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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Shooting Blanks posted:

If nothing else, this should have every single responsible member of Congress immediately calling for legislation requiring recusal standards for SCOTUS when a case is brought that includes significant and public conflict of interest.

what conflict

what financial or personal interest does any member of the court have in a case against Donald Trump for stealing secrets

this isn't Jan 6 stuff where if I squint really, really hard, I can construct a rationale for Thomas needing to recuse, because it's a potential threat to his wife

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Space Cadet Omoly posted:

Welp, I was misinformed then.

I guess he could still get out of buying it by just doing the usual rich guy thing of doing something blatantly illegal and suffering no consequences from it because as a society we've just sort of decided the wealthy are allowed to do crimes?

Delaware is the beating heart of corporate law and also where several of his companies are incorporated, so if he goes with "actually i will simply not pay the judgement" the judge can trivially go either "okay I am confiscating X billion dollars of tesla stock to pay twitter" or "okay I am making you pay Y big number per day for contempt of court until you comply, which I will ensure by confiscating Tesla stock"

also he's a wealthy person going up against a wealthy corp so

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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if there is one thing American courts are good at doing, it is moving money from one party in a lawsuit to the other based on judicial edicts

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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I was thinking Big Number and/or intra-state, but I have successfully been owned

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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...I feel like I've heard some Florida gossip about this thing, I'll ask the state/uni grapevine.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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is pepsi ok posted:

She backed Bernie in 2016 and largely copied his platform in 2020. There were others who did that too though so I think the more significant thing was that she leaned hard on anti-war rhetoric.

Don't know the answer to this one but typically when something like this happens the answer is they can fundraise and the party doesn't really care what you do as long as you can do that.

There seems to be some confusion - as far as I can tell she was not a dnc member in 2022, although it's actually pretty feasible to crowbar someone in if they have support from the state level party. Strictly speaking all you need is a majority (or plurality) vote in the state convention, and in many cases not even that, in TX there are a bunch of caucus specific dnc slots. She was a vice chair in *2016* before it was nationally obvious how awful she was.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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E: how on earth did I double post like THAT

but yeah I agree that a cursory review of her history should have disqualified her from vice chair, at least in the absence of a whole rear end public apology

never mind her hindutva fash ties

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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At the very least, I think a summary of the current situation in specific wouldn't go amiss. I've been halfway following it and still don't have a good grasp of where (say) public opinion in Haiti is, and presumably some other people here are less familiar.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Victar posted:


What alternative is there to US intervention? Doing nothing? We've been doing nothing for a while now. Sending only humanitarian aid, when the extortion of criminal gangs means that a lot if not the majority of that aid will go straight to those criminal gangs?


military intervention, including UN intervention, vs securing humanitarian aid and reducing its hijacking, are related but potentially different concepts; it's not particularly uncommon for large-scale aid efforts to have security to at least keep supplies or recipients from being robbed right there at the point of service

i don't have a strong opinion on the particular situation in haiti except for A) if the UN at large wants some form of intervention that's way better than the US wanting it and B) current situation seems untenable


Ghost Leviathan posted:

Awfully specific phrasing there.

The last time the blue helmets were there they raped underage girls on an industrial scale. Or maybe that was the time they introduced a cholera epidemic.


This is dnd, so it would be good for you to support your allegations rather than making people look them up for you. that said, the underage rape situation was a very specific contingent of sri lankans (:(), which does speak very poorly of the UN's ability to handle lovely militaries of member states

I'd still broadly say blue helmets are probably an improvement on either Haitian government troops or whatever words you would like to use for the anti-government militants. I also haven't seen "developing world militaries with a history of war crimes are the reason UN interventions suck" much before, it'd be a novel argument.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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cgeq posted:

Pay back all the money that's been stolen from it (inflation adjusted, with interest).

This is both correct and, at the moment, logistically tricky. If the current government isn't legitimate enough to say "please send us UN troops to unfuck the security situation", how on earth is it legitimate enough to steward however many dozens of billions of reparations?

It would really help if we had some semblance of knowledge of Haitian public opinion re intervention.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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On the plus side, securing humanitarian aid at least at point of service is... not a solved problem, exactly, but one with which the world has a lot of experience and can generally make somewhat work. That seems like a sensible enough minimum to me (and one people don't generally pay enough attention to to post about :v: ).

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Staluigi posted:

I haven't got a single family member back home who isn't absolutely in favor of US intervention at this point because they're already poor and dispossessed as poo poo and most of their livelihood is tied to work in and around port au prince

One in-law is against any 'interferences' but that's largely because he's descended from papa doc's enforcers and he'd loooooooooooove the violent purging + dictatorship solution, he's totally ready to be a jackboot

I missed this post and I have approximately infinity questions about Haiti on the ground, as saddening as the answers would probably be. Thanks for chiming in.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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hey Leon, mind spoilering that megaquote? I feel it's a bit too upsetting at points to leave unspoilered

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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not sure how many people who are supporting UN involvement are centering the US, tbh


haveblue posted:

Does "suppress the death squads and repair sanitation infrastructure" go inside or outside the box

there's a third option (outside "keep the country limping along with secured humanitarian aid and let the gang warlords thing work out as it does" and "UN military intervention to restore something loosely approximating order") tickling at the back of my head but I'll need to do a little more thinking and reading because rn I don't like it

Haiti at the moment seems to be a collapsed warlordism state, and there are playbooks for that

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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I'd also not mind some receipts on the current dudes being a "US backed puppet government". My extremely loose understanding is that Moise was along those lines, but he got, you know, murdered and replaced with these guys.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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It's worth noting that the UN fiddled with its policies after the 2007 child rape brothel incident, notably requiring sufficient information for a UN background check on every soldier contributed by member nations. I'm, uh, not too sure whether that's sufficient, but they at least took note and did something.

unlike the sri Lankan military, naturally

E: also 27 is probably a lowball, but that's okay, so is the criminal syndicate number

Goatse James Bond fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Oct 18, 2022

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Bear Enthusiast posted:

Doesn't seem to be any other explanation for why they picked Sri Lanka as an example.

My read is that it wasn't a joke, it was a rebuttal to the idea that America Bad is the extent of the logic we need to use here. It would take some substantial logical contortions to blame the US for an SL unit under UN aegis forcing children into brothel slavery. It's also linked directly to the question of: okay, let's say the US lets other non-France countries take the lead (Leon said Portugal's currently up for leadership, I have no particular idea how that works). Has the UN done enough to prevent that and other past intervention problems from happening again?

as far as that SPECIFIC incident/subtopic of "UN fixed, y/n" i'm going to plant my flag on a firm "eh", afaict they reformed their soldier selection process to among other things make it less unilateral on the part of contributor countries, but i'm not sure "give us enough information for a decent background check" is going to do the thing or be adequately funded

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Staluigi posted:

Actually included among associations it is very advisable not to have on your rear end

do not, under any circumstances, gently caress with the post office

postal inspectors make FBI agents look like models of joy, humor, and leniency

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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skylined! posted:

edited because initial tweet was a bit clickbaity

Thomas doing Graham as much of a favor as he can for the moment from the bench, re: testifying in Fulton Co.

https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1584581011622350853?s=20&t=Myf3WxuStgHlGHSzda0_Gw

yeah "hold your horses while I talk to the other eight" is very common

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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FlamingLiberal posted:

The 'corruption' Hunter Biden was maybe involved with is the tamest poo poo compared to anything the Trump kids did on a daily basis for 4 years

funny thing is that as far as anyone can tell, nobody giving him money got an iota of access to his dad

so either he was scamming whichever company that was or, imo more likely, they were scamming other entities they dealt with by pointing to Hunter and pretending he could do corruption, lol

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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ManBoyChef posted:

I have never had a twitter account. Place sucks dude.

So one of the ballot measures we are voting for in this floridas midterms is a millage tax that will help pay for funding mental healthcare for schools. The unfortunate problem with these funds is they will also go to charter schools. I am kinda at a loss for what to do with this. I really think more mental healthcare is a must but I am absolutely angry that public funds are going into private hands in this way. Any other florida goons have any ideas?

It's extremely possible that there's some intricacy involved that would change my opinion, but here's my take: if the healthcare funding is competently managed and if there's not some sort of weird sneaky addition, I don't think it really matters all that much that some of that funding would go to private schools. Those kids still need mental healthcare, and subject to the above criteria I don't think much if any of that money would wind up in private pockets.

i will concede that "maybe we shouldn't give money to psychiatrists selected and employed by anti-gay religious schools" is a valid argument, if that's a dealbreaker for you that's perfectly fair

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Eric Cantonese posted:

You need to be a natural born citizen. It's not the kind of thing you can 6-3 your way out of without further undermining the legitimacy of the Supreme Court and I don't think even the most recent Trump appointees would have go that far.

I read Bannon has a whole campaign to take control of state legislatures to push a Constitutional convention and change the constitution without a popular vote being needed, but that's a bit more work.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/19/steve-bannon-us-constitution-tea-party-republican-state-legislatures

I'm... pretty sure that's not how a constitutional convention works. Even if you use it as the alternate method of proposing amendments, they still have to be ratified. unless you go with the original articles of confederation method of "the previous constitution is irrelevant because we say so" but that's obviously a recipe for attempted secession / attempted civil war if you don't already have the oomph for ratification

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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idiotsavant posted:

Jack has zero obligation to the Saudis. And while yeah, a bunch of these guys are all billionaires a lot of it is made-up money - if you tried to sell your $40 billion of Tesla stock for $40 billion actual real dollars you're going to run into some issues. This was an opportunity to get full face value for his stock at an inflated price, it is absolutely the moment you cash out as fast as possible.

saying that owning a company is made-up money is rather missing the point of capitalism - in theory, them owning all the capital means they'll keep making passive income off the labor of others, which is extremely real money - but yes it's difficult for people whose net worth is largely tied up in directly owning companies to actually liquidate it in the short term

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Nelson Mandingo posted:

Reminder that Elon Musk's father impregnated his step-daughter, twice.

This is unbelievable. That's "Cash out and go retire to your mountain fortress on a private island" money. My imposter syndrome is melting away rapidly over this entire exchange.

elon musk spent 44 billion dollars because he desires to dunk on his internet foes

the man has the heart of a true poster

Rappaport posted:

My assumption was it was a joke about some implausible chain of events involving semen-stains and a clothes dryer, but apparently I'm just not hip with the latest porno trends. Thank you SA forums, :10bux: remains a wonderful investment :patriot:

...same

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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GoutPatrol posted:

If you can weave a story about elder gods loving their Quip toothbrush after waking up from their relaxing Leesa mattress effectively then it could work

ngl they should have done a couple ads narrated by The Man From The Railroad

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Mendrian posted:


If you've ever talked to a business or an econ major they tell you this is the obvious solution to problems like this


wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong

if you've ever talked to a stupid, ignorant, and/or evil econ major, but actual competent economics studiers tend towards social democracy at the very least, because that's what reality tells us

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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evilweasel posted:

also econ majors don’t have the faintest clue how to run a business

microeconomics folks have a very faint clue, which apparently puts them about a billion miles ahead of elon musk


Tibalt posted:

My favorite econ thesis are the ones advocating for the abolishment of <clearly obvious thing that exists only to exploit people's need for a necessary good>.

Insulin manufacturing, Private health insurance, private healthcare in general, a particularly spicy one on landlords...

same

studying economics turned me into a socialist, lol

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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evilweasel posted:

my favorite Econ major fact is that the only people who really behave like a Rational Actor are sociopaths, and Econ majors aware they are being observed

my first Applied Microeconomics class did a lot of game theory experiments/demonstrations and allow me to say, l m a o

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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my presumption is that a followup court case would be "no, paying them forty-nine cents per hour doesn't count" but eh, we'll see

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Young Freud posted:

No vacations EVER for the GOP congresspeople if they take power. Boebert should hope she loses because she'll have to work a full-time job for the first time in her life.

I fully expect this to happen. The J6 inquiries are to go on until the new session starts and they're bound to find something.

she's completely loving nuts but she worked for McDonald's and then oil/gas companies

instead she'll throw a tantrum about her comfort gun or Mccarthy turning down her demand to investigate the caverns under Denver Airport run by the demon horse

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Charlz Guybon posted:

Is this something you made up on the spot, or is it actually a reference to something?

it's a crazy reference, but it's a reference

the Denver Airport has an actual modest tunnel system under it and also, its mascot is a big creepy metal horse statue that, upon completion, fell on its maker and killed him

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Eric Cantonese posted:

So any of you got a take on this drama over Chris Magnus? He just had to resign as head of Customs and Border Protection.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/12/us/chris-magnus-resigns-cbp.html

It doesn't give me high hopes that much can be done with changing how CBP operates. It also reinforces my worries about how powerful (in all the wrong ways) the border patrol's union is. I hope they can find a replacement soon, though.

that... does not sound good

i knew mayorkas was not on board with the "send all the shitters to secure the Montana border against maple syrup smugglers" sort of justified purge reform plan but this is a bummer

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Veryslightlymad posted:

If, and this is a big, big if, they wanted to block such a thing, this is indeed the justification that they would attempt to use. However, I am not sure it passes muster. Individual state marriage laws have always struck me as pretty odd. It's a bit of a disaster if one state recognizes your marriage but another doesn't.

We can try to claim marriage as this personal or spiritual or sacred thing all we want, but at the end of the day, as far as the government and all entities outside the marriage are concerned, it's just a financial contract, and probably the most common kind of contract outside of general employment. Leaving that up to the states is more trouble than it's worth.

specifically pre-Lawrence iirc full faith and credit meant gay marriages from good states were legally required to be recognized in bad states

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Shooting Blanks posted:

I don't think this is really a wealth issue so much as it is a foreign sovereign immunity issue. In general, the US doesn't want its citizens to sue foreign governments; it's similar to JASTA in 2016, and it's something that Congress has acknowledged would be a problem.

It's not new or novel, it's a longstanding policy within the US. Yes, it sucks, but I think this was always expected.

the article also kinda sucks, doesn't even mention what part of the administration

it could easily be doj lawyers saying "this is our understanding of the law"

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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the_steve posted:

It's just the Republican equivalent of Trump's tax returns

no, it isn't, because there is no plausible universe in which comparing his tax returns to his bank loan paperwork or his internal financials do not reveal an actual factual crime on the part of Donald Trump himself

which is, you know, why NY is seeking to prosecute him for precisely those crimes

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Hunter's Burisma involvement was, you know, worth an investigative once-over. What if Papa Biden did provide a quid pro quo to Burisma? It got it, long before the laptop. As far as I can tell, Biden snubbed the half-assed attempt to get access, and then a bit later the Obama admin actively if indirectly dunked on Burisma, by pushing the incredibly corrupt Ukrainian attorney (...general?) burying that investigation and a bunch of others. Someone in the chain was definitely getting schnookered, and my guess it would be any of Burisma's clients and investors who didn't know that the Hunter Biden connection didn't actually give Burisma access. The company kept him on after the snub, after all.

The laptop is a non-story and if Hunter loses some money for evading taxes, who cares.


Discendo Vox posted:

It's the top story on the washington post, new york times, cnn, time...

yeah

i am... let's go with unhappy that this round of stochastic terrorism is more active than many

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Ghost Leviathan posted:

Why on earth would they want to go after their friends and colleagues?

the FBI have an awful lot of flaws but part of their remit is to dunk on the worst of the worst police departments, which they do sometimes, and domestic terrorists regardless of flavor, which they do sometimes

I mean, it's how we have the ongoing scoop up of various Jan 2021 coup morons

I mention the FBI specifically because of the police department thing, but more broadly federal lawn order isn't, well, pro-this

are they going to come down hard enough? almost certainly not, we're seeing the resources committed against a literal attempted coup and that effort is merely fine, pulverizing the entire stochastic terrorism structure of the far right would be another animal entirely

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Extremely short version: if the inflation* problem is global, which it really REALLY is, there's only so much that monetary policy and, ugh, demand destruction can do. We should right now today be subsidizing the less well off to balance out any cooling efforts that, again, may be of limited value due to the global nature of the crunch.

The Fed should have the ability to push button and send out stimulus checks. They SOMEWHAT do already, it's just laundered through banks and other wealthy entities. Literally trickle down.

* - calling the current situation 'inflation' is literally accurate in the CPI sense, but most people imagine inflation as a money supply problem, which this really really is not

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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FizFashizzle posted:

Love that we’re the new dreamers: a political football that’s too toxic to act on either way.

Punting like last weekends jets - patriots game.

I mean, the whole reason there's litigation is that the administration is trying to unilaterally cancel quite a lot of money in loans

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Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

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Sephyr posted:

In all honesty, he WAS trying...in his own crook fashion. Trump -really- wanted to send another round of relief checks right before the election, but McConnel and the other GOP bigshots nipped it in the bud. Either because they thought giving that much cash away to people instead of banks and cronies was way too much communism, or to actively trip Trump and get control back. Likely both.

yeah Trump was real fuckin bad as far as getting people the help they need in almost every way, but I will concede that "just sending people money makes them like you" is simple enough that it seems to have stuck in his brain for more than nine minutes

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