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| Shohei Ohtani |
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50 | 59.52% |
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19 | 22.62% |
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15 | 17.86% |
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The shameful sell-off rebuilding Cubs: 74-88 The "competing" Angels, who had Ohtani and Trout: 73-89 Popete posted:Cubs should sign Trea Turner  FlamingLiberal posted:I assume that players like Brenden Davis and Pete Crow-Armstrong will probably be starting for the Cubs by midseason at the latest Mervis, Davis, and Canario are all serious threats to break camp with the Cubs in spring, although I suspect we may see some or all held back
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Oct 6, 2022 03:04
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Also the Cubs for the first time in like a loving decade and a half have shitloads of upper-minors pitching depth both for the pen and the rotation and they also drafted roughly a quintillion pitchers in the draft this year so it's entirely possible they trade some of their arms for an actual bonafide ace or AS-caliber bat.
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Oct 6, 2022 03:07
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Cubs absolutely need to go after one of the big SS FA's. Honestly and I know I'll get poo poo for this, but Madrigal sucks and if you can get Turner to agree to shift to 2B that's the optimal outcome. If none of them will move then gently caress it Correa at SS and Nico at 2B is still two GG's up the middle. Mervis and Wisdom can platoon at 1B, have Morel work on his throws and man 3B. Assuming he doesn't get hurt Davis should be up sooner rather than later and can hold down CF until PCA arrives, then shift to LF.
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Oct 6, 2022 04:33
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FlamingLiberal posted:https://twitter.com/jeffpassan/status/1577853881769394178?s=46&t=95KKRqdGaD0helZFgl2mSA lol eat poo poo, hope he's out of the game for good.
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Oct 6, 2022 04:47
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Is it bad if my first thought on the 134 number was "really that's it? Less than one per game!"  Carlosologist posted:I don’t necessarily think Rizzo will opt out of his deal. Aging 1Bs tend to not get big contracts and I think Rizzo’s current deal is fair enough. Also I love him and I want him to be a Yankee until his career is over I tend to agree but it's also worth remembering that we're getting an IF shift ban next year and Rizzo is traditionally one of the most heavily shifted on players in the game, so he may stand as one of the best to benefit.
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Oct 6, 2022 19:10
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This was the first year of Rizzo's career in the statcast era that OAA rated him as a below average defender at 1B. Could be age, could be his back issues, could just be some flukieness.
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Oct 6, 2022 19:39
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:7 years ago today 99% of things that happened pre-2020 feel like another lifetime ago to me at this point but somehow I just can't believe the 2015-2016 Cubs were 6-7 years ago. It feels like yesterday.
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Oct 7, 2022 23:14
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Welcome Rays fans, drinks are over by the buffet table.
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Oct 8, 2022 22:14
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Sydin posted:Welcome
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Oct 9, 2022 01:59
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DurosKlav posted:Go everyone but the Dodgers, Yankees. or Mets.
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Oct 9, 2022 05:20
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There's been a bunch of smoke around Contreras to the Cardinals and maybe it's my homerism but I just can't see it. The Cardinals have for years operated with Yadi: the most exemplary defender, framer, and game caller behind the plate in the game. Contreras can absolutely mash and he's got a cannon, but he's also subpar at defense, framing, and game calling. Just feels like it would be way too much of a system shock to the Cardinals pitching staff.
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Oct 9, 2022 21:57
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Well Played Mauer posted:Maybe get a pitcher in return. I hear Montgomery has some experience pitching in New York. lmao
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Oct 10, 2022 04:41
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He also said the Cubs are in the early stages of trying to extend Ian Happ which is... surprising to put it mildly. Like yeah Happ had a great year and by all accounts loves Chicago and wants to stay a Cub for life but also the Cubs have a ton of OF prospects (half of their top ten in fact!) and in particular Davis and Canario look to basically be MLB ready. IDK maybe if they can extend Happ on a reasonable deal they'll trade some of the depth away for impact-now talent?
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Oct 10, 2022 22:18
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https://twitter.com/CodifyBaseball/status/1575652104307212289 lol most teams had a guy who threw more 97+ MPH pitches for a strike in one outing than the Cubs threw combined all season. Not great!
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Oct 11, 2022 17:36
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STAC Goat posted:Wait... 12? Clearly I'm spoiled and my perspective is skewed since the Yankees like trippled up most of the league but how is that even possible? Do the Cubs just have one reliever who throws hard who got traded? Was it Effros? Effross can't throw that hard, and neither could anybody in our pen this year, really. Alzolay and Wesneski can dial it up to 96-97 if they absolutely max out, which isn't often (also both didn't show up until the last month of the season). Stroman, Steele, Keegan, Smyly, Assad, and Sampson all average in the low 90's, Miley in the high 80's. ManRod was throwing triple digits last year but his velo was way down this season. Cubs just don't have a lot of velo at the MLB level right now, although based on the recent drafts they seem to be trying to work towards fixing that.
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Oct 11, 2022 20:35
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lol he deleted it
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Oct 11, 2022 22:38
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https://twitter.com/PatrickKFlowers/status/1579948614289612801 There's quite a bit to unpack in this one, but Joe specifically talks about his exit from Chicago a lot more than I think he ever has before, and lol it's pretty much exactly what I expected: quote:According to Maddon, his downfall in Chicago started after the 2018 loss to the Colorado Rockies in the National League Wild Card Game. Emphasis mine, literally "Am I out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong."
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Oct 11, 2022 23:09
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STAC Goat posted:It can be a misinterpretation but I kinda read him as pushing up against organizational mandates more than the players. I dunno. It’s kind of phrased in a passive voice kind of way. “There was a players meeting and then I was informed there was a problem.” So is he just trying to avoid saying players revolted or is he saying the front office was being a third party disrupter? But that last quote seems to be talking specifically about organizational scheduling and practice stuff. But of course it’s all one side of the story. He talks about it more in the parts of the interview regarding his exit from the Angels, but essentially it sounds like Joe's view of FO's and analytics is that they serve a purpose, but shouldn't have direct influence or say in lineup construction or on-field decisions. He wants the FO guys to crunch the numbers and identify the best talent to get for the roster in the offseason, and provide scouting reports to coaches and managers, but for the coaches and managers to be the ones to decide if and how to convey that information to the players or action it on the field. He specifically talks negatively about how the Angels FO would give him a list of pitchers who should be available on any given day, or even calling him in the dugout mid-game to tell him what bullpen guy to start warming up. "I want baseball guys making baseball decisions and front office guys making front office decisions" in other words, basically the total opposite of how the "modern" FO works and expects to wield power. And in a sense I do get it: if the FO gets to decide who's on the roster and who the starting lineup is and who is available out of the pen, what the hell is the manager even there for other than to massage the clubhouse? But that's just how baseball is trending, and if Joe's stated stance that he's only willing to come back to managing if he gets full control over lineups and in-game decisions then I think he's managed his last team, for better or worse.
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Oct 12, 2022 08:22
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Correa turned 28 a little under a month ago and just put up a 140 wRC+ season and plays a premium defensive position, there will be a solid deal for him out there. Yeah he's a douchebag but as we discussed with Chapman that gets tolerated when you're putting up elite results between the lines. My guess is he will look to at an absolute minimum match the Seager contract (10/325) given their similar age and track record over the same number of seasons (130 vs 129 wRC+). Correa's glove took a noticeable step back this season according to OAA, but all the other defensive stats love him and it could just be new ballpark flukiness so  Kevlar v2.0 posted:Sucks that all the good FAs are shortstops. Cubs need corner infielders. Should go get Xander if the Red Sox don't extend him first. He can play 3B and Mervis/Wisdom can platoon 1B. Alternatively, I would not be surprised to see the Cubs make a big trade. They have an absolute log jam in the OF pipe with Happ/Suzuki/Morel already up, Canario/Davis/PCA ready in the 1-2 season range and Cassie/Alcantara ready in 3-4. Throw in some pitching prospects on top and the Cubs could swing something pretty big, imo.
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Oct 13, 2022 18:30
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I meant more their general attitudes, even without the domestic abuse Chapman is just kind of a dickhead and it was known and tolerated until he started to suck.
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Oct 13, 2022 18:38
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IcePhoenix posted:I never really got rear end in a top hat vibes from correa this year tbqh https://twitter.com/TalkinBaseball_/status/1575608943883079681 I get what he's trying to say, but lol, okay bro. "When I want something, I get it" yeah even if you gotta cheat for it 
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Oct 13, 2022 18:45
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He's less obnoxious than Bregman so that's... something, I guess?
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Oct 13, 2022 20:06
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R.D. Mangles posted:THROW ME A FASTBALL BRO. YOU COWARD STRIKING ME OUT WITH CURVEBALLS. THROW A FASTBALL. That was against Joe Kelly though who's also a cloying rear end in a top hat, so it's a wash.
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Oct 13, 2022 20:08
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If the Cubs sign Correa I will cheer for him to hit dingers, it's just that if the Cubs are actually going to sign one of the big SS FA's and I had a choice, I would rather it not be the entitled baby who banged the cans.
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Oct 13, 2022 22:37
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seiferguy posted:Well uh, this doesn't bode well for the guy: At this point you just have to assume he doesn't like or want to be in Seattle, right? He was perennially a plus-plus bat until totally falling off this year, and he's only 28 so it's not like he hit an age wall or anything. Throw this in on top and it just seems like he's not getting along with anybody. Hand Knit posted:What would an Ohtani trade package look like? I feel like the Jays have at least the start of one in something like Moreno/Tiedemann/Gurriel but it's been a long time since I've paid such close attention to either the Jays' farm system or prospect trade values more generally. My guess is the Angels would want a king's ransom under the expectation that anybody who trades for Ohtani is immediately going to go all in to extend him long term. Soto-level returns as a baseline, would be my guess.
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Oct 18, 2022 19:58
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IIRC There was an estimate that Othani brings in $20-35M extra revenue for the Angels above and beyond other players because of his marketability, popularity, and appeal in Japan. If that's true then it's also possible that the Angels won't trade Ohtani, and instead use him as part of the pitch to potential buyers: hey not only will you get the Angels but if you immediately go all in and extend Ohtani, you'll get a guy who brings in a ton of extra dollars. Which would actually be the opposite of the Soto situation, where he got dumped because potential new owners didn't want to inherit the bad will that would come with refusing to give Soto the $500M extension or whatever he wants.
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Oct 18, 2022 20:14
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Hand Knit posted:This goes back to me not understanding prospect values. I'm with you that the trade would take a king's ransom. I just don't have a good feel on just how much the Jays would have to put together to ransom King Ohtani. I mean it obviously starts with Kirk/Moreno because that's the best trade piece they have to offer. And then Tiedemann is their next best prospect (I think) and Gurriel is a decent player being displaced. The question is, I guess, how much more and how good would the Jays have to add to that. (And, I guess similarly, what's the trade value of guys like Orelvis Martinez.) It all kinda depends on the Angels own internal scouting of the Jays farm. Prospect rankings are fun for our benefit but FO's don't really put much stock in them: they have their own proprietary evaluations of their farm and the farms of potential trade partners. It's possible the Angels will demand guys you've never even heard of, or say your "top" prospects actually suck by their internal reckoning and they want MLB-ready talent instead.
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Oct 18, 2022 20:19
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Cubs should trade for Ohtani and also pick up Senga when he gets posted this offseason. Just bring in all the cool Japanese players.
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Oct 18, 2022 20:39
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Nico not being a finalist at SS is some BS. Tied for second in OAA with Lindor and absolutely passed the eye test. Also  at Yelich being a finalist, he was an absolutely dogshit defender this year. Did they just pick names out of a hat?
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Oct 20, 2022 20:47
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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:Rangers hire Bruce Bochy as manager lol what the gently caress
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Oct 21, 2022 19:19
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R.D. Mangles posted:https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/1583535729707483136?s=20&t=c3V1F_HcZLqf4lvab4zgHw lol cowards Are the Ricketts still dodging the Cubs convention because of that one time Tom got relentlessly booed?
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Oct 21, 2022 20:30
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more falafel please posted:No, they announced the dates for it, Jan 13-15. No I mean the Ricketts used to have a panel at the convention where they'd take fan questions. But during the '19 convention where the Cubs not only didn't even kick the tires on Harper, but did absolutely nothing with their biggest signing being Daniel Descalso, Tom got heckled by the audience after he cried poor as the reason for why they didn't make bigger moves. After that they canceled the panel and AFAIK it's never come back.
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Oct 21, 2022 21:12
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Kevlar v2.0 posted:"HEY! STAR! HEY!" One of my favorite games to go back and watch in full because the broadcast starts off sucking Kershaw's dick like a vacuum while talking about how Maddon can "maybe hope" to get 3-4 out of Kyle. And then whoops lol we get one of the most iconic October Kershaw choke jobs while Hendricks is pitching the game of his life and Buck/Smoltz go through like the five stages of grief realizing what's happening.  Also gently caress you Joe six years on and I'm still mad you pulled Kyle in the 8th, he could have gotten that GIDP just as easily as the wife beating piece of poo poo.
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Oct 22, 2022 19:45
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Mustached Demon posted:Kershaw didn't have a terrible game either. It wasn't good nor anywhere near good-Kershaw but it wasn't a bad outing. If they won that game the story would have been "he pitched good enough." Except cool Kyle was determined to go to the WS and no dodger bat was gonna stop him. He didn't have his slider at all and was very clearly being shook by the crowd. So it was just FB/CB mostly. Also he inexplicably tried to do the drop-down side arm FB thing to Rizzo even though Rizzo was all over that pitch previously and was then shocked when Rizzo took him yard. more falafel please posted:Yup, 3 baserunners. Two singles given up by Kyle one his first pitch and last pitch, both erased by GIDP, one BB from Chapman also erased by GIDP. Kyle was striking guys out swinging throwing 90 at the top of the zone, it ruled.
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Oct 22, 2022 22:28
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Well Played Mauer posted:Maybe their tactical decisions affect a 1-game swing, but culturally it has to have a larger impact. Everyone's worked a place where the management culture was dog poo poo. You can't tell me that the person responsible for maintaining cohesion and keeping people focused over what's basically a crunch schedule for 6-8 months has a minimal impact on performance. Yeah clubhouse culture matters and absolutely has an impact on performance that can't be easily quantified. Sorry but if the Phils stick with Girardi I don't think they even sniff the postseason.
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Oct 24, 2022 18:44
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Paracaidas posted:Given Lindsey's posting bonafides I'm guessing this is like Arif and a number of others choosing to GTFO of NYT's extremely restrictive social media & social issues policies. At least, hoping it was her choice. But then, cutting back on NYT/Athletic coverage overlap would make sense to shortsighted morons and Lindsey's the easier to drop if that's the goal. It's actually infuriating realizing that stuff like the bombshell reporting on Callaway that finally exposed his serial abuse and got him run out of the league is now heavily discouraged if not outright prohibited by NYT's management. The Athletic was such a breath of fresh air in sports journalism and now it's been absolutely ruined by chaining it to a loving rag primarily interested in 
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Oct 24, 2022 22:04
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Intruder posted:https://twitter.com/Urshela10/status/1584530173202157569 I mean to be fair Cashman flat-out said Gio "is no Josh Donaldson" about the trade so were I in his shoes I'd be taking a little victory lap too.
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Oct 25, 2022 02:13
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https://www.nj.com/yankees/2022/10/giants-on-mission-to-steal-aaron-judge-from-yankees-they-wont-be-underbid.htmlquote:The Giants have targeted Judge and are prepared to spend whatever it takes, a person with knowledge of the Giants’ thinking told NJ Advance Media after meeting with members of the franchise’s ownership group. The person, who isn’t authorized to speak on behalf of the team, was granted anonymity. Honestly I expected the Giants to sit it out a couple years given the surging Dodgers and Padres, so it'd be neat if they said actually nah gently caress that noise and went all in on signing Judge + a couple other top tier FA's. That said Judge's all fields HR approach would get suppressed to hell and back by Oracle.
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Oct 26, 2022 03:20
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FlamingLiberal posted:He’s back Oh my god just gently caress off old man.
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Oct 26, 2022 17:57
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idk about Boone but I think at least right now the disconnect between fans and industry people regarding Cashman is that Cashman has historically been one of the best GM's in the league, but he honestly kinda stunk it up this year in some very visible ways. The Donaldson-Gio swap turned out to be a straight downgrade, big name SS's like Seager/Story/Correa were passed up in the offseason for a cheaper IKF trade who Cashman assured everybody would break out and then he didn't, the whole missing out on Castillo but still trading away Montgomery fiasco, and trading away one of their better and MLB-ready pitching prospects in Wesneski for Effross, only to see Effross quickly go down for 18 months needing TJS while Wesneski excelled with the Cubs down the stretch. And those are just the ones I remember as a casual outside observer, I'm sure mcmagic could crack open the ancient book of Yankee fan grudges and pile more on.
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