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FLIPADELPHIA posted:Prediction: Walker is going to go up in the polls because of the abortion thing. There is nothing CHUDs love more than a hypocrisy elemental. Remember, fascists actively celebrate being able to flaunt the norms of society if it means they gain power. Many of their most devoted would prefer to have a candidate who's paid for abortions. They love doubling down, to show how free from consequences and consistency they are. Yeah. The only consistent part of conservative ideology is hurting the people that they hate. Illegalizing abortion hurts the people that they hate, it's not about any moral stance regardless of what they say. Herschel Walker isn't someone that they hate, so it's ok that he paid for an abortion.
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The Walker stuff also kind of reveals something about the anti-abortion movement, and it's that they don't really want to make abortion illegal. They want to make it illegal for women to decide to have an abortion. If the man decides it's not the right time to have a child, that's fine, it's nothing to be ashamed of, as Walker said himself. But women making that same decision on their own? Hell no.
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Oct 8, 2022 17:31
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I think that the US should help Haiti with money and food and other humanitarian care, and not anything to do with guns and troops.Solkanar512 posted:I'm sorry, you think you're performing a moral good by posting on these forums? Are you loving kidding me? It's still a forum for discussing things, regardless of how relevant it is to broader society. If you want to go with the idea that talking about things here is completely pointless, then we might as well just close D&D for good.
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Oct 19, 2022 19:12
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Most of the world is. The current problem is that gangs control about 75% of Port Au Prince and are effectively blockading and looting anything that anyone tries to bring in or out of the country. Yeah that's bad, but I don't think that adding more violence to the situation is going to be very likely to help. As many have already pointed out, it doesn't have a very good track record. It's kinda like how cops in the US intervening in a situation have a tendency to just kill people.
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Oct 19, 2022 19:25
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I wonder how much of it is some people not wanting to consider online friendships to be "real".
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Oct 19, 2022 20:02
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Main Paineframe posted:The US already is, as are the UN and various other international aid groups. The problem right now is that gangs have blocked roads and major port facilities, making it impossible to reliably transport that food to the people who need it. And at this point, it's extremely unlikely that the gangs will go away simply because of political or economic reforms. In this particular situation, I can't think of any remotely plausible alternative to using troops to protect critical infrastructure and break the blockades on vital resources. I already responded to this exact same point that Leon made. Fister Roboto posted:Yeah that's bad, but I don't think that adding more violence to the situation is going to be very likely to help. As many have already pointed out, it doesn't have a very good track record.
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Oct 19, 2022 20:24
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Main Paineframe posted:Yes, I'm aware. I was responding to that when I said "I can't think of any remotely plausible alternative to using troops to protect critical infrastructure and break the blockades on vital resources". You're right, I don't see a way to solve it without violence. But I also don't see a way to solve it with violence. Continue giving money and humanitarian aid, even if it's not 100% effective. But I think that America should not be playing world police, especially in situations that they've had a hand in creating.
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Oct 19, 2022 20:53
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Charlz Guybon posted:Boggles the mind how stupid they are Could you provide a little more commentary please? Who is this guy, why is his opinion notable, and do you think he's right or wrong? Who do you think is being mind bogglingly stupid here?
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Nov 13, 2022 17:57
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Space Cadet Omoly posted:Sinema is an idiot and a liar, even by politician standards, so I'm pretty willing to discount this as total bullshit unless literally any other senator has made statements indicating it's true. It's definitely not outside the realm of possibility though. The alternative is that all 48 other Democratic senators are in total agreement on wanting good things, and it's just a complete coincidence that there are exactly enough conservative Dems to impede their agenda. Not saying that that's definitely untrue, but I think it would be foolish to just assume that Sinema is completely making poo poo up. I also don't think she's an idiot. She knows what she's doing. In any case it's going to be interesting to see whether Dem leadership is serious about dealing with her and Manchin or not. My prediction is that  will prevail and they'll continue to handle them them with kid gloves, but I'd love to be proven wrong.
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Nov 14, 2022 01:46
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Discendo Vox posted:And the Dems did in fact pass some legislation. By this falsification-proof framing, any blockage less than the full, theorized ideal set of policies can be a “coincidence” proving conspiracy. I never claimed that the Dems didn't pass anything at all. I'd appreciate if you don't accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist based on this, thank you. Maine Paineframe is right though, I was misremembering things. But I stand by my belief that it is possible that what Sinema said is true. There is certainly evidence of there being many other conservative Dems, as we saw in the $15 minimum wage vote in 2021. Sinema got the most attention for her vote, but there were seven other Democratic senators who voted against it. Neither side of the argument is fully provable right now, but the next two years will provide evidence either way, I think.
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Nov 14, 2022 02:40
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Main Paineframe posted:Personally, I think the argument fundamentally misunderstands the nature of the Senate. After all, those seven senators didn't need to defect to block the minimum wage bill - just one Dem vote against was enough to block it. I think your answer is sound, and I hope that you're right about it. At the very least, being able to codify Roe but not a $15 minimum wage would be consistent for the Dems as a liberal capitalist party. I don't necessarily agree with the "rotating villain" theory as it is usually discussed here, in the sense that it is a coordinated effort by the whole of the Democratic party to bamboozle their voter base. There's no need to believe that the entire party is in on it when it could just be a a small faction of conservative senators coordinating together. Or not even necessarily coordinating; they could just be opportunistically hiding behind Sinema as individuals. Regardless of the actual explanation, though, what we can see of it is 1-2 senators obstructing the party's agenda and a party leadership that is seemingly unable to stop them.
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Nov 14, 2022 03:18
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Pure conjecture, though mainly I just don't find the idea of her being an idiot to be a very satisfying explanation. Her actions might not make sense in terms of maintaining a career in politics, but that might not be what she wants. There's plenty of grift to be had as a former senator, especially if she goes for the "the Democrats are just too woke for me now" angle.
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Nov 14, 2022 06:23
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Clarste posted:Thinking that everyone in power has some kind of grand plan and isn't just exactly as stupid as they look also strikes me as a kind of conspiratorial mindset. I don't think that believing someone is not an idiot is a conspiracy theory. Frankly that's kind of a weird leap to make.
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Nov 14, 2022 16:17
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Ethiser posted:For maximum comedy they would strike down any same sex marriage law in a way that also makes the Air Force unconstitutional. Honestly that could be a tempting trade for some people.
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Nov 14, 2022 20:34
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Furnaceface posted:Did... he not ever listen to the lyrics? Any time a right winger claims to like RATM or similar groups, they actually are listening to the lyrics. But then they assume that "the machine" is like... politically correct liberals and minorities.
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Nov 18, 2022 17:58
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evilweasel posted:this is basically the goal of the hunter investigation: creating nonsense to get people and the media to draw precisely this sort of nonsensical false equivalence The tax records and pee tape both turned out to be duds, so I wouldn't exactly call that a false equivalence. You are correct that the GOP is trying to draw a false equivalence with Trump's actual crimes, but those two in particular seem like a fair comparison.
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Nov 19, 2022 21:33
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The shooting reminded me of an article from earlier this year. Colorado Springs PD couldn't do anything about the shooter because they probably had their hands full infiltrating every homeless support group and vaguely leftist organization in town: https://www.csindy.com/news/cspd-s-investigation-of-colorado-springs-leftist-community/article_c32e3e94-8e87-11ec-b79c-af375a716657.html quote:Jon Christiansen says he has reason to feel paranoid. In 2020 and 2021, while law enforcement and other officials painted a picture of rising crime rates and an ongoing struggle to recruit enough police officers, Christiansen and other activists in left-leaning organizations were the subject of what they say was a politically motivated and wasteful undercover investigation.
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Nov 21, 2022 00:14
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Main Paineframe posted:I feel like this shouldn't have to be said on a site like SA, but Libs of TikTok doesn't actually think they're a "stochastic terrorist". They're putting in their bio ironically, to make fun of the people who actually accuse their tweets of being terrorism. Pretty sure everyone here is aware of this. Regardless, I see no reason to give her the benefit of the doubt over what she truly believes that she is. If you call yourself a nazi "ironically", you're a loving nazi.
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Nov 21, 2022 16:22
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Herstory Begins Now posted:a drag queen kicked him in the face some, too Hey just needed to correct this, but the second person to help subdue the shooter was a trans woman and not a drag queen. The initial reporting made some incorrect assumptions and it just got spread around from there. I've also been corrected on this 
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Nov 24, 2022 16:02
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FlapYoJacks posted:If rail is a national security concern then perhaps the rail companies should be nationalized? Of course! That would be the correct solution if they actually cared about human lives. Unfortunately, it's a whole lot easier to just force people to work under terrible conditions.
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Nov 29, 2022 16:15
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Acebuckeye13 posted:On the other hand, if the entire economy explodes over a protracted railroad strike Biden is gonna have a hell of a lot more problems than "the left is mad at him." It's a lose-lose situation. Sadly this is correct. The left is functionally marginalized in this country, so Biden isn't going to suffer any real consequences for pissing them off. It makes political sense to gently caress over the workers here, even if it doesn't make moral sense.
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Nov 29, 2022 20:31
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DeadlyMuffin posted:To try and get things back on the rails a bit: I'm curious what folks thought about the article I posted and the impacts of a strike. I'm far from an expert, I'm curious if there are better takes. There has been a lot of coverage of the strike like this, highlighting how much it would hurt the economy and consumers, and not a whole lot of coverage of the horrific working conditions that the strike is about, nor about the fact that the rail companies are profiting massively off of those same conditions. It seems like a deliberate attempt to frame the issue as selfish workers making you pay more for gas and preventing little Timmy from getting toys for Christmas. The blame for this clusterfuck belongs entirely on the rail bosses, but I have not seen any mainstream media outlets say as much. Obviously a rail strike is going to be extremely bad for everyone. That's why Biden and the Dems should have sided with the workers if they actually care about labor rights like the claim to. Instead they proved themselves to be craven little lapdogs for capital.
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I really don't think I can fully express how despicable it is that they separated these bills. Jaxyon posted:LOL no they absolutely don't, and if it was close to passing they'd have been a No. You and I know it's not true, but there are plenty of other people out there who will be swayed by it. Besides, the reality isn't much better: Ted Cruz cares about workers exactly as much as Joe Biden, which is to say not at all.
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projecthalaxy posted:https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2022490 AOC and Ilhan Omar voted to break the strike. They didn't even need to, it would have passed without them. Extremely disappointing.
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Kalit posted:I’m confused, why do you wish that a strike would happen? Especially since those who are already suffering will be hit the hardest? Yes, that is the ideal outcome. Unfortunately that outcome has been completely taken off the table thanks to Biden and the Democratic controlled Congress.
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Dec 2, 2022 00:54
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I'm not saying the workers don't deserve more sick days. They do, and I know it's a much more complicated situation than how I framed it. But I framed it that way deliberately because that's how it's going to be presented to millions of Americans, and I'm telling you that making the people of the country suffer over the sick days of otherwise well-compensated workers is not going engender sympathy to their cause or the cause of labor as a whole. I'm sorry but this is just concern trolling. It's exactly the same as the "well I agree with you but you're hurting your cause by rioting" BS during the Floyd protests. The only people making the country suffer here are the rail bosses, and the government for choosing not to support the workers.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:
I'm not under any illusion that the consequences of a rail strike won't be bad for everyone, and I don't think anyone else is. But if avoiding those consequences is dependent on forcing people to work under grueling conditions, then it's time to walk away from Omelas. Your ideal vision can happen, but it's not going to happen without a fight.
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Dec 2, 2022 02:45
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Discendo Vox posted:It’s inaccurate. The thing he’s “forcing” was an agreement tentatively negotiated between the unions and the railroads. If he were “forcing the workers to bear the brunt of the damage”, neither the prior negotiations nor the tentative agreement would have occurred- which included a lot of other concessions from the railroads. The entity that actually voted on this “forcing” was Congress, where there were never the votes for something beyond the negotiated agreement. You're quibbling over the details. Biden called on Congress to vote to prevent the workers from striking, which they did, and this forced the workers to accept a contract that they had previously rejected. We all saw this happen. Everything else is irrelevant to the outcome. If he actually cared about labor rights, he could have simply done nothing at all. This was an active choice on his part.
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-Blackadder- posted:So if what happened was the anti-labor move, then what would have been the pro-labor move by Congress here? Like I said, they could have simply not intervened and allowed the strike to go ahead. You don't have to vote to do nothing. Another thing to keep in mind is that nothing has been averted here at all. Nothing has been resolved. The conditions of the railways will continue to degrade and the likelihood of catastrophic failure is just going to get worse. The only way to actually avert that is to back the workers.
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I'm also not a big fan of saying that Hitler was a "demonic figure", because he wasn't a demon, he was a human like everyone else. By invoking the supernatural, even as a metaphor, It avoids confronting the ugly truth that normal people in power still have the capacity to do great evil.
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-Blackadder- posted:This seems to be the prevailing line of thought. A strike is not accelerationism. Nobody knows the likelihood of any outcome with any real confidence. Trying to analyze this in terms of utility is going to be fruitless. But what is happening is that Congress is deliberately preventing the workers from exercising their rights in the way they see fit. Even if there was a 0.00001% chance of the strike being successful, they should not be doing that.
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haveblue posted:It turns out the reason Adams cares so much about the War On Rats is... it's personal It kind of owns that the mayor of NYC is giving out quests for level 1 adventurers.
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PT6A posted:Good, now release everyone in US prison for similarly bullshit drug charges. Should probably do something about all the people locked up in our own brutal labor gulags on other charges, too. That would be nice.
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BiggerBoat posted:That sounds like very terrific and optimistic news but after over 50 years on this planet, sadly, my first reaction was "what's the catch?" The catch is that even if it is possible, the fossil fuel industry will fight tooth and nail to stop it from being politically feasible.
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Dec 12, 2022 00:50
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evilweasel posted:if only there was a significant amount of construction of wind and solar plants that disproved this edgy 1990s-era idea I'm sorry, are you somehow under the impression that the fossil fuel industry didn't fight against wind and solar (and aren't still fighting against them to this day)? How does this disprove anything? The mere existence of solar plants doesn't mean that there was no opposition to them. How is it in any way "edgy" to point out that fossil fuel companies have an incentive to try to prevent another energy source that would directly compete with them?
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Well someone should tell the fossil fuel companies that the billions of dollars they spend on lobbying is completely useless then.
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Charlz Guybon posted:They fought it and they lost. Renewable energy is going to pass coal as the world's largest source of energy in the next two years OK? That still doesn't disprove my point. If they hadn't fought against renewable energy, then we could have transitioned away from fossil fuels much sooner. Please note that I did not say that the fossil fuel companies will make it impossible to switch to fusion energy, just that they will make it harder and take longer. I'm sorry for the incredulity, but I genuinely didn't think that "fossil fuel companies will fight to keep us dependent on fossil fuels" was at all a controversial opinion.
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It would be nice if seeing the richest man in the world have a fullblown public meltdown would make more people realize that, hey, maybe we shouldn't allow anyone to have that much money and power. I'm not gonna hold my breath on that though.
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Rigel posted:I think a depressingly high number of people will conclude "yeah, THIS rich man is very stupid and bad. And so are all the other rich men you bring up as more examples, they are all stupid and bad as well. But the rich man I admire, he's good, so don't be jealous of his fairly-earned wealth that he got from being smarter and better than you." Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. He's normalizing all the other rich psychos who can manage to keep the mask of humanity on. You know Jeff Bezos is loving this poo poo.
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Reddit is a forum in the technical sense, but its format is very distinct from traditional message boards which I think is what was meant.
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