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Aramoro posted:Only If you get the right random events and choose the right option in the Cassia storyline that gives you points. Even then I assume you mean the trunk routes because best will in the world you cannot turn every route green. There’s a colony building on Dargonus that drops the cost of making new routes to 1 - I guess if you beelined for it then explored afterwards, it might work? I saved Dargonus til last as I assumed finishing it would trigger the coronation and add another time limited quest.
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My first playthrough I literally did not once get any of the bonus nav points events and my second playthrough I got the warp reefs event (+6) multiple times. It is true that you don't need nav points to beat the game, but if you aren't getting those random events to spawn you only have enough nav points to make a direct route between all your colonies green as opposed to everything. Also you technically don't need to make every route green if you can put up with being annoyed because yellow routes only have text encounters and can give you the reefs event.
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the random route ambushes suck because they're the worst kind of combat: 1. Lots of enemies so it takes a while to finish 2. no unique loot or XP rewards 3. basically zero chance you lose so they're not really a challenge real busywork. when I play through for real after the new companions are added (when is that happening anyways?) and bugs are fixed I'll probably still toybox it out
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Apr 25, 2024 18:58
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The biggest draw of going heretic is being able to skip the warp fights. I mean, it's also a pretty well done path in general, but skipping those fights...
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Apr 26, 2024 16:33
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I found when I beat the game relatively near release that I'd almost entirely get cool story bits with yellow routes but usually have a fight with orange routes. So you can save on some navigator points by not making everything green.
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Apr 26, 2024 16:44
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Talkie Toaster posted:I assumed paths would become less deadly after multiple trips. Seems weird that you can do the Foulstone to Footfall run a dozen times and each is still just as hard as the first. Normally you don't get to make safe paths through the Warp and most ships are risking their souls every time they go in. That's inside the Imperium, where things are relatively safe.
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Relevant Tangent posted:Normally you don't get to make safe paths through the Warp and most ships are risking their souls every time they go in. That's inside the Imperium, where things are relatively safe. It's not so much making safe paths as finding them. While the Warp tends to shift a lot there's certain routes that stay stable for certain amounts of time (for a certain definition of stable). If I recall from one of the tabletop versions you can obtain maps of those stable routes to help with the navigation tests. There's also certain entities that make the warp grow calmer but we don't really have access to them. Well, we might, but they aren't our navigator.
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There's also Admech nonsense that lets you do without Navigators entirely. Any time the Navigator Houses realize they've rediscovered it or found an old example of it that ship gets brutally destroyed.
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Relevant Tangent posted:There's also Admech nonsense that lets you do without Navigators entirely. Any time the Navigator Houses realize they've rediscovered it or found an old example of it that ship gets brutally destroyed. Predates the Admech I believe. That kind of nonsense tends to be from the DAoT.
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The Lone Badger posted:Predates the Admech I believe. That kind of nonsense tends to be from the DAoT.
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I don't know where it would be, probably some gamebook, but could easily make short jumps in the warp, i.e Tau, using purely technology, but once humanity 'created' the navigator gene they went from local systems to galaxy spanning empire.
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pentyne posted:I don't know where it would be, probably some gamebook, but could easily make short jumps in the warp, i.e Tau, using purely technology, but once humanity 'created' the navigator gene they went from local systems to galaxy spanning empire. That’s Chartist captains, who make up the majority of intra-Imperium trade. Once you enter the Warp you’re flying completely blind, but if you’re following long-established well-charted routes and frequently drop back into realspace to check your position you’ll usually arrive where you’re going. Usually.
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Are there any beginner's guides to builds for this game? This is my first exposure to owlcat so all the builds options are... overwhelming
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Jinnigan posted:Are there any beginner's guides to builds for this game? This is my first exposure to owlcat so all the builds options are... overwhelming The neoseeker guides are good and generally avoid the super cheesy meta bullshit
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Jinnigan posted:Are there any beginner's guides to builds for this game? This is my first exposure to owlcat so all the builds options are... overwhelming You can mostly just follow your heart and everything will work out in the end. You got a cool plasma gun you want to use? Take Plasma guns, you don't? Then don't.
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An advantage to the game throwing you a level up every 5 minutes is that you really don't have buyer's regret, and there are only a few 'necessary combinations' that become evident as you play on - most level ups just add another stacking bonus to doing stuff. This isn't like Pathfinder where a sub-optimal choice at level 3 fucks your character over for the rest of the game. The only firm advice I'd have is with the companions to lean into their unique class/background skills whenever you have the chance. Like if you build Cassia as an Officer and not as a Navigator then you are barking up the wrong path.
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May 8, 2024 09:23
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Is there any way to get out of Comorragh with your party intact and all bullshit stat penalties removed without begging and groveling to the Slyth boss/the Haemonculus? There's a couple of skill checks when talking to the Slyth, but they're all at like -100.
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Mr. Sunshine posted:Is there any way to get out of Comorragh with your party intact and all bullshit stat penalties removed without begging and groveling to the Slyth boss/the Haemonculus? There's a couple of skill checks when talking to the Slyth, but they're all at like -100. I got most of the MC's stat penalties automatically removed without a single skill check near the start. For the Haemonculus, you can trade him various special body parts for favours. Some parts are gated behind skill tests, some you get automatically.
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Jinnigan posted:Are there any beginner's guides to builds for this game? This is my first exposure to owlcat so all the builds options are... overwhelming What others said, you can mostly follow your heart, but I can give certain recommendations. Note that this is not all-compassing and there are many, many different builds and synergies. Just suggestions. For common talents, always consider the ones that boost Characteristics by +5 and Swift Movements (more MP), and Nimble (more dodge). For characters with their own special talents, like Psykers, Navigators, or Tech-Priest, take a look at them at some point, many are very strong. When it comes to skills, check what the character's highest stats and are and specialize on a few skills that match it. For example, Argenta can go Demolitions, Abelard Athletics and Carouse, Pascal takes care of Logic and Tech-Use and you should probably pick up Medicae with Soldier (ranged bursts and AoEs): Level Ballistic Skill above all, then Agility and Perception. If you intend to use heavy weapons get Strength to 35, but no more. For abilities, Rapid Fire and Concentrated Fire. For talents, absolutely pick Swift Slaughter as early as possible. Unpredictable, Second Skin, and Rapid Reload are must-picks, and then depending on preferences, either Demolition Engineer OR Unfaltering Fire (AoE vs Burst). Good common talents for heavy weapon build are Heavy Weapon Proficiency, Overpower and Breaking Point. For your second Archetype Soldiers should ALWAYS go Arch-Militant. Officer (buff others and give extra actions): If you're Cassia, go more into Navigator talents and powers and level Willpower first, then Perception, and lastly Fellowship. Non-Navigator should level Fellowship above all. Good all-rounder abilities for non-Navigator are Move, Move, Move and Air of Authority. For talents, Commanding Voice, Steel Resolve, Lasting Impression, Seize the Initiative, No Respite. Officer's second Archetype should always be Master Tactician. Warrior (melee tank): Strength is not all-important, Weapon Skill is. Toughness and Agility also useful. If you are Hendrix, Willpower and Weapon Skill. Sworn Enemy and Taunting Scream are your go-to abilities for Abelard. Talents: Thick Skin, Clenched Teeth, Hardened Scars, Desolation and Ramming Speed. Go Vanguard or Arch-Militant for Abelard, and either Assassin or Vanguard for Hendrix, doesn't matter too much for him. Operative (debuffs, ranged single-target): Go ranged, level Ballistic Skill, Intelligence and Perception. If Idira, ignore almost everything operative, focus on psyker powers and talents. If Pascal, read their special talents carefully, many are good. If not, here's some suggestions. For abilities, pick two of Precise Attack, Joint Analysis, Perfect Spot or Tactical Knowledge. For talents, Passive Learning, Tide of Excellence, Ballistics Calculation, Joint Offence, and Sharpshooter are all good, Instant Exposure is not bad with certain weapons. Pascal or Idira should go for Grand Strategist, maybe both if you do not ever intend to use them at the same time. Bounty Hunter is acceptable also. Warden fucked around with this message at 19:28 on May 8, 2024 |
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It's probably worth explaining the leveling system briefly since the tutorial doesn't tell you much about it. You pick your first archetype at level 1, and from 1 to 15 you will level up in that archetype. The archetype determines what you can learn at each level. At level 16 you pick a second-tier archetype and level that up until level 35. Characteristics - Strength, Willpower, etc. You will get 5 characteristic increases between level 1 to level 15, and you may only choose each characteristic at most twice total (and after the second archetype, at most four times). These are pretty straightforward since the archetype already restricts you to characteristics that are useful for it. Abilities - These are activated hotbar abilities. You will get to learn 2 of these for the archetype (out of a selection of 5). If your character is a psyker or navigator, you get to pick those abilities in place of archetype abilities if you wish. Skills - Athletics, Lore, etc. These are similar to Characteristics in that you can only pick each skill at most twice. This means for each character you should pick up to two skills for them to specialize in. Most skill checks in the game are made with the highest skill level of anyone in your active party, there are a few places where only the Rogue Trader's skill matters (mostly for Persuasion/Coercion), and very rare instances where a single companion's skill is checked. On missions you should make sure at least Athletics, Tech Use, and Demolitions (and later on Lore Xenos) are covered. Talents - Passive bonuses. These are divided into Archetype talents, Common talents, and Background talents. When leveling you will get some number of "Talent" level-ups and some other "Common Talent" level-ups. For a generic "Talent" level-up you can pick from any of the three categories, while for "Common Talent" level-ups you can only pick from Common/Background talents. So if there are some archetype talents that you want, then make sure you don't miss your chance to get them. If your character is a psyker then there are also a bunch of "Psi Rating +1" talents that you need to take; those come out of the Background talent pool. You have three free respecs per character so don't worry too much about messing it up, and it's far more likely for you to end up with an overpowered party than a weak one.
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For reference: I had a moment halfway through my game where I thought 'oh I understand what's important now, I can respec'. And I just never did because it was too much hassle. In the final act of the game I just didn't bother with the last 10 levels or so because they were so irrelevant and I was winning every fight in the first action turn on hard.
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I wonder when they’re going to unveil the first DLC properly. The Season Pass said it would have a June release.
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Just finished my first playthrough. Game is really good! I followed the neoseeker guides for companions and did my own for my Rogue Trader and yeah by probably mid act 3 I was winning most fights during Cassia's strategist free action at the beginning. There are some really busted combos of gear/equipment you can end up with and several characters went through periods where they were the MVP in part because I found some gear that really elevated them in their role. I remembered that during the beta people were saying void combat was really hard but it appears to have been nicely rebalanced. I had lots of fun with it and never really felt truly threatened after I understood how it worked and got some new equipment. As for complaints, I think my biggest ones are about warp travel events (repetitive after a while, not really enough navigator points to make travel not take forever), lack of good signposting for where to go for companion quests and side quests on the galaxy map (meaning there is a lot of going back and forth between the journal and map trying to find where to go), and the number of long load screens you need to go through to do some things. Ending wise: I really liked that they made all of the ending still nicely 40K bleak, even the nice guy iconoclast ending which was basically that I set up an enclave of relative goodness enforced by the chained star god allied with my trader dynasty, lol. I was sad but I guess not surprised in retrospect that Argenta ended up as a sister repentia because I caused her doubt in her righteousness. My companions, save for Henrix (whose companion quests never fired for some reason), ended up with what I would consider their best endings. I guess I don't know if Yrliets outcast ending or Pascal's Amarant ending is "best." I plan to play through again once there is some DLC. Overall: solid 8 or 9 out of 10 for me. Very engrossing despite some warts. I felt it was better than definitive edition Wrath of the Righteous since it doesn't have that same abysmal heroes of might and magic ripoff game, the mechanics were a lot more forgiving so you can mess around with builds and gear and still succeed, and I liked the overall plot of RT more.
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Olanphonia posted:I felt it was better than definitive edition Wrath of the Righteous since it doesn't have that same abysmal heroes of might and magic ripoff game, the mechanics were a lot more forgiving so you can mess around with builds and gear and still succeed, and I liked the overall plot of RT more. I didn't dislike WotR HoMM attempts (or at least disliked it less than Pathfinder-based tactical combat) but I do wonder why OwlCat attempts to do it again and again. I understand OwlCat has a thing for promising a lot of things with their games that fulfill some power fantasy without really reflecting it in the game as much as you might expect (as a great leader you still examine every recycle bin for something useful) but this strategic combat from WotR and RT doesn't seem to be reflective of that fantasy. Or maybe it's just me?
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Every single "extra" mode Owlcat does is very divisive.
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RT space combat is pretty fun though. Definitely the most tolerable and even enjoyable Owlcat minigame.
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ilitarist posted:I didn't dislike WotR HoMM attempts (or at least disliked it less than Pathfinder-based tactical combat) but I do wonder why OwlCat attempts to do it again and again. I understand OwlCat has a thing for promising a lot of things with their games that fulfill some power fantasy without really reflecting it in the game as much as you might expect (as a great leader you still examine every recycle bin for something useful) but this strategic combat from WotR and RT doesn't seem to be reflective of that fantasy. Or maybe it's just me? The ship combat is probably the least egregious in that it is relatively simple, and only really hamstrung by the fact that you only have one ship and maybe a single NPC ship if you did the colony development for it. Colony development falls further down the list because it doesn't really hit the "this is where you derive your real power from" feeling. Profit Factor is a little too abstract and only rarely used for the kind of large sweeping projects. And since Rogue Trader is focused on the character RPG aspect and not the grand strategy aspect of being a Rogue Trader, it can't really develop into that 'sector sovereign' fantasy. It's good enough, but too shallow to be satisfying.
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I really liked the ship combat, it was very novel. I wish there was more of it, and it seems like one of the DLCs will focus on it.
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I think one of my favorite parts was actually the Euphrates II invasion storybook sequence, because it nailed the "I'm a leader in Warhammer 40k" vibe. You're not charging in yourself, you're sending an armored regiment to breach the front line, and only getting involved yourself when something suitably heroic is needed. It threads the needle pretty well in most places so this isn't so much a criticism as me going, "Yes! More of this please!" edit: Also telling the Space Marines and the AdMech where to stuff it because they've done nothing but bicker and that you are in command now is a great big dick moment.
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There's a game to be made about being an Imperium Crusade commander and trying to manage the infighting as you try to corral a bunch of feudal factions to support a war machine of billions invading a hundred star systems.
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Schubalts posted:Every single "extra" mode Owlcat does is very divisive. That's being kind. Kingdom Mode could easily break your game and lock you into a fail state. Wrath's campaign mode was endlessly tedious and despite trying to convince you off all the great possible army units you could hire the best options were just upgraded for max damage archers, footman, clerics, and hellknights because there was no reason to take high defense units at all. You also needed a general with the firebolt spell to kill enemies and hope the enemy general didn't do the same. The colony management and ship combat feel extremely bare bones compared to those other minigames. They definitely removed a lot of planned ideas, probably for the better, and while it's kind of boring for the most part it is not an impediment to the core gameplay or anything. You'd be hard pressed to completely gently caress up your game progress via bad choices from the colony and ship stuff, unless you somehow waste all your ship EXP and naval trophies on the least effective options.
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Jack Trades posted:I really liked the ship combat, it was very novel. I wish there was more of it, and it seems like one of the DLCs will focus on it. Now that I know some people liked it I don't feel as bad about Owlcat's decisions. Also I too liked the book representation of big battle. If all of the space combat would be replaced by something like that I'd be happier. ilitarist fucked around with this message at 20:19 on May 10, 2024 |
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pentyne posted:That's being kind. Kingdom Mode could easily break your game and lock you into a fail state. Oh, I am 100% on the "these things suck" side, but even the Kingmaker system still had some people who liked it. Not making a statement of value (I wish the money and effort put into them was put into the rest of the games instead), just saying that opinions have been very love it or hate it for each of them.
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Schubalts posted:Oh, I am 100% on the "these things suck" side, but even the Kingmaker system still had some people who liked it. Not making a statement of value (I wish the money and effort put into them was put into the rest of the games instead), just saying that opinions have been very love it or hate it for each of them. Yeah, I absolutely loved the kingdom management of Kingmaker. It was probably my overall favorite part of the game, and really lent a sense of growth and development to your kingdom. But most people hated it.
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Sandwich Anarchist posted:Yeah, I absolutely loved the kingdom management of Kingmaker. It was probably my overall favorite part of the game, and really lent a sense of growth and development to your kingdom. But most people hated it. I liked what it was trying to do. It was half the reason I tried Kingmaker in the first place. But the execution was hot garbage. Just utterly unsatisfying.
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Only book thing I disliked was that mandatory one in Act 3 that would often outright kill you. Failed the check on that like 3x in a row
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The ship combat was easily the best Owlcat mini game so far. But if they could just port Battlefleet Gothic into the game that would have been perfect. And ditch the colony management or make it good.
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It's because Owlcat is slavishly trying to fit to how it works in the modules and the kingdom management is a big part of Kingmaker. I presume it's the same for battles in Wrath but that isn't in PF2E so I haven't actually played the tabletop of that module.
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Oh I can't remember if I posted a trip report after week 1 of my tabletop Rogue Trader game. It was excellent. Received a distress call from myself in the future. Promised my boss I would ignore it. 10/10 no notes
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