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Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Saladman posted:

I was surprised that the Baltics were not more directly affected. I thought they were getting like the vast majority of their gas from Russia? E: Also NL is surprising, since they produce a lot of gas and didn't import much from Russia, so I'm not really sure on how The Economist is calculating these metrics.

The Baltics, which have been telling Europeans for years that Russia uses energy as a weapon, used the last decade to build alternatives, an LNG terminal in Lithuania, the shale industry in Estonia and a gas connector LT-PL

# ¿ Oct 12, 2022 12:30

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Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

https://theins.ru/en/news/256182

quote:

Occupiers demolish Great Famine Memorial in Mariupol saying Ukraine suffered least

The occupation authorities have dismantled the memorial to the victims of the Great Famine that was erected 18 years ago in central Mariupol, RIA Novosti reports.

�According to historical sources, famine used to affect the southern regions of Russia and then the Soviet Union every few decades. Ukraine and Donbass were not among the regions most affected by the 1932-33 famine, but Kazakhstan, the Volga region, and the North Caucasus were,� said Artem Bobrovsky, head of the department at Donetsk National University with a PhD in history, who was present at the demolition.

�It's not a monument that we are demolishing, but a symbol of political misinformation... As we were teaching the history of Ukraine, the idea of �genocide� and �Holodomor� was forced upon us... No textbook or teacher described what really happened. Unfortunately, all this was hidden not only from school kids but also from their parents,� Yevgenia Krotova, a representative of the central headquarters of the Young Republic NGO, told the news agency.

According to various sources, from 2.2 to 3.9 million Ukrainians died of starvation in 1932-1933. In 2006, the Holodomor was recognized by Ukrainian law as the genocide of the Ukrainian people.

Looks like there will be some employment opportunities for american basement dwellers to show up on RT and explain how technically, it wasn't a genocide and didn't happen anyway and happened only to those grain hiding counter-revolutionaries

# ¿ Oct 19, 2022 13:39

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Dastardly Iranians are fighting their stupid proxy war against the US to the last Russian instead of respecting spheres of influence!!!

Iran sending Russia weapons is only prolonging the conflict and the suffering of the russian people before the inevitable defeat

Russia needs to give up and be neutral and maybe then its sovereignty can be guaranteed by superpowers, instead of being a puppet of its Islamic masters

You can flip the narrative 1:1 this rules

Somaen fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Oct 21, 2022

# ¿ Oct 21, 2022 10:03

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

https://mobile.twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1585532677268148224

Negotiations pls

# ¿ Oct 27, 2022 10:04

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

mobby_6kl posted:

Russia's been doing a lot of PR in Africa and this was certainly to make it look to the audience how reasonable wide-man Putin is and that it's just the NATO puppet nazi Zelensky refusing to stop the war.

Yeah I am wondering if he brought up the Azov Battalion and Desecrated Monuments to Zelensky somewhere in the conference lol

# ¿ Oct 27, 2022 10:15

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Ukraine attacked the black sea fleet based in Sevastopol tonight with drones

https://theins.ru/news/256508

Uh oh Crimea, integral part of Russia touched and Putin's Red Line has been crossed again, nukes about to fly, better give up

# ¿ Oct 29, 2022 08:30

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

I don't know the specifics or how much is launched from where but a lot of reports I read mentioned that some cruise missiles are being launched from the Caspian sea

# ¿ Oct 31, 2022 12:45

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

https://mobile.twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1587167853412847616

:getin:

# ¿ Nov 1, 2022 00:30

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

During a live stream with one or another Russian opposition person, Arestovych (advisor to the president doing PR and a beefcake) said that Ukraine exhausted its attack potential weapons wise and there won't be any Kharkov-like offensives until that is replenished by Western military aid. At this point even Kherson is looking unlikely this year, nevermind the other bank

Edit:
https://twitter.com/PutinDirect/status/1588524589948506113

Grandpa that likes to complain about gays and transgenders with 35 pronouns is now mocking people that ran away from his invading rapist army and bombings for having it too good

Somaen fucked around with this message at 17:31 on Nov 4, 2022

# ¿ Nov 4, 2022 16:36

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

2nd military of the world news: revolts due to a lack of food and logs for heating

https://youtu.be/WUxfK9Vg_yI

Recovering historic greatness is going really well and we're somewhere in 1917

# ¿ Nov 5, 2022 11:34

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

There has been less scaremongering regarding nuclear weapons use, could it be that Scholz and Xi made a deal where they made the chimp with a grenade shut the gently caress up about Armageddon?

https://mobile.twitter.com/bopanc/status/1588597226015756291

# ¿ Nov 6, 2022 11:12

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

This is a guy from Moldova I actively follow, he says not too buy into news making it a very big deal - shows a picture from a drone saying that the protests weren't large, most of them are people bussed in for mass and that the pro-wrstern government has good support

https://mobile.twitter.com/latiniano/status/1589333097614839809

# ¿ Nov 7, 2022 12:18

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

I think this is some sort of nazi neopagan symbol that Zaluzhny is showing again out in the open, is this what you support, libs?

https://mobile.twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1590688574961520640

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# ¿ Nov 12, 2022 09:15

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Herstory Begins Now posted:

https://apnews.com/article/europe-indonesia-sergey-lavrov-g-20-summit-bali-bc297126b7542dd4e5342140d4a9b68e

article on it. basically no information currently beyond 'heart issues'

Went hog (horse?) wild on missed sanctioned food

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 11:23

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Signs of coming peace - Zelensky visits Russia (according to Russia)

https://mobile.twitter.com/Flash_news_ua/status/1592093676658135040

Edit: oops, late to post this

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 11:37

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

TheRat posted:

It's a sign of Ukrainian progress for sure, but a sign of coming peace?

I'm joking, it's funny that the area was occupied and officially declared a part of Russia and now isn't anymore and Putin is swallowing it down

Also notably the nukes aren't flying to put the doomers to rest

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 11:40

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Saladman posted:

Yeah, that was the first post on Twitter I saw under the original tweet too. Unfortunately it looks like in Russia "raccoon" is just a word (Енот) with seemingly no additional meaning, rather than it being a washing bear [German] or washing little rat [French].

The official name of the species is енот-полоскун which means raccoon-washer (sorta)

# ¿ Nov 14, 2022 15:43

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

https://twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1593158987800641536

The total interception rate according to the AFU is about 75% which seems pretty good. Wonder how long can Russia keep at this with the more or less accurate missiles before they run out

# ¿ Nov 17, 2022 11:18

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Well, due to inertia the debris is flying mostly in the same direction the rocket was going

Chalks posted:

The interception rate is also very tied to AD saturation. Today they launched 9 and the intercept rate was 100%

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It's not just a case of being able to keep it up, Russia needs to launch 80+ missiles at once just to land any hits at all

Yeah, but Kiev is very well defended by AA, I think if they focused on power plants and other infrastructure in the regions around the damage could be worse. In any case the high shootdown rate is very :getin:

# ¿ Nov 17, 2022 12:06

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

WarpedLichen posted:

I do wonder how people can buy the idea that Euromaiden was a western backed coup. It really did seem to me that if Russia's response hadn't been so heavy handed from the start this ball really wouldn't have started rolling at all.

It was "backed" in the sense that the US supported it verbally and some ambassadors brought food to the protestors. "Western backed" morphed from meaning something the security services orchestrated start to finish against the wishes of the populace to literally any popular uprising against an authoritarian government that has a goal to install a democratic government that might be friendly to developed countries and of course denies any agency to the people of the country because only a western backed structure could organize a revolt, the noble yet simple people of ____ would never rise up against the wise rulership of ____

# ¿ Nov 20, 2022 07:44

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1595525040740655118

Hans, are we the baddies?

# ¿ Nov 24, 2022 10:26

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Probably that the humanitarian disaster, chaos and damage to the military will force Ukraine into negotiations to freeze the conflict? Right now everyone is shocked and angry, but if it can become weeks or months of this then it's hard to predict what's going to happen, my hope is that it's Putin's last trump-card to try and destroy infrastructure - nuclear threats, conventional war, economic pressure all failed

# ¿ Nov 24, 2022 10:45

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Supposedly a pilot of one of the strategic bombers in the rank of major got got during the attack on Engels (Edit: actually this is Ryazan which is not as far)

https://mobile.twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1602167109425180672

:getin:

Somaen fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Dec 12, 2022

# ¿ Dec 12, 2022 09:56

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Here's an interesting piece about saving the government data to the cloud. The principle to store your sovereign data on your soil goes out the window when your sovereignty is at risk and involves putting SSDs into trucks

https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2022-12-15/amazon-ukraine-war-cloud-data

quote:

Since Februrary, Amazon has been playing Santa Claus to Ukraine, delivering planeloads of goods, including blankets, hygiene kits, diapers, food and toys, for the war-torn nation and refugees in Poland and other parts of Europe.

But long term, what�s more important to Ukrainians than the gifts coming in is what�s going out: massive amounts of government, tax, banking and property data vulnerable to destruction and abuse should Russian invaders get their hands on it.

Since the day Russia launched its invasion Feb. 24, Amazon has been working closely with the Ukrainian government to download essential data and ferry it out of the country in suitcase-sized solid-state computer storage units called Snowball Edge, then funneling the data into Amazon�s cloud computing system.

�This is the most technologically advanced war in human history,� said Mykhailo Fedorov, Ukraine�s 31-year-old vice prime minister and minister of digital transformation, referring not just to weapons but data too. Amazon Web Services� �leadership made a decision that saved the Ukrainian government and economy.�

Amazon has invested $75 million so far in its Ukraine effort, which includes the data transfer via the Snowballs. Fedorov, speaking at a tech conference in Las Vegas this month, called it �priceless.�

The data, 10 million gigabytes so far, represent �critical information infrastructure. This is core for operation of the economy, of the tax system, of banks, and the government overall,� he said. The data also include property records whose safekeeping can help prevent theft of Ukrainian homes, businesses and land.

Through history, invaders have �come in and staged fake referendum and parceled out the land to their chums,� said Liam Maxwell, head of government transformation at Amazon Web Services, the company�s highly profitable cloud computing arm. �That kind of thing has been happening since William the Conquerer.�

The Odessa Journal newspaper reported in June that residents of the Russian-occupied city of Mariupol whose homes had been destroyed were being moved into the homes of citizens who had fled the area, and were being forced to find those who left and pressure them to cooperate in some fashion with the Russians.

Maxwell, who�s based in London, had already been working with Ukraine for years when it became clear by January that Russia planned to attack the country.

At the time, Ukrainian law required the majority of government data and certain private data to be housed on servers in Ukraine. In February, parliament changed that law to allow the information transfer.

On Feb. 24, the day of the invasion, Maxwell met for lunch with Ukrainian Ambassador Vadym Prystaiko at the Ukrainian Embassy in London.

They sketched out with pen and paper a list of the most essential data: the population register, land and property ownership records, tax payment records, bank records, education registries, anti-corruption databases and more. The project involved 27 Ukrainian ministries, 18 Ukrainian universities, the country�s largest remote learning K-12 school serving hundreds of thousands of displaced children, and dozens of other private sector companies including Ukraine�s largest private financial institution, PrivatBank.

Early on, the Snowball units, in their shock-proof gray containers, were flown from Dublin to Krakow, Poland. Then the Ukrainians �spirited these devices over the border� into Ukraine, Maxwell said.

After the data downloads, much of the information is being sent to the cloud over secure networks, and the Snowballs, loaded with up to 80 terabytes of encrypted data each, are shipped back to Amazon. For good reason, Maxwell doesn�t want to say where, but says �it�s a tense moment around the baggage carousel. Here�s government in a box, literally.�

Once it�s in the cloud and distributed around the world, everyone breathes easier. �You can�t take out the cloud with a cruise missile,� Maxwell said.

The mission required speed, organization and deep technical skill. Maxwell said Fedorov, �a man in a hurry,� ticked all the boxes.

Still, Amazon spent time training the Ukrainians on how the AWS system works. That free training has been extended to refugees in Poland and in other locations in Europe. There�s an upside for Amazon, in addition to recognition for its efforts: Maxwell notes that the program is equipping those refugees with crucial tech skills � and in the process expanding AWS� talent base.

Amazon didn�t have to worry about its relationship with Russia on the Snowball project. It doesn�t have one. �We didn�t have anything to turn off there,� Maxwell said. �We had never invested there. It�s a point of principle.�

Since the project began, other countries have told Amazon they�re interested in out-of-the-country cloud backups of government data. Maxwell wouldn�t say which countries but noted keen interest from East Asia.

# ¿ Dec 19, 2022 12:25

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

https://mobile.twitter.com/themattdimitri/status/1605967960845287424

Wow this guy still don't miss!! Excellent analysis and understanding of reality. Truly a Realist, unlike us starry eyed idealistic sheeple, who got some growing up to do.

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# ¿ Dec 23, 2022 10:57

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

cinci zoo sniper posted:

No, we're not that huge on applauding at every occasion.

Except for when the plane lands

# ¿ Dec 23, 2022 20:56

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Chalks posted:

Reports of explosions at Engels airbase for a second time. Kinda incredible that they'd be able to hit such a sensitive target twice, implies that the Russians are incapable of stopping them.

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1607164922458263552

Three people died according to the insider that's sourcing the ministry of defense https://theins.ru/news/258153

Ho ho ho motherfuckers :getin:

looks like this time the UAV was shot down by AA after they put a bunch of it there due to the successful first raid

Somaen fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Dec 26, 2022

# ¿ Dec 26, 2022 09:50

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

One of the witnesses from the article claims that the explosion was not as strong as the attack at the start of the month, so taking into account the fog of war (in the middle of Russia a thousand Kms from the front at that) and the ministry of defence lying, it was either a successful hit or the AA took it down and the debris killed a bunch of people in the process

Edit: one journalist noting that on the 5th of December the russian defence ministry reported exactly the same - UAV shot down, three killed, four injured. The damaged planes were politely left out

Somaen fucked around with this message at 11:32 on Dec 26, 2022

# ¿ Dec 26, 2022 10:18

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

The Kremlin is not a military target? That's where the war criminal grandpa lives

# ¿ Dec 26, 2022 18:47

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

It's a good warning because Russia has to stretch their AA thin by getting them to defend cities deep inside, far away from the front

# ¿ Dec 26, 2022 18:54

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

aphid_licker posted:

Dumb question, what's the Russian idiom that's always translated with "direction", and is it new? I never noticed it before the maps in this war started going this happened in the city1 direction and that happened in the city2 direction. But I admittedly read basically no Russian. Is there something to it beyond just being the Russian way of saying "in the x region"?

В направлении - literally in the direction of, think maps with arrows on the front pointing at the direction of where troops are shooting towards. Means like you said in the region

# ¿ Dec 28, 2022 18:59

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Excellent new year's appeal by Reznikov in Russian to Russians

- Second wave of mobilization is going to start after new year's, the borders fully closed
- If you come to Ukraine you'll die or be disabled
- Russia is fighting for the Kremlin's wealth and power and nothing else
- Russia is going to pay reparations for generations, but that's a small price to pay for the average peaceful citizen. people who participate in war crimes directly will face punishment

Pretty much what knowledgeable analysts have been saying for the past three months, but very nicely put

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHtZbx7Z61U

Somaen fucked around with this message at 15:37 on Dec 31, 2022

# ¿ Dec 31, 2022 15:31

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Willo567 posted:

Is this based on any intelligence or just his prediction?

Most likely intelligence because 1) they have the resources for it 2) saying that and not being true would look bad

Russian analysts have been predicting that a second wave of mobilization will be needed due to a continuing lack of manpower for a while now so no reason not to believe those claims

# ¿ Dec 31, 2022 17:18

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

We'll find out, Christmas time (a week from now, the non-heretic one) is probably an easy time to find people staying with their families to give them the mobilization notices

# ¿ Dec 31, 2022 19:47

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Reminder that real leftists have international solidarity

https://mobile.twitter.com/jamforyou_/status/1609334719660843010

# ¿ Jan 1, 2023 09:23

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Lol what the gently caress

https://mobile.twitter.com/Euan_MacDonald/status/1609678603456839686

Judgy Fucker posted:

Don�t bother, CZS is the official �dictator� of the thread per Koos Group and at least one admin (Athanatos, I think) and can do whatever the gently caress he wants. Asking for accountability is a fool�s errand, if you post here know you�re at the mercy of a power-tripping dweeb who insisted they never wanted to be a mod in the first place. I had asked about another similarly-vague probe and not only did CZS refuse to elaborate they were a prick about it to boot. Then he lied about the nature of the PM conversation in QCS. Tread carefully.

And based on previous behavior, I�m looking forward to a �pithy� reply to me after I�ve been proved, because CZS is a coward

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Stop obsessively reading this thread you dumb American loser

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# ¿ Jan 2, 2023 10:11

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Shibawanko posted:

how much of a threat is the belarussian army?

None. Their defense budget is lower than any of the baltic states individually. Even less motivation to fight Ukrainians, especially after it has been going badly

The real concern is if Russia amasses a force there again to attack from the north which is unlikely for now

# ¿ Jan 8, 2023 20:07

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Herstory Begins Now posted:

Man I remember a bunch of pro-Russian people 4 months ago insisting that Europe was going to be freezing and unable to afford gas all winter and that western support for Ukraine was on the verge of drying up.

That prediction did not age very well.

Brought to you by "I have it on good authority that Vladimir Putin is a smart powerful man and he will not invade Ukraine and all of this is lies by the CIA. I have worked for the US government for years and I can assure you they only hire idiots who are clueless"

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# ¿ Jan 18, 2023 10:25

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Anti missile systems being placed on top of buildings in Moscow

https://mobile.twitter.com/taxfreelt/status/1616105495915368449

https://mobile.twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1616081111351980032

Reminder that the "security concerns" justifying the invasion were that if Ukraine joins NATO, there will be missiles based there that will have a very short flight time to Moscow

I wish the insane grandpa had therapy instead of materialising his fears and anxieties and killing possibly hundreds of thousands in the process

# ¿ Jan 19, 2023 17:19

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 16:40

Somaen: Nov 19, 2007; by vyelkin

Pook Good Mook posted:

We all assume that Ukraine isn't stupid enough to directly attack Moscow. Assuming we are correct, is this Putin and Moscow actually being scared, or trying to drum up internal fear to fight unrest about the multiple rounds of mobilization?

What's stupid about attacking Moscow, with its command centers and logistics hubs? Is it another red line not to be crossed or else Moscow will go super Saiyan or use nukes?

The russian military sees it as a credible threat so they have to spread their air defenses thin. The embarrassment of the strategic bombers bases being attacked is remarkable, hitting Moscow would be even more spectacular with people filming and putting that stuff online even if it gets shot down

# ¿ Jan 19, 2023 18:13

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