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Slyphic posted:Being paid the maximum amount of a fine over an infinite time span is not the entire extent of justice. Timeliness matters. The pain to the losing party matters every bit as much as whatever recompense the wronged receives. It also ignores the fact that no one is getting any $ at all, except Alex Jones.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Sorry, that was the harshest way to say that. lol don't be I was authoritatively talking out of my rear end.
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I think about a line from cancelled podcast host Andrew Torrez a lot where they compared Alex Jones being allowed to continue broadcasting so he can make money to pay his debts to the families to an Asbestos factory being allowed to keep selling Asbestos in order to pay the people harmed by their product. Obviously I want the people he harmed to milk him for as much money as possible first but I think everyone would be satisfied if he just hosed off and died in obscurity somewhere. Problem right now is neither thing seems to be happening fast enough.
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Tree Dude posted:I think about a line from cancelled podcast host Andrew Torrez a lot where they compared Alex Jones being allowed to continue broadcasting so he can make money to pay his debts to the families to an Asbestos factory being allowed to keep selling Asbestos in order to pay the people harmed by their product. I feel like a broken record here, but I'm gonna point out again this this is not happening. The only person getting money right now is Alex Jones. Only his interests are being considered or protected. The families have gotten nothing, even with 95% of his assets being blocked off to him. Alex has not paid a single dime out. He has openly sworn that he never will. The families are getting nothing. Why is Jones even allowed to just intentionally shuffle cash around in a clear attempt to fool the court? Why is he free to do as he pleases while they slowly sift through the mess he has made for them? Is there no penalty for trying to trick a bankruptcy court? The Bible fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Apr 25, 2024 01:58
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The Bible posted:Why is Jones even allowed to just intentionally shuffle cash around in a clear attempt to fool the court? Why is he free to do as he pleases while they slowly sift through the mess he has made for them? Is there no penalty for trying to trick a bankruptcy court? he's not all of his money is out of his control except for the relatively small amount he's being allowed to collect as salary and the penalty for trying to trick a bankruptcy court is that he doesn't get to declare bankruptcy, and doesn't get to hide any more money either because he had to let the bankruptcy court take control of his assets in order to try for bankruptcy once the court decides to hand all his money to the victims, and sell off his poo poo, he doesn't get the opportunity to say no, because the court already has his money and can just directly give it to the victims this is why the court isn't in a huge hurry. they've already got all his poo poo
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Apr 25, 2024 03:13
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If the courts have all his money why is he taking holidays?
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The Bible posted:I feel like a broken record here, but I'm gonna point out again this this is not happening. what is your loving point man? that justice is being denied? ok!
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Apr 25, 2024 03:39
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Outrail posted:If the courts have all his money why is he taking holidays? Main Paineframe posted:the relatively small amount he's being allowed to collect as salary The relatively small amount is still a lot of money. But it is still a relatively small amount.
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Apr 25, 2024 03:41
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When the penalty trial was over the bailiff should have held Alex upside down and shaken him until a billion and a half dollars fell out. Simple! That this did not happen is proof that no consequence shall befall him.
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SonOfGhostDad posted:When the penalty trial was over the bailiff should have held Alex upside down and shaken him until a billion and a half dollars fell out. Simple! He tried but Alex was too slippery. That's not a euphemism, Alex Jones is a big greasy guy and you can't grab him because of his round, greasy body.
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Apr 25, 2024 04:19
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Justice too long delayed is justice denied. It's sickening to watch both Jones and Trump, blatantly flout the courts, lie, commit endless perjury, and for years they have been facing minimal consequences. Part of what's frustrating about it is it's making clear how much our semblance of order is dependent on certain people agreeing to follow the mores. If Sam Bankman Fried had used the assets under his control to flee once things started melting down it's pretty clear he could've made it to a non-extradition treaty country. And as Trump and Jones continue to publicly avoid consequences it is modeling that behavior for other problematic rich people, if enough of these ham sandwiches get jammed into the "justice" system at once it seems like the whole thing could break down.
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lol he is being financially punished so hard he is building himself a brand new cool clubhouse out in the middle of nowhere, Texas
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:what is your loving point man? that justice is being denied? ok! People keep saying that his money is frozen and he is still allowed to work and be paid so he can pay out his judgment. My point is that he isn't paying out anything. The only person getting paid in this is Jones. His victims are the ones being forced to do without, not him.
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The Bible posted:People keep saying that his money is frozen and he is still allowed to work and be paid so he can pay out his judgment. the money is in the custody of the court, which will pay it out as soon as the lawyers work out the exact specific manner in which it should be paid (there's lots of decisions to make here. for example, whether to go easy on him and maximize the long-term payout, or fire-sale off all his assets even if it means a lower total payout. it takes time for all the various lawyers involved to work out the specifics) rotinaj posted:lol he is being financially punished so hard he is building himself a brand new cool clubhouse out in the middle of nowhere, Texas an incredibly cheap clubhouse compared to the several multi-million dollar homes he has hope he regrets buying a cheapass plot in the middle of the Texan desert, because he'll only get to keep one home after the bankruptcy court's done with him
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Main Paineframe posted:the money is in the custody of the court, which will pay it out as soon as the lawyers work out the exact specific manner in which it should be paid So Alex is still getting paid a lot more than most people, and the victims he owes are forced to wait. Really seems like a win for Alex from the perspective of his victims. He lives lavishly and they might get something someday.
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Apr 25, 2024 06:30
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Boy I hope this argument goes on for 3 more pages
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It's not even an argument. Neither of them has a position they're arguing. It's just two emotions that are uncomfortable standing next to each other.
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Yeah, they just want to complain.
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E: actually no more court shortcomings
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Baron von Eevl posted:He tried but Alex was too slippery. That's not a euphemism, Alex Jones is a big greasy guy and you can't grab him because of his round, greasy body. Joneses excrete chilli from their pores as a defence mechanism.
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Have you guys forgotten that Jones is probably upset and frustrated? That's true justice.
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Apr 25, 2024 18:15
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That’s Texas Justice. Fill your hand!
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The Bible posted:They aren't getting that money, though. How much did OJ owe? How much did he pay? things are working as they should and you're a monster for wanting old ladies beaten and alex jones punished which are the same thing when it comes to the system.
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Exactly how much unilateral power do the civil courts have in the Fully Automated Communist Utopia, again?
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oh poo poo right: i forgot two a: alex jones is sad JUSTIXCE DONE!!! b: "the courts don't have the power, under normal circumstances, to punish people harshly!! and you're a monster for wanting them to have that power! no, these aren't extraordinary circumstance! i say they aren't! jones is doing the normal thing the normal way! why would the court do anything different for him?"
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gently caress Alex Jones. I hate him. Also, though, gently caress giving the state and court the kind of power you wish to see exercised. Sorry.
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Apr 25, 2024 19:48
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Marsupial Ape posted:gently caress Alex Jones. I hate him. Also, though, gently caress giving the state and court the kind of power you wish to see exercised. Sorry. That's kinda the rub though. They already have that power, they just only use it against poor and minorities.
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Let's make a deal. Everyone that thinks the current state of Jones is a mockery of justice (not to be confused with American Justice™) will shut the gently caress up and stop whining about it. In exchange, anyone posting about the quality and efficacy of millstones must specify a date and  If you're going to stan for the system, don't be a coward.
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Does that Tex-Arakas group still exist? If Jones went there that would fit punishment (after he paid out).
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InsertPotPun posted:christ. i've been through this argument many times: things are working like they're supposed to, you're a bloodthirsty monster for wanting things to be different. then 6ers for every third response. Yes, that's all well and good, but have you considered that I have made up a guy in my head to be mad at?
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bird food bathtub posted:That's kinda the rub though. They already have that power, they just only use it against poor and minorities. Poor minorities don’t own dropshipper sawdust pill companies or own webcasts of thousands of hours of insane screeds, unhinged conspiracy theories and hate mongering, checkmate justiceailures
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madmatt112 posted:Joneses excrete chilli from their pores as a defence mechanism. Some varieties spray hot sauce from modified salival glands. Others exude a cloud of legal confusion preventing access to their wealth for years at a time.
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I've said it before, but I think the reason the bankruptcy audit is taking so long is because they're documenting things in duplicate; once for the bankruptcy, once for the civil penalties, and again for what I'm guessing is a criminal case they're building. Aside from the 1.5 billion he owes to the families he savaged, he put himself in real poo poo when he decided to play the bankruptcy game. Attempting to hide assets and money from a bankruptcy court, which he routinely admits to, is actual criminal poo poo. It'd be great if like Batman would punch him in the face and tie him to a street lamp or whatever some of you imagine civil courts should be doing, but that was never going to be the case. Part of the reason, aside from obvious class and racial bias, that courts move so quickly against we poors is that we have less poo poo to sift through. Scumfuck that he is, Jones has dozens of shell companies, trustees, and genuine holes where he's trying to hide his money. Ultimately, I guess, if Alex Jones going Hawaiian is the thing that has cracked your ping, then better late than never
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Really I think it's more the "he only gets a fraction of what he would normally get so he can survive" and "he's BUYING A COMPOUND" are where I have the "How the gently caress is this "just""?" mindset. At the very least you would think the court would step in and say "The gently caress you aren't!" or immediately move to seize it.
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I don't think the courts can seize property or assets until they determine how to carve it up. This might be a jurisdictional issue. I'm a financial crime specialist, not a lawyer, but I'll ask some if this is a thing.
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the bankruptcy process takes a while because (a) bankruptcy is not about justice, it's a problem-solving system; and (b) alex jones is both a terrible person not eligible for the primary benefit of bankruptcy (a discharge, or "fresh start") but is also amazingly bankrupt so that the bankruptcy process actually still needs to do something, it is required to be fair to creditors vs each other (not vs. jones - i.e. so all creditors get as much value as possible and are treated equally) part of the odd thing is that jones doing his show to make money is the sort of thing bankruptcy courts usually like because usually, a debtor making more money is good for everyone. here, its odd because most of the debt he owes is technically monetary, but really what the creditor wants is justice. also, the money, the money is great and taking the money from alex is great, but they would prefer less money and more alex jones suffering compared to more money. bankruptcy...isn't really intended for that (and 99% of the time explicitly intended to block people from doing that sort of thing)
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ok, per my lawyer friend: every state's civil and bankruptcy procedures are different. it's possible that his assets cannot be seized while they're actively being considered as part of a bankruptcy proceeding. i asked why he would be allowed to continue to vacation at the Four Seasons Hawaii and build a new compound, and the answer was he's probably not allowed to, he's probably breaking a ton of laws, but doesn't give a poo poo about the (eventual) consequences. the bankruptcy proceedings are taking priority, for now, because they have to. once they're finished, jones is open to prosecution for the crimes he's racking up in the meantime on top of the historical civil loving he's already taken. edit: for that one guy who suggested toxxing with a specific date, lol lmao
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SonOfGhostDad posted:ok, per my lawyer friend: Hey everyone! Look at this coward who is scared to toxx!
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joke's on you, buddy, being shamed for cowardice is the only way i can cum!!!
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SonOfGhostDad posted:ok, per my lawyer friend: the filing of bankruptcy bans any attempt by anyone to seize property of the debtor once a bankruptcy is filed. it's called the automatic stay, it takes effect immediately once he files. basically, once a bankruptcy is filed the bankruptcy court is the exclusive court to allocate his assets, any attempt to seize them through another court is void. that's not state-by-state since all bankruptcy is federal law.
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