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reversefungi
Nov 27, 2003

Master of the high hat!
Kenny Barron just released his first solo album in many years a few weeks back. Absolutely worth checking out:

https://youtu.be/0p4z_ihfjTI

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a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

zenguitarman posted:

Really want to know how Dave King bad plus drummer :) chris speed plays tenor sax and Julian Lage got together. Their personalities seem nothing alike, but their playing is so on point.

lol i didn't even realize what i did, yes

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Recently found the first jazz artist that made sense to me: Ornette Coleman. Any obvious places to go from there?

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

Sun Ra is a good starting point as are the later albums of John coltrane (especially ascension and afterwards)

What draws you to Coleman?

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Recently found the first jazz artist that made sense to me: Ornette Coleman. Any obvious places to go from there?

Did you listen to The Shape of Jazz to Come? Charlie Haden and Don Cherry both had prolific careers in free jazz. Personally I like Haden but don’t care for Cherry.

Keith Jarrett if you wind up liking Charlie Haden.

FartingBedpost
Aug 24, 2015





KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Recently found the first jazz artist that made sense to me: Ornette Coleman. Any obvious places to go from there?

I recommend Eric Dolphy, specifically “Out to Lunch”.

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



if you wanna go more far out into the free jazz stuff id reccomend Albert Ayler

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





KICK BAMA KICK posted:

Recently found the first jazz artist that made sense to me: Ornette Coleman. Any obvious places to go from there?

folks have said the obvious choices, but I have to mention Pharoah Sanders as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZW0xvo_DB0

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Thanks everyone for the suggestions!

Smoking Crow posted:

What draws you to Coleman?
Not sure really -- I'd had the same experience as a lot of people over the years, occasionally listening to a few of the top things that will get listed as jazz for beginners and had no complaint but none of it ever stuck with me; then last week I think I was just clicking around some topics in music and wound up looking at the Wikipedia page for free jazz. The Shape of Jazz to Come was one of the first things mentioned and I put it on and for whatever reason it held my attention. Liked Virgin Beauty a lot too.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

drat Jimmy really pulled out all the stops with the "Entertainment" for the Shah

mawarannahr posted:

lol check this poo poo out
https://www.jimmycarterlibrary.gov/assets/documents/state_dinner_menus.pdf

quote:


## Dinner:

- Mousse of Sole with Salmon Hearts
- Sebastini Pinot Chardonnay 1976


- Supreme of Pheasant
- Wild Rice
- California Broccoli
- Charles Krug Cabernet Sauvignon 1973


- Watercress and Mushroom Salad
- Trappist Cheese


- Hanns Kornell Brut
- Frozen Praline Crown with Chocolate Pears
- Demitasse


## Entertainment:

- Sarah Vaughn (Carl Schroeder, Piano; Walter Booker, Bass; Jimmy Cobb, Drums)
- Dizzy Gillespie (Rodney Jones, Guitar; Benjamin Brown, Bass; Mickey Roker, Drums)
- Willis Conover (Narrator)


### Selections:

- Blues for Charlie Parker (Vaughan-Gillespie)
- How High the Moon/Ornithology (Lewis-Hamilton/Harris) Round Midnight (Monk-Williams-Hanighen)
- Misty (Garner-Burke)
- Lover Man (Ramirez-Davis-Sherman)
- Salt Peanuts (Gillespie-Clarke)
- Summertime (Gershwin-Heyward)

I'm not big on the Grammys, but I was happy to see Samara Joy get well-deserved recognition this year. (Best New Artist)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X03lvK7qoco

JamesKPolk
Apr 9, 2009

Smoking Crow posted:

I have no help for you other than check out Manfredo Fest


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T132--erIgo

Thanks this kicks rear end

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
Wayne Shorter died. :( Dude had a hell of a career.

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/768874324/wayne-shorter-sage-of-the-saxophone-dies-at-89

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

drat. RIP.

Shorter's Wikipedia page is wild. He did so much.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XvJFW0DHbU

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
The big beat is prob my fave jazz messengers album and he's great on it. Love a bit of weather report as well. RIP to an all-time guy

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

the sex ghost posted:

RIP to an all-time guy

zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather


Dude was making new poo poo right up to his final days. One of the last OGs.

KonMari DeathMetal
Dec 20, 2009
I am learning to like jazz, and I'm not sure how to describe what kind I'm looking for. I like the really intense chaotic sounding type, is that hard jazz or something else? Any recommendations for finding more?

Smoking Crow
Feb 14, 2012

*laughs at u*

KonMari DeathMetal posted:

I am learning to like jazz, and I'm not sure how to describe what kind I'm looking for. I like the really intense chaotic sounding type, is that hard jazz or something else? Any recommendations for finding more?

Do you mean something like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPDzlSda8P8

Or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M283JFxesic

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

Intense and chaotic as descriptors makes me think of "free jazz" or "avant garde jazz". A lot of musicians fit into these categories, including Ornette Coleman, Pharoah Sanders, Alice Coltrane, Sun Ra, among others.

I don't think "hard jazz" is a recognized subgenre. There's "hard bop", but that isn't very chaotic in comparison. Clifford Brown was active at the beginning of hard bop (died in a car accident at 25). Many popular jazz musicians were associated with hard bop from the mid 50s through the mid 60s.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


KonMari DeathMetal posted:

I am learning to like jazz, and I'm not sure how to describe what kind I'm looking for. I like the really intense chaotic sounding type, is that hard jazz or something else? Any recommendations for finding more?

OP, do these tickle your fancy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAK7BkVWgyc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0FcKOfRgvE

Mingus had a wide compositional range (all good), but maybe you would like his uptempo stuff?

woodenchicken
Aug 19, 2007

Nap Ghost

KonMari DeathMetal posted:

I am learning to like jazz, and I'm not sure how to describe what kind I'm looking for. I like the really intense chaotic sounding type, is that hard jazz or something else? Any recommendations for finding more?
Can't go wrong with Peter Brotzmann:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHTDPx8LpuQ

KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Digging into some of the stuff I got recommended and enjoying all the music but even aside from that Sun Ra is obviously fascinating, is the 1998 biography of him any good?

a.p. dent
Oct 24, 2005

KonMari DeathMetal posted:

I am learning to like jazz, and I'm not sure how to describe what kind I'm looking for. I like the really intense chaotic sounding type, is that hard jazz or something else? Any recommendations for finding more?

i think Monk sounds chaotic and intense, but YMMV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLopWusx-ZU

Kvlt!
May 19, 2012



Doesnt get more chaotic and intense than Ayler https://youtu.be/m_5UQCb5vlA

zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather


In NYC this weekend, who should I see?

Ravi Coltrane with Robin Eubanks at Blue Note, or..

Ben Wendel with Julian Lage and Larry Goldings at the Village Vanguard

KonMari DeathMetal
Dec 20, 2009
Thanks for the recommendations! Ive liked most of them so far.

It seems what I was originally looking for is the free-form improv. Which kind of now has me wondering if there are any bands that play jazz style but with heavy distortions and effects? Unless that goes against the jazz sound entirely. I'm new and dumb at jazz.

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009

KonMari DeathMetal posted:

Thanks for the recommendations! Ive liked most of them so far.

It seems what I was originally looking for is the free-form improv. Which kind of now has me wondering if there are any bands that play jazz style but with heavy distortions and effects? Unless that goes against the jazz sound entirely. I'm new and dumb at jazz.

You might like The Comet is Coming if youre not already aware of them, was the first thing I thought of. Summon The Fire is a banger

caligulamprey
Jan 23, 2007

It never stops.

KonMari DeathMetal posted:

It seems what I was originally looking for is the free-form improv. Which kind of now has me wondering if there are any bands that play jazz style but with heavy distortions and effects?
John Zorn's Naked City might be more up your alley, though there's a couple of newer Metal bands like Imperial Triumphant or Neptunian Maximalism which have heavy Jazz influences that also might be of interest:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7yB4wcOoy4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OepwSnRrtpY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LT91GO5BsM

caligulamprey fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Mar 7, 2023

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


KonMari DeathMetal posted:

Thanks for the recommendations! Ive liked most of them so far.

It seems what I was originally looking for is the free-form improv. Which kind of now has me wondering if there are any bands that play jazz style but with heavy distortions and effects? Unless that goes against the jazz sound entirely. I'm new and dumb at jazz.

maybe miles' Pangaea/Agharta/Dark Magus live trilogy

coltrane's last live recording might be up your alley too, recorded in a gym and sounds like poo poo (but imo in a good way, tho i think some hate it), the 2 times throughout these 35 minutes the favorite things melody is played in full are 2 of my favorite moments music, especially the first one pharaoh does and john comes in like a banshee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjDrkTmqxQk&t=603s

also zorn, comet is coming, and neptunian maximalism per prior posters

A human heart
Oct 10, 2012

KonMari DeathMetal posted:

Thanks for the recommendations! Ive liked most of them so far.

It seems what I was originally looking for is the free-form improv. Which kind of now has me wondering if there are any bands that play jazz style but with heavy distortions and effects? Unless that goes against the jazz sound entirely. I'm new and dumb at jazz.

it might be the case that you're not actually looking for jazz as such. there is jazz with effects and distortion especially more recent artists but if you want that to be the focus you are likely to be getting into jazz adjacent stuff that is not strictly speaking jazz, for example free improv proper is really its own beast from jazz at least in the european tradition, even though there are musicians who have worked in both. there's an entire genre called EAI which is electronic free improv but this tends to sound more like recordings of fridges than anything really loud or harsh so you might not like it so much. you could try early AMM maybe since they were pretty loud and abrasive, they were an important group in early free improv.
you might try listening to masayuki takayanagi, who was a guitarist in the japanese free jazz scene and did some legendarily noisy and abrasive records. the noisest ones are the ones he did with his group new direction unit as well as the collab stuff with similarly abrasive saxophonist kaoru abe.
i think you would probably like the band last exit, which was made up of sonny sharrock, peter brotzmann, bill laswell and ronald shannon jackson. these guys were all veteran jazz musicians although the music is basically a kind of freeform jazz rock, but it's very good regardless of what you call it.
another group you might check out is borbetomagus who have been making extremely harsh free improv since the 80s and they are cool, they were an important influence in the later japanese noise scene(which has little to do with jazz but it's something you might want to investigate if you just want music that is all about distortion and effects).

lifg
Dec 4, 2000
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Muldoon
Jazz is great because I’ll be listening to Dark Magus, and Tatu will come on, and it’s the coolest, funkiest thing I’ve heard.

Jazz is awful because I’ll look up the album and the track, and click through to the guitarist, and find out he did three things and died at 30.

Major Operation
Jan 1, 2006

Jazz is great/awful: Emily Remler is a jazz guitarist I just recently discovered. Died at 32.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjjkywlSMXU

the sex ghost
Sep 6, 2009
Listening to this today and just having a lovely old time

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_koK01penlGOTg3yUCoTPaLiUM6t2Xq4uk

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


Whoa this is great.

lifg
Dec 4, 2000
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Muldoon
I’ve been listening to Jazz for three months, and I finally found an album I just don’t like. For Alto by Braxton.

For people who like it, what are you hearing that I’m missing?

zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather


Another absolute legend gone. RIP Ahmad Jamal. One of my favorite hip hop samples by J Dilla too. Crazy that it comes like, 8 minutes into Swahililand.

https://youtu.be/BhJCMKXzGv8

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine
drat. I was just starting to get into him and was amazed that he was still around. Bought At the Pershing a while back but didn't get around to it right away. I'm also digging Chamber Music of the New Jazz.

We're gonna run out of these guys sooner rather than later :sigh:

zenguitarman
Apr 6, 2009

Come on, lemme see ya shake your tail feather


I really like With The Assai Quartet for that proper "Chamber Music" 3rd Stream I guess, vibe.

Poinciana is amazing too. He has such an amazing touch.

The Wiggly Wizard
Aug 21, 2008


RIP Ahmad Jamal. Effortlessly cool music. I got to see him live as a kid at Yoshi's.

I've been listening to more John Handy. Unfortunately a lot of his catalog is not on Apple Music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XC8qPmuxKk

And I heard this Sonny Rollins recording on the radio the other day. He's got such a great sense of humor
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_NNnEkUq8

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KICK BAMA KICK
Mar 2, 2009

Following up on the stuff people recommended to me a while ago I went from Dolphy to Mingus and this poo poo rules.

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