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Quackles posted:Exactly this. Rise From the Ashes is like a symphony - you need to sit through the quiet bits at first, but oh boy can it get loud. It's more like the early part is a cacophony of irritating noise (Angel Star, Meekins) before it actually picks up the tempo.
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's more like the early part is a cacophony of irritating noise (Angel Star, Meekins) before it actually picks up the tempo. Can't have a symphony without the orchestra tuning up 
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Truthkeeper posted:I could swear we already determined that Gant isn't allowed to talk anymore after invoking his right to refuse to testify. So why the gently caress is he still up there talking? 
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For all the ridiculous telenovela melodrama of this game series, when it hits, it HITS.
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I fell for the trap of presenting evidence too early. It's a good one. I mean presenting evidence is always the right thing to do! It's always the good choice so far! But that gets turned on its head. Good stuff.
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Truthkeeper posted:I could swear we already determined that Gant isn't allowed to talk anymore after invoking his right to refuse to testify. So why the gently caress is he still up there talking? Eh, it's an "everything you say can [and will] be used against you" situation. Nick could move to have Gant's outburst stricken from the record, but he just tied his own noose so  he should have taken Edge's advice  Just sit back, relax...
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Truthkeeper posted:I could swear we already determined that Gant isn't allowed to talk anymore after invoking his right to refuse to testify. So why the gently caress is he still up there talking? Crucially, Gant can't testify. He hasn't said anything that we can cross-examine, after all. His only defense has been to present evidence, or in this case, to browbeat Phoenix into presenting the evidence on his behalf.
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I think him admitting to arranging the crime scene before Lana found it would count as testimony (though we're not cross-examining it), but that just means Wrighto/Worthy/Udgey have the right to tell him to shut up. I don't think they're obligated to do so, though, and at least two of them realize he's digging his own grave.
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Truthkeeper posted:I could swear we already determined that Gant isn't allowed to talk anymore after invoking his right to refuse to testify. So why the gently caress is he still up there talking? he can't say green words
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Part 163: Episode 5, Final Day, Trial Latter 2: Phase Three  This picture is the key, as I explained when we first got it. (Interesting note: We did get a fourth page of evidence when we got that picture.)   And what exactly is this supposed to be...?Sound: Realization  This is the picture Ms. Skye took. Take a good look at it. Sound: Wipe   Yes... His shirt is showing underneath.Sound: Light Bulb    Oh! But that piece of cloth...Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Wipe  Sound: Realization quote:Nothing else will work here: Music: Silence  Since Ema Skye's fingerprints are on this cloth, there's no doubt that she shoved the prosecutor aside! Sound: Desk Slam However! Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Objection Music: Pressing Pursuit - Cornered No! Th-this is nonsense!Sound: Stab Now then, Chief Gant. Let me ask you something. Prosecutor Marshall was not impaled when he was shoved aside. If so, then tell me. Who could it have been? Who could have arrived at the scene before Ms. Lana Skye,  Sound: Objection Hnnngngghgghh...  Sound: Realization A jar that they then broke on purpose, to leave behind a clue, Sound: Desk Slam  Sound: Objection ... Remember what you admitted only moments ago? Ironic, isn't it? Through the very act of creating "insurance,"Music: Silence  Sound: Damage 2 + Drama Pound  Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Objection Sound: Desk Slam Sound: Drama Pound Phase 3 complete! (It's finally all over...)  Sound: Drama Pound  Sound: Shock 2 x 3 Sound: Wipe  Sound: Drama Pound One last gasp for Gant? What an interesting new sprite. Reminds me a lot of our first real villain, when we had him on the ropes:   Heh... Heh heh heh! Oh ho ho ho ho ho ho!Sound: Damage 2 + Clapping Music: Pressing Pursuit - Cornered - Variation  Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Whack It feels a lot like Redd White's last gasp did, too. I don't think we'll have to rely on ghost-Mia reading out a list of names for this one, though. ! Sound: Whack x 2 What do you mean, you "refute" his allegations?Sound: Realization  Sound: Objection  Sound: Gallery  Sound: Gavel  Order! Order! What nonsense is this!?Sound: Whack Another parallel to Mia's murder, with us stealing the wiretap out of Redd White's hotel room drawer. No one was particularly concerned about how we got that one back then.  Remember, Udgey? Sound: Wipe  Oh look, another unnecessary flashback to something that happened just a few minutes ago.  You do have some conclusive evidence, don't you?Sound: Drama Pound ... Sound: Realization Ah well, at least it was short this time. So the argument is because we refused to present it initially, we can't use it later? Seems like another conveniently made-up rule... Well, that's true...Sound: Light Bulb  The defense did refuse to present evidence! Sound: Objection Funny how you had no problem with it being illegal evidence when you thought it would prove that Ema was the killer.  But that's not fair...!Sound: Stab 2  Sound: Whack x 2 Music: Silence It looks like the last laugh's on you, son!Sound: Objection  Sound: Gallery Sound: Gavel  I'm afraid Mr. Gant's claim is legally correct. Well, Mr. Edgeworth? There's an interesting disinction being made here. Are we trying to convict Gant here? I thought we were more just proving that someone else did it to get our own client off the hook, but maybe these trials have been resulting in direct convictions of the actual killers rather than them getting their own trials? Or is the point that if we can't use the evidence to convict Gant in his own trial, we can't use it to prove Lana's innocence in this trial?  assuming, of course, that the evidence is indeed illegal.Sound: Realization Hmm? Well, Mr. Wright? ...Music: Suspense (It seems... at last...)Sound: Wipe  Sure, this was your plan all along...  Mr. Wright. Do you admit to it? Tricky wording here. We did conceal the cloth on purpose, but did we do so illegally? I don't think so. I admit I refused to present it at one point.quote:If we say "I did" instead...  Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Drama Pound   No it isn't, Mr. Gant.Sound: Realization Huh?Sound: Light Bulb It's not that I "didn't" present evidence then... Sound: Realization What do you mean, you "couldn't"?Sound: Desk Slam  Oh here we go. No, Udgey! Don't listen to his lies!Sound: Damage 2 Sound: Whack  Sound: Whack Sound: Drama Pound  There is only one issue left to be resolved in this trial: Sound: Realization Sound: Gavel Very well. Let us settle this once and for all. Earlier you refused to present evidence.  Everything hinges on this moment. What proof should we present?
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 We've got him now. All that's left is dispelling his final, desperate ploy. However, the book on this is already written.
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It's funny, if Gant hadn't been in such a rush to cover his rear end, he would have realized he should have waited until after he skewered the cowboy to cut the cloth out, so that the blood would have soaked that part as well. That would have made it impossible to prove he was the murderer without corroborating evidence or testimony.
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DKII posted:
Considering the amount of parallels between this case and Turnabout Sisters, it could be a deliberate reference.
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We clearly wouldn’t have been able to handle Phase 3 of Redd White.
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Clearly we just need to show our badge. That proves that we know the law, and thus know whether the evidence is legal or not!
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God, it's so satisfying to nail Gant to the wall for this.
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Dirk the Average posted:Clearly we just need to show our badge. That proves that we know the law, and thus know whether the evidence is legal or not! Makes perfect sense to me.
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Never made that connection between Gant and Redd White's pressured sprites. That's a nice dig. Also Samovar posted:God, it's so satisfying to nail Gant to the wall for this.
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Yeah, show the badge. Obviously, we know the law. We passed the bar, right?
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Doobeedoo posted:Obviously, we know the law. We passed the bar, right? Making a lot of assumptions right now
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Dirk the Average posted:Clearly we just need to show our badge. That proves that we know the law, and thus know whether the evidence is legal or not! Marluxia posted:Makes perfect sense to me. Doobeedoo posted:Yeah, show the badge. Obviously, we know the law. We passed the bar, right?
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I don't know what you're talking about, everyone's very professional here. Polsy linked because while the video is spoiler safe, the channel is absolutely not.
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Part 164: Episode 5, Final Day, Trial Latter 2: Chekhov's Law  I was wondering if the only point of us getting this book was to find the picture in it, but I'm glad all the talk about evidence law is finally paying off. Sound: Desk Slam Music: Silence  What's this?Sound: Realization I've done my homework too, Chief. Sound: Desk Slam However! What?Sound: Light Bulb  Sound: Realization quote:Getting this one wrong: Music: Investigation - Core ...! I found this piece of evidence myself... inside your safe. Sound: Light Bulb  And here is the crux of the matter.  between the cloth and the SL-9 Incident.Sound: Realization What!? What kind of nonsenseSound: Damage 2 is this!?Sound: Whack  Sound: Desk Slam Sound: Desk Slam  Sound: Realization Lana showed the picture when it was first entered into the Court Record, but I guess that doesn't count? After that, we didn't present it until after we'd been asked if we had any conclusive evidence to show. That was shown only a few moments ago!Sound: Light Bulb No... He's right. At the beginning of today's trial, The elegance of this plan hinges on Phoenix's exact wording the first time he refused to show the cloth: "I don't have any evidence I can present at this point in time." Meaning, he does have evidence, but he can't show it! I take back my snark on that flashback last update, it was a good way to foreshadow/hint at this point and I missed it both when the line was originally said and in the flashback. The person who gave it value as evidence... Sound: Realization Gant gave us the timeline we'd only been guessing at, with regard to when exactly the piece of cloth was cut out of the vest. It could have been weeks earlier for all we knew at the time, or from a different vest entirely! ...! You yourself confessed to a certain "truth."Sound: Wipe  On the day of the crime, Oh, yes!Sound: Light Bulb Sound: Clapping Sound: Wipe   as conclusive evidence.Sound: Desk Slam  The only person who could have cut this from the victim's vest...  Sound: Desk Slam Music: Silence  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Objection N.. N... Mmph...Sound: Wipe  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Guilty x 2 + Clapping Music: Damon Gant ~ Swimming, Anyone?  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Fast Clapping x 3  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Guilty x 2 + Fast Clapping x 3  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Guilty x 2 + Fast Clapping x 3  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Guilty x 2 + Fast Clapping x ??? The clapping gets so fast here I can't even capture it properly...  Sound: Drama Pound Sound: Guilty x 3 + Fast Clapping x 3 Now that is an epic breakdown. I didn't even notice that Gant's song had started up until all the noise died down there. What I tried to show there didn't really do that scene any justice, so here's a video in all its glory instead.  Sound: Realization Sound: Wipe   Sound: Pop + Whack Sound: Wipe  Well, your crime wasn't exactly petty. He wanted to reinvestigate the case. Detective Goodman?Sound: Light Bulb  Yeah, that's right.Sound: Wipe  Sound: Gunshot 4  Please, you've got to help me!Sound: Gunshot 4  Still, Jake Marshall didn't know when to quit. Goodman came to me that day. I went with him to the evidence room. Then all of a sudden he decided to speak out!Sound: Whack Sound: Clapping Sound: Wipe Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident   Can you please reopen the investigation, Chief?  quote:Original line: "He... told me to open up the evidence room and take it out." Good edit, the original line doesn't really make sense and distracts from the scene. Kind of like what I'm doing now.  Goodman would still be alive if he'd just agreed to help Jake Marshall in the first place. Gant never would have been in the evidence room if Marshall hadn't stolen his ID.  I had a bad feeling when he came to see me, but I never thought he'd bring up SL-9. Sound: Realization Music: Silence  Sound: Stab 2 I couldn't just pull it out.Music: Recollection ~ The SL-9 Incident  quote:Original line: "You would only increase the amount of blood and you couldn't finish what you started." Also doesn't really make sense. There were more than two lines in this scene that changed like this, but I only showed the two biggest changes. Kind of a rough first translation here I guess? Even so, the blood was just pouring out. I was worrying so much about the floor, I didn't realize my fatal mistake.Sound: Whack + Clapping  Sound: Realization That handprint proved that Goodman was stabbed in the evidence room before Meekins put the Blue Badger in there. I used to be known as the "crime computer"... Sound: Whack + Clapping I had no business doing any of it. Then you put the body in my car? Sound: Light Bulb So in the end, Edgeworth was just in the wrong place at the wrong time? The murder was spur-of-the-moment, and the cover-up a panicked improvisation rather than a clever attempted frame-job? I'm almost disappointed. I broke your trunk, but what's the big deal? Sound: Realization  Grr...Sound: Desk Slam L-leaving the prosecution's car aside... Sound: Damage 2  Well, she had as much to lose as I did if the truth came out.Sound: Light Bulb The blackmail would have been simple, really. Just say that Goodman figured out that Ema killed Neil Marshall, and had to be silenced, and Lana better dispose of the body quietly if she didn't want the "truth" about Ema to come out.  I felt bad for having to do it. Sound: Wipe  Sound: Realization We never found out what the glove meant in relation to SL-9; it just got used to show that the locker was stuck unlocked when Jake Marshall opened it. Those jar fragments, though... Gant really screwed up leaving those behind. We presented that jar like 18 times today. ... Yeah...Sound: Realization Music: Silence  Well, Gant, thanks for the detailed confession, I guess?  I've got to hand it to them, they do their jobs well... much to my dismay.Sound: Realization  You must have known that... Tell me, Worthy. Why do you stand in court? Me?Sound: Light Bulb You despise criminals. Sound: Realization ! One day you'll understand. Oh, believe me, you will. You're just one man. ... Oh, Udgey. Wh-what?Sound: Light Bulb  Sorry old friend!Sound: Whack + Clapping ...Music: Courtroom Lobby ~ Beginning Overture I'm sorry too, Damon Gant.Sound: Realization ... I knew you as you used to be, long ago. I'm sorry to learn that you are no longer that person. Sound: Realization Don't worry, you'll be fine!Sound: Whack + Clapping  With these two around, you can't go wrong... In fact, I can hear them already... Sound: Whack + Clapping Sound: Clapping  There are two things I want you to understand. Yes? First, your sister never hurt anyone. You see, Ms. Skye... You're right.  All that I've done these past two years... Sound: Gavel Music: Silence So... I'm sorry, Ms. Skye... I couldn't get you out of all your trouble. ... Sound: Realization ...!Sound: Light Bulb I can see why Mia thought so highly of you. What qualifies as "the top" for a defense attorney, I wonder?  Sound: Realization Holy poo poo, an actual smile. The real Lana is finally free. Music: Trial  Ms. Skye... And to you too, Mr. Edgeworth. ...!Sound: Light Bulb  Believe me, I know how much of an ordeal it's been for you. Sound: Stab  (Liar...) And yet... you rose above it all and guided Mr. Wright to victory. S-stop it!Sound: Stab I only did my job!Sound: Gavel In light of this case... Ms. Skye. Yes, Your Honor? You are innocent of murder. However... A trial will be scheduled for these crimes at a later date. Yes. I understand, Your Honor. Sound: Realization It's been a long time, Your Honor.   Regarding the charge of murder, this court finds the defendant, Ms. Lana Skye...Music: Silence  Sound: Guilty x 2  Sound: Gallery Cheer Sound: Gavel That is all. This court is adjourned!
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Whew! What a ride. I played PW with a friend group, all of us doing voice acting, and I pulled the choice role of Damon Gant. Being the one with prior experience with the game, I had to delay our play of the finale until daytime, when nobody else in the house would be troubled or awoken by Gant's, uh, effusive breakdown.
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As horrible a man Damon Gant is, I find his final words very interesting as he exits, like even he’s relieved that he was caught in a roundabout way. He takes his defeat with more grace than a lot of Ace Attorney villains and that makes him feel unique among his peers.
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The funny thing is that immediately after watching that breakdown animation, you're still right.
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DKII posted:So in the end, Edgeworth was just in the wrong place at the wrong time? The murder was spur-of-the-moment, and the cover-up a panicked improvisation rather than a clever attempted frame-job? I'm almost disappointed. Things were on a path to spin out really well for Gant. Get even more pressure on Lana, even more suspicion on Edgeworth. But these bits where it turns out to have been mostly spur-of-the-moment choices on Gant's part feel unsatisfying to me - for the second murder, but even more for the first: Gant comes upon Neil Marshall's unconscious body, and just decides to murder him, because he figures he can use the situation to blackmail Lana from here on. It feels like there's something missing for him to take such a drastic action, and I feel like it would've been easy to fill it in: What if Gant had committed a murder already around the time Joe Darke was apprehended, say killing someone to make a case or hide that he'd manipulated evidence. During the interrogation of Darke, Gant starts pushing Darke to confess to the murder Gant committed as well, to get the scent off him. What's one more murder attributed to a serial killer? Marshall starts arguing with Gant, not playing ball and asking questions. As they argue, Darke is panicking because he's set up to take the fall for one murder he didn't commit, and makes a break for it. Marshall tells Gant "we'll talk about this later", and they pursue Darke, Gant now panicking himself because Marshall might figure out Gant is responsible for a murder, and so he has a motive to kill Marshall when an opportunity presents itself. Sorry for the fanfic, I suppose it's already too long a case as it is. But this one in particular feels like it got re-written so many times, some points got lost in the edit.
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Ah, Damon Gant. He of the 30FPS hands. It was a long road, but this case has come to a glorious end.
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From what I understand, back on the DS, Gant's clapping was so fast that it actually managed to crash the game sometimes.
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SoundwaveAU posted:From what I understand, back on the DS, Gant's clapping was so fast that it actually managed to crash the game sometimes. He literally changed animation every frame at the end. It would certainly lag any emulator you happened to be playing on.
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Quackles posted:He literally changed animation every frame at the end. It would certainly lag any emulator you happened to be playing on. According to YouTube comments (so you know boulder of salt) the same is true for the various ports. Whatever FPS your version of the game is, that's how fast his final animation is.
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For a guy who committed a lot of scummy crimes and tried like Hell to cover them up, he sure managed to bow out gracefully and leave with his dignity intact at the end.
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And that is why decorum is bad.
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davidspackage posted:Gant comes upon Neil Marshall's unconscious body, and just decides to murder him, because he figures he can use the situation to blackmail Lana from here on. It feels like there's something missing for him to take such a drastic action They didn't have any hard evidence to pin Darke to the murders, so Gant's primary motivation was needing to manufacture a murder that they could nail Darke to the wall for. Being able to set up a double frame job to get leverage on Lana was just a happy coincidence.
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Thank you for your hard work playing through this monster of a case.
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Hell yeah! The ending is still really good. Lana
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the holy poopacy posted:They didn't have any hard evidence to pin Darke to the murders, so Gant's primary motivation was needing to manufacture a murder that they could nail Darke to the wall for. Being able to set up a double frame job to get leverage on Lana was just a happy coincidence. Interesting, I hadn't considered that angle. Still, I feel like it misses something. Murdering a prosecutor just to get a conviction is extreme, and why did he need leverage on Lana to begin with, really? Or was it their respective roles in law enforcement? The chief wants convictions, so he forces his prosecutor Lana to... prosecute despite flimsy evidence? Meh.
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davidspackage posted:Interesting, I hadn't considered that angle. Still, I feel like it misses something. Murdering a prosecutor just to get a conviction is extreme, and why did he need leverage on Lana to begin with, really? Or was it their respective roles in law enforcement? The chief wants convictions, so he forces his prosecutor Lana to... prosecute despite flimsy evidence? Meh. He didn't need leverage per se, he just wanted it because he's a blackmailing scumbag getting out ahead at the expense of others, see when his mask comes off during the trial.
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