before painting (if done)

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

yeah i don't understand high gloss kitchens at all it looks horrible, and any lighting will bounce off them and blind you

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

BIG-DICK-BUTT-gently caress posted:

Honestly I’m pretty sure you know more about this stuff than I do, no irony, it seems like a passion of yours. I always learn new stuff whenever you post about interior design. I’ve only been doing it for 3 years so I am far from “expert” .. Just sharing what I’ve seen, every market will be different.

I should have said that I really only work on entry level city homes, so like $250-500k, usually in preparation to sell, and everyone wants the same stuff .. White shaker cabinets, white quartzite w grey vein, stainless steel appliances, subway tile backsplash, black hardware etc. Generic & inoffensive but widely appealing. Sounds like you have better taste, but that comes at a bit of a price premium. Bottom line - I think we’re at different price points and I should have prefaced my statement accordingly.

Looks like prices have gone up a bit but you can still get name brand appliance packages for $3-4k Whirlpool, Samsung, etc. Viking, Wolf, Thermadore — different story :D. I’ve heard the IKEA appliances are a good value too but never used them.

I never wanted to work on a house that big if I could avoid bc I find it vulgar & obscene, but you’re correct… the sky is the limit w some of these renos. Downside is that I’m already getting bored w these cookie cutter kitchens, so maybe at some point I’ll look for a higher end contractor to work for.

What kind of counters are you doing? My favorite is probably concrete but it requires a whole bunch of extra reinforcement in the cabinets & floor joists to support the extra weight :whitewater: .. probably why you don’t see it often

well I appreciate the kind words! yes for entry level homes your prices make sense. I did the countertops in early 2019 before I got into design (but I had a relative who did it who suggested what I ended up with), nothing fancy, wilsonart HPL, matte, coffee bean (dark brown) color. I wasn't willing to pay the pretty subtantial premium for something fancier, and I only want a solid color so more textured options wouldn't make sense anyway. Since it's still so new I'm just kind of building around that, so my walls are an off white with a brown undertone, my porcelain tile that I just had installed is kind of medium brown that looks like concrete, with a bit of a darker brown grout. I've been spending my time recently treating the efflorescence. The cabinet doors will be painted in a color from Benjamin Moore called Normandy. I'm a big fan of the brown/blue/gray pallet overall.

https://www.benjaminmoore.com/en-us/paint-colors/color/2129-40/normandy

If I were to blow money on new countertops (which would be stupid) again I would probably do solid surface, but it doesn't really benefit me at all except the small convenience of an undermount sink, and even then my kraus sink has a beveled edge so it's not a big issue. There's even a company now (I forget the name) that makes sinks that can be undermounted on laminate. Concrete is definitely something more for an industrial or brutalist theme. I'm picturing concrete floors as well, exposed ductwork, a lot of gray and black in general, lighting that has some of its interior exposed like anything from anglepoise. It's not something you can just put in any kitchen because it will often look weird as hell

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

shrike82 posted:

i'd be surprised if the majority of posters over 35 don't own a place

home ownership is still pretty common

yes because we were fortunate enough to be in the housing market right after 2008 when homes were cheap as hell

goons you can stay in my entry, you just have to share the space with my greyhound because she has her crate in there

also you need to hide in the bushes when the one woman on the third floor who everyone hates prowls around

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

OxMan posted:

Literally no one deemed loving essential in 2020 or even their lil capo managers could ever own their own anything in most states so thats just privilege shining bright.

as I said, you just had to be looking to buy a a home between 2009-2013 or so, it's fortunate timing

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

OxMan posted:

Yeah i dont know who was buying a house in 2009 off 7.25 an hr or whatever the gently caress poverty rear end deathbelt wages they were getting. Nor 11.25 in CA. When was the fortunate timing for that wage, 1962?

you mentioned managers, I agree about essential workers, though not all essential workers make minimum wage of course (I mean, physicians and surgeons are considered essential)

OxMan posted:

Non coastal states are wild. I dont think I've ever seen a house that didnt cost more than 300k (and I'm talking a normal rear end house not some trashed shack you have to demolish and rebuild over) , even as a kid in the late 90s i remember when my moms friends (all electricians, which i used to think of as soooo rich) were buying houses that was the going price. That there were states out there with houses actually buyable by people working regular rear end jobs in a post 9/11 world blows my mind.

The median house price in the twin cities didn't hit 300k until last year, and that was a record. I'd say it was around 200k 10-12 years ago

this is because the winters get cold as gently caress mainly

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


I wouldn't call it a resounding success either

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


turn on your monitor

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

AnimeIsTrash posted:

I'd be curious how many people in the covid thread work as computer touchers.

I'm a biostatistician so I do touch computers, but i don't make anywhere close to what silicon valley touchers make, and I work in academia/research so no RSUs for me

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

skooma512 posted:

I touch computers in the healthcare industry around covid people and open hearts. Almost 10 years of experience, 5 figgies nevertheless. I have 1br apartment and I'm just waiting for the day the landlord remembers I'm still here and raises the rent.

subspecialist MDs get paid a ton

I found out through some research article at a conference that transplant hepatologists are mostly in the 300-400k range

i'm sure interventional cards and rads are even more

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

that's starting compensation for FAANG btw

what is the actual data, I'm sure it's a lot but I'd like to see a source

also is that specifically for people living in SV? presumably people working remotely will be paid differently based on cost of living

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

anime was right posted:

no its not lol. L3s make like 200k total comp

what is an L3

and is total comp salary + RSUs + bonuses?

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://www.levels.fyi/?compare=Google%2CApple%2CAmazon%2CMicrosoft%2CFacebook&track=Software+Engineer

If you want to see the data, click on the levels and then filter by your state.

I feel like the people who make higher salaries are more likely to respond to this

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

euphronius posted:

thank you for a housing thread

you are welcome friend

how the gently caress is the average earners' mortgage capacity 469k

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

euphronius posted:

that’s a normal zoning restriction across the country

I've never heard of that, I've only heard of limits on the total number of people, but it's a pretty high number

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

euphronius posted:

it’s the basis of R1 zoning which is extremely common

R1 zoning prohibits people who are not related living together?

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

I don't know about california, but in the twin cities many people have unrelated roommates

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

euphronius posted:

i guess it’s unlikely to get a citation for having a roommate in a single family zoned area but it’s possible especially if your neighbors don’t like you

we had some people renting a townhome that were students (I'm right next to a huge university), which was fine, except they eventually had like six in there, which was the only issue, as they ended up taking up the guest parking spots

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

shrike82 posted:

i still remember being a fresh grad over a decade ago, looking at starter apartments at 300-400 grand and feeling that'd be a big chunk of my lifetime income

my partner and i are budgeting something in 2-3 million range for the next place

not so subtle brag

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

How are you poo poo outta luck with a fixed rate mortgage if the value tanks? You live in the place and that alone has inherent value.

Back when poo poo fell apart in 2008, the smart money shows were telling people who were underwater on their mortgages to just leave their keys and abandon their homes, because "it made no sense to pay more for something than it's worth." By 2011-2012, those homes had mostly regained their value and then some, and the people / organizations that came out ahead were the ones who bought those abandoned homes out of foreclosure.

i bought in 2011 and house prices were still pretty low. I don't know if it includes foreclosed properties but prices reached a nadir around early 2012 I think.

and yeah if you have a fixed and the value tanks, well you just keep living there, but there are probably other areas with declining home values that you could move to if you want to sell anyway

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

college campuses have walkable urban design with plenty of public social space and non-car-based transit available

I live right next to the U of Minn main campus, east bank, and yeah it's nice to have that option close by, though some of the other surrounding area has made a lot of improvements as well

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

i say swears online posted:

god linoleum is so easy to clean

i mean yes but it looks horrible, that's why i only have it in closets

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

i have an alpha gx wave, it's pretty good, nightlight is clutch for dudes

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

lol, yeah the seat i got is like 230 right now

https://alphabidet.com/products/alpha-gx-wave-bidet-seat

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003


a cold water bidet is as pleasant as it sounds

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

that chart once again shows the supremacy of tile

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Ornery and Hornery posted:

I am consistently shocked by this even though it seems to be almost as common as not.

HENRY due to lifestyle creep

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

anime was right posted:

1br large living area or 2br can make sense if you wfh and actually need the desk space, but thats about it

huh

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

If you're a family earning over 100k, you are well off. That puts you in the top 15% of family incomes for millennials. I went from broke (<16k) to IT money (>100k), and it is a world of a difference. Complaints that it doesn't go far really remind me more of rich people talking about spending huge amounts of money and complaining about barely having anything left over to feed their family.

But housing costs are definitely bullshit though. More cities need to follow Minneapolis and outlaw single family zoning and minimum parking requirements. AirBnBs and owning multiple single family homes as rental properties should be illegal too. I doubt owning rental properties will go away, but some cities have pushed back against AirBnB. There are still a ton of illegal AirBnBs in those cities, but it does cut down on it significantly.

I'm in Minneapolis, and yeah I think it helped a bit, but new developments still tend to be incredibly expensive

there is a big development underway in south st. paul, bordering the mississippi river. pretty desirable area - almost all of the more expensive housing is south of 94. there had a few apartments in the rental building for lower income, but for the most part it's a few homes that are all 1m+, townhomes start at 680K, and condos start at 600K

https://www.stpaul.gov/departments/planning-and-economic-development/planning/ford-sitehighland-bridge/ford-site-zoning-4 - has some details, notice the percent for low income and the timeline (lol)

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actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Everyone Zillow your childhood home
Mine: $289,500 for a 4 bedroom ranch in a town mostly known for meth

4 br 2.5 ba, 2300 SF, built 1985, parents sold it for 253k in 2004, current zestimate is 392k

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