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waloo posted:So everybody is just trying to forget about Riveteers, Brokers, Maestros, Cabaretti, and Obscura? Were the Streets of New Capenna really so traumatic? Bang, jund, grixis, etc were the first terms used to deal with the 3 colour shards, so they have stuck. Same with the 10 2 colour guilds (from Ravnica) and the 5 wedges from khans of tarkir. Much like magic itself, going first has its advantages.
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That is cool as gently caress, no lie (regular Ajani will return once the timeline is reset, i'm sure).
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Boxman posted:I think it's a mess. Lots of x/black gold cards, and I just don't have any depth in black to support it - only 8 cards total. I have four (!!) rakdos duals, so the answer might be RW with black splash to get access to a couple of the uncommons. I'd love to share the pool, because i'm desperately curious how other people would build this, but 17 lands isn't picking up on it. I assume some sort of opening day glitchiness. I'm going to hold off playing this out, because I expect a pretty poor outcome if I don't get a second set of eyes here. Frank Karsten to the Rescue! https://strategy.channelfireball.com/all-strategy/home/how-many-sources-do-you-need-to-consistently-cast-your-spells-a-2022-update/
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Huxley posted:I wonder why some spots on the Mastery track are on fire. Those are the renewal rewards for new standard.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:ok you said pack 1 Your self-sabotage is now bleeding into your drafts? As some one who also dual monitors drafts (or alt tabs a lot) when you make your first click into the game window, make sure its not on a card. I've deffo drafted cards by accident that way. It really likes to interpret that first click as a double click. So now the protocol is to just click on empty space first, then the card I want to reserve, and then a second click to actually pick the card. It's worked for me so far.
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Sep 1, 2022 22:26
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Onehandclapping posted:5-3 and 7-2 in my first two drafts of the set. First one was 5 color domain big green stompy, no big bomb rares but lots of multicolor uncommon bodies to throw. I found that a lot of green commons out of reach of the common kill spells at 4+ toughness, but there's a lot of little guys and disruption spells to stall the board. With the relative rarity of trample, it was hard to push through in most my games, but all the domain cards seemed super strong and synergistic so long as the tapped duo lands are prioritized. What were the bugs? And if you file a ticket for the draft, it is very likely you will be given your gold back for maximum +EV.
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Sep 1, 2022 22:44
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Onehandclapping posted:I'm aware, in both drafts if I dragged a card to my selection pile, the card sometimes vanished. It still picked it, but I couldn't mouse over it or see it in my pile, so I had to by vague memory for some stuff. That's unfortunate, it looks like that bug has persisted since NEO(?) I think, then it stopped happening in SNC. I think the way to reproduce it is to have a card "in hand" like you are dragging it to your pile when the timer runs out. The client at that point freaks out and turns the card invisible. 
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Having to respond to callouts just makes it look like I'm dumping more in the thread but w/e, I am definitely trying to keep more pozzy with the new thread so sorry if my post after getting my first 0-3 of the weekend gives you bad vibes or whatever It is incredibly doubtful that after all you've demonstrated, you will do anything other than post your drafts with some feelbads and how you managed to make a mistake. It really does bring the thread down when you are by far the most prolific limited poster here and have somewhat disasterous runs. Your content is much better suited for a discord where all this can be hashed out in real time, and then quickly forgotten as the chat continues to scroll, but you (for whatever reason) disregard every suggestion we provide to you. 
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Kashuno posted:I really need to value the phalanx higher they never seem to wheel for me but I am not picking them highly at all. They seem good in those UW and GW token decks that get a nice benefit out of being to put those both out the same turn or phalanx + other spell same turn. I think this is it. It's really easy to get unfocused when "all your cards are white and blue" and then you realize that you have kicker costs in two other colours. I think you really have to draft and remember which kicker cards are good without the kicker and which are really gold cards. Drafted UW soldiers to a nice 7-0 today, Raff is a disgusting card when he activates.
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little munchkin posted:i'd like to apologize to anyone i misled by suggesting that you would be drafting a "color pair". after my first draft i haven't drafted anything less than three colors You want to be in 2 colours with a splash for kicker costs? That's what felt good for me.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:This one 3-3ed, oh well. Just reviewing loss two: Mulligan decision - you put back a resolute reinforcements instead of Benalish Sleeper. You have three sources of black to get the kicker online, which means 3 draws to get it (if that was the plan), which gives you a 27% chance to draw and hit it on curve. You are also down a card due to the mulligan, which to me, means that you want to keep as many potential two for ones in your hand as possible. Going 1 for 1 is probably a losing proposition because you're down on cards already. You have to leverage whatever resources you have to try and make up that card disadvantage. segment 48 - you chump block with your 1/1 to prevent 3 damage, going from 17 to 14 instead of 17 to 11. How are you going to retake the board with what is in your hand (prayer of binding and lightning strike) if you make this block? I agree, your opponent had a bonkers deck, but even when it's a blowout, it's always good to re-evaluate your play. It's impossible to know, but if you have the resolute reinforcements (which would have left a 1/1 if they bolted it) instead of the benalish sleeper + the 1/1 that you threw away in the chump block, that potentially gives you enough to threaten an advantageous block against their 3/2. If they use the gaea's might during their attack, you can lightning strike in response to 2 for 1 them, and maybe make it close. They had an absolute bonkers deck, and drew three lightning strikes, which is miserable to see. But that doesn't mean you can't evaluate the decisions you made in the game. I acknowledge that it's easy to see the line after it's all said and done, but
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Yeah I do think I probably didn't fully appreciate the value of 2 bodies off a flash spell besides "more creatures to Charge" and "sac fodder." I am guessing my line of thinking was the potential upside of 3 power Enlisting, but: in terms of upside that doesn't really get me anywhere, and I suppose if I'm mulling on the draw and they're at 7 on the play I should expect that I will be on the back foot I mean, they drew three loving lightning strikes, that's going to be a hard game to come back from. Trying to see where you could have squeezed out incremental advantage is a good skill to develop.
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precision posted:i take it back, this format sucks. 3-3 with Jeskai Spells and all 6 opponents were on 5 color Domain. I think this format rocks, I managed to trophy in silver/gold bo1 with a 4 colour jank pile: https://www.17lands.com/deck/06e598120b2b4a918c30ec5582acc0bf/1 And I'm currently 23-7 in bo1 and 2-1 in bo3.
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MeinPanzer posted:Any advice on this draft pool? Rule of thumb is that double pip isn't splashable.
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Lone Goat posted:Game 3 was incredibly close and I'm still not sure if I can find a line where I win. Turn "15" I'm priced into trading every turn and making it a topdeck war, and my opponent just barely edges me out. The only thing I could possibly see is that you save the first fires of victory that you cast on the nishoba to kick it later. The only other line I can see it at Turn 9 (step 79) where you play out your unkicked battlewing mystic to force more damage through. They play the Wurm, you hit them for 6 down to 3 (Mystic + Kavu), play the terror. They attack with the wurm, you don't block, and then you set up lethal with the the terror, kavu, mystic, and the amplifier, as they can kill the terror and the kavu (with lightning strike), but then die exactly to the two unblocked creatures. I don't think that's is super obvious, but it was a line you could have taken. There may have been counter-play available to the opponent to shut down that line. But, assume the opponents run out is the same, that's how you would have taken it.
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:The hope is that I hit something with 61% to draw in the next two turns and curve out? Curve out how? You ideally want 2 drop, 3 drop, and the phalanxes. My thought is that if you have to go runner runner for the hand to function, you should probably ship it back. You need more than either a 2 or a 3 drop, you really want both here. I get that this is a slower set, but you still need to establish a board. With nothing in the starting 7 that gets you there, you are relying a lot upon your draws to bail you out. If you whiff, you're donezo. I think the downside risk is too great, and even taking into consideration this is limited, I'd ship here.
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Guildencrantz posted:The problem is that they're in a double bind. Meathook is very clearly OP, but with all the support for wide aggro in the past two sets, having a meta-defining powerful sweeper is the main thing keeping that in check. Getting rid of it before printing a new "sweeper that does a useful thing besides" card risks turning things on their head in favor of token swarms. Which would personally make me happy but I understand why they're reluctant to do it. Temporary lockdown gets tokens pretty dang good.
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Lord Banana posted:Can you see how many play in points you have? I've trophied three drafts so far in DMU, and had three in SNC, but I can't see how many points I have. Does it only show when you have enough to enter? They are shown when you hover over the wildcard flower up in the top right of the start screen.
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Horace Kinch posted:So guess what I learned today. The discounted mana cost on Vanquish the Horde only applies when it's in your hand. How did I find out exactly? By pulling it with Sorin at exactly 8HP in a game I was very much about to win. Actually the discount only applies when the spell is on the stack. At all times the mv is 8. This is why you can still disdainful stroke it when it is played for WW.
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In my recent run with cruelty, I don't think I lost a game where it got cast. Its very good. Gyser is dmu's best common, but it's not as good as cruelty of gix.
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Simply Simon posted:This was a very easy draft, blue was so insanely open, I'm still reeling. White is basically a splash in my mono-blue build, with the only other splash being Ertai. Your white is very not good, aside from peacekeeper and take up the shield. Your black is much better, and you had access to black during the draft. Looking at your picks: P1P1 - Stenn is not good, but if you're taking the rare because it's a rare, whatever. This is a pretty poopy pack, so maybe just taking the land is correct here. P1P2 - You want to take card that goes along with your first pick, and you take Samite Herbalist. I disagree with this pick. Herbalist is a very (very) medium card, it would have been better to take the vinewall or the GU dual land. Again, not a great pack. P1P5 - Take up the shield over essence scatter? At this point, you've been passed blue's best common (and the best common in set), and seeing another very good blue card in essence scatter means (at least to me) that blue is open (and it was!) taking the good blue card here is probably the pick. P1P6 - you really want to make UW work despite not seeing good white cards. Tribue, shore up, dual land are all better picks. P1P7 - At this point you should know that blue is wide open. There is no way a micromancer should be going this late - basically everyone to your right, except for the person to your direct left, has seen this card and passed on it. P1P8 - Another signal that blue is wide open, the entire table should not have passed on this. To me, what that means is I should start floating blue cards in the draft and looking for a strong secondary colour while I get blue picks on the wheel in pack 2 and 3. P2P3 - Let's evaluate this pick - so far you've got for white cards: herbalist take up the shield stall for time Stenn These cards, save for take up the shield are not good and for black cards you have bone splinters rager ertai UB dual land these cards are not a ton better than your white, but they are better. Why are you going back to the white well at this point?! You don't even take the card with the higher winrate, mesa caviller. I think soultender is the pick here. P2P5 - If you are going to take white cards, you pass up a very good in Argivian Cavalier here. P2P10 - Rager over drake, but you still aren't sure you want to be in black at this point. P2P11 - Similarly, soultender is decent in UB as you can flip spells in the gy to get your terrors cheaper. P3P1 - Tribute to Urborg here, but you still want to be in white. P3P2 - The stats on DJ of the fountain are not good, but it is a big flying beater. I might have taken figment, as they are very playable in the blue spells deck you are trying to make. P3P3 - I think geyser is the better pick, even if you are going white. You don't have a ton of go wide creatures to leverage this card, and geyser is always going to be great. P3P6 - Vohar is better than figment P3P7 - Rager or vivisector over herbalist P3P8 - that's a very late tatyova, but there is no way that card is making it into your deck at this point. Rager is the pick. P3P9 - Librarian is actually a very very good card, and it's way better in any deck you are making over joint exploration (which is really a domain card). P3P10 - Why if you have a bunch of herbalists, why wouldn't you take faithbonder here? There was a very solid UB deck which you overlooked, and it feels like you got very attached your extra medium p1p1 and let it dictate your draft. I might try this with what you got: Deck 1 Haunting Figment (DMU) 53 1 Academy Wall (DMU) 41 2 Soaring Drake (DMU) 66 1 Phyrexian Rager (DMU) 99 2 Micromancer (DMU) 57 1 Talas Lookout (DMU) 68 1 Ertai Resurrected (DMU) 199 1 Frostfist Strider (DMU) 51 1 Djinn of the Fountain (DMU) 47 2 Tolarian Terror (DMU) 72 3 Contaminated Aquifer (DMU) 245 8 Island (DMU) 265 5 Swamp (DMU) 268 2 Shore Up (DMU) 64 2 Timely Interference (DMU) 70 1 Bone Splinters (DMU) 83 2 Impulse (DMU) 55 1 Phyrexian Espionage (DMU) 60 2 Tolarian Geyser (DMU) 71 1 Protect the Negotiators I would be tempted to run 16 lands with all that card draw and very little in the way of colour requirements for your second colour.
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I didn't realize how insanely busto that card is until someone explained it to me. It's basically turnabout + timewalk.
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Urcher posted:Thinking through how it works: Yeah, I thought it was just a wacky card where the turn is reversed! When the dudes from the 540 walked through that, just like you did, wow, that sounds busto.
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Simply Simon posted:Alright, good morning from the train! So let's start at the start. You are vastly over valuing the kicker on tolarian geyser. All the kicker does is gain you 3 life. The bounce + draw a card is included in the base rate of 2U. While it can be very good to have a life buffer with the kicker, 85-95% of why the card is good is due to the base card. So while you might feel compelled to play white to maximize the card, it's absolutely not necessary to kick that card. Apparently some people think that you need to kick geyser to draw a card, that is absolutely incorrect. Stall for time - not a good card. Stats put it at 57% wr or 0.2 game improvement (compare to take up the shield - 60% wr or 1.6 game improvement). Seeing that come through the draft doesn't mean very much. You are correct with respect to the term floating, sorry about that - trying to float a card in draft is that you taking something else and hope the card you at floating will come back to you. The draft comes to a crossroad at P2P3, and I'm suggesting that you've vastly overrated the white cards (and what the white kicker is worth on geyser). Everything else flows from that, and I totally understand where you are coming from as a result. Lastly, I'm arguing that Ertai + black is better than your white, aside from the fact that you are short on twos. But the black is more powerful. I think it's pretty marginal at this point, and it's probably better that you're running the white based solely on the fact that you have two drops with white. Just something to be mindful of for next draft! You got this.
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Calibanibal posted:as usual, not remotely balanced. the jodah deck even has a lagrella the magpie to boardwipe infinite tokens The Soknar deck has Kairi, which actually is a boardwipe for tokens.
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Urcher posted:I did another draft and am still bad at choosing cards and would love feedback. Super quickly, this feels pretty train-wrecky as a draft. You got pulled in a lot of directions, and really didn't paid off for any of the directions you took. I don't think the deck can afford the splash, but on the other hand, you don't have a ton of power when you aren't so maybe you just splash the bombs you took and just acknowledge that you are going to lose games to your mana base. Your red cards suck, except for Squee. It really makes your p1p4 pick of furious bellow somewhat puzzling. The cards you should have taken were lookout, tribute, impulse. Academy Loremaster is garbage, don't play it. Maybe you should try it out, just to see, but the stats don't support it as a good card. Yes, green was very open at the end of the draft, but there were a few things you should have clocked on the way to that: 1) p1p10 - gaea's might goes around the entire table, and no one picked it up. That's weird. Might is a pretty good card in most, if not all decks, and it to see it here is something to note. That's all. 2) p2p3 - strength of the coalition means that two people to your left aren't in green (or any sort of go wide deck where they could splash it). 3) p2p4 - mossbeard ancient - a premium uncommon for any green deck, it stabilises the board when it lands. Now you know the 3 people to your left are not in green. 4) p2p5 - rootwalla is going to be taken by any green deck that wants domain (which is most of them), so it's now very weird that you keep seeing green cards. This is a premium 2 drop for the green (domain) deck. 5) p2p7 - weird to see that everyone is passing on sojourner, which is a solid role player in the green domain deck. 6) p2p8 - another gaea's might. Weird. 7) p2p10 - a sojourner on the wheel, also odd. And then you note pack three was very good for the domain deck (that no one had drafted apparently). On the other hand, none of the dual lands wheeled, save for haunted mire 3p12. Kind of an odd draft all around.
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It seemed like black was very open at the end of pack one. Why didn't you pivot into UB? There was a soultender that wheeled p1p11 - that's usually a good sign that no one is interested in black. At this point you have 1 red card and 1 green card. It's early enough in the draft, seems like seeing two cult conscripts, repossessions at the tail end of pack one means black is open. Then you open black knight in pack 2, and are feeling like a brain genius for exploring black at the end of pack 1.
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With the new bro spoilers that are coming out, I wonder how the client will handle meld. I really hope the game object is bigger in size and not just the same square (or pw rectangle) as everything else.
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Waffleopolis posted:Went 7-1 in sealed with this. Build help thanks to the Wrestlehut discord. I've heard that wrestlehut has the most attractive and intelligent magic players.
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Lone Goat posted:Black was very good. Red was very bad, but you could put together a good mono red/RB artifact aggro deck since nobody else wanted the rest of the pieces. Green had busted uncommons but the commons were all very flat though you could do some dumb recursion loops for value. White's best card, Imperial Oath, was extremely good and you could easily play 4-5, but also extremely splashable and white suffered as a result. Blue was good in the ninjas deck and ok elsewhere. Sagas were great, Shrines were okay. UW Vehicles, RW martial, RG modified all were traps, avoid if possible. There was lots of fixing, and 4-5 colour soup was an option. UW vehicles was not a trap, you just needed a lot of help at uncommon to fix the holes in the deck (so it's a semi trap?). WR samurai was very much a trap and never really came together as a viable draft strategy. RG modified was also a trap except for the deck that had multiple invigorating hot springs, and even then it was still not that great. It was probably better to splash the hot springs in some other deck like GW or something.
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Of all the things to get mad at in magic, domain is definitely a new one. It would be nice to see a standard constructed worthy domain deck. Apparently shadow prophecy is very good in modern 5 color, which was not something I had anticipated. I think that's neat. Also, quit gettin mad at card games.
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Shrecknet posted:if you haven't seen it there's a very very cool Borthers War variant of Rampaging Ferocidon or whatever (3/3 menace for 2R) with a hilarious teeth-kicking rider on it for decks with greedy manabases Borth? My son's name is Borth.
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MikeCrotch posted:What are people's win rates in DMU draft btw? Currently around 58% but only managed like 12 drafts due to moving house, trying to cram some more in now I had an absolutely brutal go of things this time around. Game Record: 157 - 119 (56.9%) Match Record: 86 - 56 (60.6%) Total Events: 38 (6 Trophies) Net gems per event: 102.89 Basically, I paid 6k gems for nearly the entire set of rares/mythics. This is the worst set performance that I've had since I started serious drafting in Kaldheim. Most sets I'm in the 500+ net gems per event. On the other hand, this set had the most events I've ever done, which means that the game play was very good.
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Simply Simon posted:i really feel for u Well, I mean it's somewhat concerning to have a swing of -15000 gems, performance wise from SNC. I do my part on the discord to help. 
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Eikre posted:Platinum rankings seems to exert peculiar gravity on those that attain it. A league for the competent, but unremarkable. For the duelist on a union contract. The People's league. In hearthstone (a million years ago, before they rebalanced the ladder grind), we called rank 5 "dad legend" (where the goal was to get to legend rank) as you got the majority of ranked rewards similar to platinum in arena. "dad mythic"? Parental mythic? I do agree is the rank of the people. The People's Rank.
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That's a real alternative to drafting, as 10k gold is also the cost of a draft. So you're basically gambling that a draft will get you more than 16 rares+ after factoring in your prize support. I think weaker drafters will go down this route, making drafts more competitive. We'll see.
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