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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

Something tells me that people who live in rural Ontario sort of overplayed their hand and all of the people who bought little shacks at 1 million hoping to sell for 3 million are about to get owned



Good.

I'm not sure what the bigger contributor to housing inflation is, AirBNBs, or gigantic investment firms like Blackrock or Predatory Real Estate companies like Redfin. Anyway this could be fixed on a federal level by charging a vacancy tax of 100% on all non-primary residences in Urban areas.

e: Also give HUD the entirety of the pentagon budget and change the KPI's to emphasize reducing homelessness at the expense of all else.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
I put 20% down on my home and I also bought a point off the loan so I'm at %2.75. My goal is to pay less in interest then I do principle over the life of the loan. Probably not the "ideal" setup, but it's not like there is a guaranteed way to get a >8% return on cash anyway.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Mola Yam posted:




australia and canada have been at the bottom of these kinds of lists for a decade, i would cut off my nuts for a <5x median multiple, so i guess what i'm saying is stop complaining? but also it sucks everywhere.

Lol they group all of NYC as NJ,NY and PA? Yea when I tell someone to move to NYC, I actually mean 100 miles away in Pennsylvania, for sure.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Archduke Frantz Fanon posted:

also buying and just buying a new house a few years later

its like renting but worse! destroy any built up equity as you climb the housing ladder! pile up that debt!

Yep, just upgraded from a 3 bedroom workman's cottage to a 7bedroom McMansion. Help my utilities are 1500/mo, how could this happen?

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:

I'm still dealing with the identity shock of being a lifelong marxist that graduated into the 2008 recession and that lived like I was totally broke for a decade regardless of how much I was making, to having the fortune to be able to buy a townhouse in early 2020 at 2.7% and watching the value skyrocket 25%

am... am I lib now???

If you were a marxist you should know that the only thing that matters is your relation to Capital. Are you now a landlord? Then yes, you are a lib. If you own your own home, congrats you have achieved the bare minimum that all citizens would have under socialism.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Gunshow Poophole posted:

sorry i already did my time in the midwest

im currently doing it again, in upstate new york. catching glances too

:yikes:

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Lastgirl posted:

that story about the guy firing a gun outside his domicile to keep rent down around his neighborhood

good for him. any liberal upset about guns that leaves is a net good for the neighborhood.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

i say swears online posted:

an acquaintance of mine is constantly talking about minimalism and letting go of belongings, but what it means in practice is that he just hires people to do laundry, dishes, yardwork, home repair, and then eats out all the time

Reminds me of a person in Oakland who lives a "car free life" but just uber's everywhere, even places where the public transit system would take her.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

ngl, owning a large social media platform where I can profess and enforce the immortal science of marxist-leninism is a fair trade over acquiring yet another property.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

bawfuls posted:

I think it technically means 65% of housing units are owner occupied

That's way higher then I expected tbh.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Oh, you can still own, but it's going to be the inside corner of the midwest's rear end in a top hat with extremely limited job options and definitely higher property taxes to prop up what little municipal facilities haven't been bought by some conglomerate of investors.

For example, a small town's former city hall.


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/221-N-Mitchell-St-Braceville-IL-60407/2068621762_zpid/

How about an 1890s hotel?


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/233-S-Walnut-St-Arthur-IL-61911/325540045_zpid/

This one is kind of a hidden gem, "raise a big family" kind of house, nice wood work inside, but it's effectively in a sea of corn and soybeans. Those trees right up on the basement foundation probably aren't great, either.


https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/107-S-Walnut-St-Roberts-IL-60962/112572157_zpid/

Sorry I keep drawing back to Illinois but it's just familiar to me so I use it a lot. But yeah, you can own, if you uproot your life, change jobs to a much more limited market, move to the grain states and can tolerate 60s wood paneling and 70s pastel toilets.

More than a few places have tempted me to go back to Illinois, but I'm firmly against going back. Plenty of other midwestern poo poo states to choose from, none are good (IL has legal weed though).

I like chicago :shobon:
Also all of those seem cool, but I'm addicted to Urban living now so they'd all be right out for me.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

TheSlutPit posted:

I’m not even trying to be a hater but I think it’s ironic that the trust fund kids and stemlords have turned into the archetypical class enemies of the millennial/zoomer online left but “guy who made a cool $500k just by owning property” is seen like wow, congrats, lucky you.

That's not how class works. Read some theory, smh.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:

How the hell is weed illegal in most of the Midwest? It's loving depressing rust belt all over. Most cities have steadily lost population for decades until recently. You need weed to stand that poo poo.

Speaking as a dumb rear end Texas, I'm real loving glad I bought a house a few months before they jacked up interest rates. Taking months to shop for a home really wakes you up to how completely stupid housing policy is in the US. It's all structured to make housing expensive as possible. Most of the land in cities is restricted to single family homes, so that limits housing. There is no support and instead a ton of barriers in place to prevent the construction of affordable apartments. And now even the worst parts of the city are unaffordable because investors can buy property in "opportunity zones" tax free.

edit: Also stupid Houston poo poo. There is no real "zoning", so most of the new homes are built in locations that didn't have a home for a good reason. All the newer homes are next to highways or in industrial areas. Would you like a $500k home built in 2016 that is downwind from a chemical treatment facility and covered in asbestos?

Don't live in Houston, :wtc:

I'm a 7th generation texan, and even I'd never live in houston, what is wrong with you!

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Rip Testes posted:

Airbnb going to full remote model globally - 'Compensation won't change for those Airbnb employees who choose to move. Starting in June, the company will have single pay tiers by country. '

More tech companies are doing this. The one I work at has been 100% remote from the beginning and afaik, there is no difference in comp regardless of where you live. So may as well choose a nice place with not "too" expensive housing, (I chose Chicago).

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

WaryWarren posted:

gtfo gentrifier

lol

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

i say swears online posted:

the music scene is awful. live music is dead. i used to hang out in smoky bars when i was eighteen and listen to bands all the time

College in Austin was cool as gently caress, but when I went back there maybe two years ago and all of the bars on 6th st and 4th street are just the old names, but none of the atmosphere that made them good if they even still exist at all. The Library doesn't even have books anymore. The Aquarium has one wall that is an aquarium. Maggie May's has no defining characteristics. Austin City Limits is gone and replaced with condo's. Pretty sure all of the houses/bars on Rainy street are condo's now. The Iconic drag is now indistinguishable from any suburban shopping street with the same starbucks/chase bank/panera combination as all the others.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

euphronius posted:

die at 90 with no money left and no house to bequeath lol

Oh yea. All according to Keikaku. The houses will all have reverse mortgages on them and when the boomers die all they will have is medical debt.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
im looking for land near the great lakes. its all very overpriced and people are starting to parcel out the 5k acre plots with lake frontage that they bought for like 50k back in the day to ~1acre lots for houses that they are selling for 500k each :/

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

If you have to buy a house when interest rates are high or climbing, then ARMs can make sense with the idea that you would refinance to a fixed rate when interest rates lower. ARMs will typically have a lower initial interest rate then a fixed rate at the time and that allows you to put more money toward the principal potentially saving a ton of money in the long run. Doubly so if you do a 15year ARM, then refinance after like 3 years.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Ornery and Hornery posted:

I would like housing prices to go down in places that I actually want to live, rather than Duvall or Gig Harbor

100% federal vacancy tax ramping up for each additional housing unit that is not lived in by the owning entity.

1 primary residence + 1 empty "investment" property = 100% vacancy tax pro-rated weekly
1 residence + 10 investment houses = 10000% vacancy tax, per empty unit.

So blackrocks weekly tax owed would be somewhere around 70 quintillion dollars, and when they couldn't pay it, HUD would repossess houses at fair market value until the bill was paid. Simple.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Fozzy The Bear posted:

...what happens if the value of your house goes down between the time you buy a house with an ARM, and the time you want to refinance...

I know, I know! Its housing! House prices only go up! This was just a hypothetical...

Yea that sucks, but even with a fixed rate mortgage if the value tanks, you are just SoL. With an ARM, if the value tanks AND inflation drops, then maybe you won't be paying as much in interest.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

How are you poo poo outta luck with a fixed rate mortgage if the value tanks? You live in the place and that alone has inherent value.

Back when poo poo fell apart in 2008, the smart money shows were telling people who were underwater on their mortgages to just leave their keys and abandon their homes, because "it made no sense to pay more for something than it's worth." By 2011-2012, those homes had mostly regained their value and then some, and the people / organizations that came out ahead were the ones who bought those abandoned homes out of foreclosure.

I mean sure, but if you have a ARM, you can't refinance it to a fixed rate so you may end up paying like 60%+ in interest payments over the life of the loan. But yes, you would still be able to live in the house, the only purpose for a house anyway. In 2008 the people who needed to walk away were the idiots who bought interest only mortages and then "owned" like 5 houses for the intended purpose of selling them all for like 50-200% more then the initial mortgage was for. Of course those people were the ones who enabled the bubble to begin with so gently caress them.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

bawfuls posted:

A lot of this costal erosion is a result of typically shortsighted capital-driven costal management. Things like homeowners building seawalls to protect their property from storm surge which leads to faster erosion, or dams on rivers preventing silt from replenishing coastal sand, or jetties preventing that sand from being spread along the coast away from rivermouths.

In north county San Diego there's been a constant problem with bluff collapses exacerbated by wealthy development. A bluff collapse last year killed 3 people on the beach very close to a spot where a luxury hotel was doing heavy excavation/construction on the bluff. Just a few weeks ago a popular surf spot had a bluff collapse, rendering the public beach access trail inaccessible. Rich people who live in the area fought for years to stop a city plan to put more sturdy wooden staircase access in, because it would have reduced the number of parking spots. So now instead that beach will be closed all summer.

Cities around here spend millions dredging sand from local harbors & waterways to deposit on local beaches each summer after winter storms drag it all back out to sea.

Hawaii, Maui is a test case of this. Hawaii for 1000's of years had some of the best beaches in the world, dumbass developers came in, created private beaches with seawalls etc to section off parts of it for exclusive resorts, and now Hawaii has to import some sickening amount of sand every year from Australia, otherwise the beach will erode to nothing.

Of course the democrats of the state blame climate change (which obviously is real, but isn't the primary cuase of the erosion), it's the lovely shore-line management that has been enabled by wanton policies to allow Hilton et al to build on the beach, instead of offset sufficiently to prevent shore errosion.
https://www.hawaii.edu/news/2018/12/10/failure-to-protect-beaches-rising-sea-level/

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

we spent $27k on a new air conditioner (and ducts) last summer, it took a solid week to install, they had to use a crane it was cool as hell

My home is a townhouse so in order to do new ducting we would have to rip out all the ceilings and many of the walls, assuming we could even find someone that would do it. So I'll just have to live with lovely air-circulation until we eventually move :/

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

euphronius posted:

just get ductless

that is inefficient compared to central HVAC if you have more then 2 rooms, or multiple floors and a lack of exterior walls/interior rooms. Unless ductless is something different then I'm thinking.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

euphronius posted:

I mean compared to not getting anything it seems fine ?

Yea my situation isn't ideal. But I don't want to have additional HVAC systems. I already have a two-zone house because it's a vertically oriented house. If I were doing it from scratch, I'd probably consider a multizone ductless system instead.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

TheSlutPit posted:

lol I genuinely hope all the techlords who bought houses on RSUs-as-income get burned. Except for my one friend who lucked into a non-technical amazon job, bought a house in white center last year, and just had a kid :/

The people who cashed out RSU's won't get burned since they already got their wealth and any additional value the house they bought has beyond a living space is just a bonus. Also what do you envision it means for "high-earners" getting burned and if they are getting burned how are you not being hunted for food at the same time?

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

TheSlutPit posted:

It’s common in Seattle. Most of the faang types get paid like 100-150k a year in cash, but for the real money people the difference is made up in free stock. The cash salary isnt enough to buy a house but you can report stock vests as income so you get mortgages upwards of $1M backed by future stock earnings.

This is true. But if you are getting a mortage that your salary can't pay, you are just an idiot. 150k/yr salary can absolutely afford a 4k/mo 30yr mortage (~800k). The RSU's just lets you afford the down payment.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

TheSlutPit posted:

That’s right, but lol if you think people are buying 800k homes when their 2021 W2 says 300k.

I bought a 600k home and used my ESPP for the down payment. :shobon:

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

"lower" and "upper" middle class are fake ideas fyi

:hmmyes:

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Salt Fish posted:

There are 400 people in the US who are worth more than $2.9bn. If these people make 5% of their net worth each year that would be 125 million in passive income. This means that the person making 20k is earning 0.00016x their salary and the person making 150k is making 0.0012x their salary.

Those fuckers making 150k. They are the real problem! Not me, I am morally pure because society has deemed to pay me 20k/yr and I don't hate my employer, I say "thank you for your service."

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

i say swears online posted:

i'm not saying every high earner is elon musk wealthy, i'm saying it's easy to avoid lifestyle creep and not doordash every meal. wsj regularly publishes "i make 500k and i barely get by" budget breakdown articles and they're essentially just trolling for engagement

Those are click-bait aritcles taht have nothing to do with real people or real economic circumstances.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

WaryWarren posted:

I make half of 150k and live in the "sketchy" part of my city, because 1) I'm not sheltered 2) it's safe just a little old and worn down 3) not racist unlike the spoiled whites that work at Mayo 4) I grew up alternately between middle class and in public housing. So, I'm used to different people and living with not much.

You are so virtuous and I'm glad you made sure to tell us you weren't racist.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

mark immune posted:

if your place is larger than this or if you have more furniture than this, u might be a 1%er



Wat the gently caress? TWO LAPTOPS? Geez, straight to the guillotine with you. I bet you are a gentrifying rear end in a top hat, even having a camera to take a picture of your palatial living arrangement.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

WaryWarren posted:

better than being a racist in the chicago thread, cock.

Calling out racist assumptions wrt housing and gentrification isn't being racist, sweetie :angel:

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

TheSlutPit posted:

There’s nothing wrong with making $150k, but for many ppl it’s roughly the income level where you start being able to convert surplus cash into passive income. I actually have less of a problem with the $150k guy who’s goin nuts and spending all their money and having fun vs the guy trying to leverage it into landlording or real estate speculation.

This is a good take. Passive income is an insidious ideal that is pushed at all income levels without any analysis or reflection on how a society could exist with everyone being a landlord.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:

Everyone Zillow your childhood home
Mine: $289,500 for a 4 bedroom ranch in a town mostly known for meth

Whoa. They tore out the gardens and the old oak tree in the back yard is dead. 200k, when we moved out of it ~35 years ago my parents sold it for 60k.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

This guy gets it. But why is this in the housing thread?

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

TheSlutPit posted:

haha remember when that guy in NY used “the rent is too drat high” as a meme while running his farcical electoral bid? Crazy how much that would resonate with people if it hadn’t been presented as a joke for some reason. Oh well.

Well he was a joke in other ways, but yea it was a solid slogan.

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Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

External Organs posted:

Not even West Virginia is free of this bubble.



Note: house is uninhabitable.

How much land is in that lot? 250k would be a good deal if it were like 3000acres or something.

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