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evil_bunnY posted:The russians loved to say that about their export variants. Also it's Abrams. Phone typing, and autocorrect. Also there is a huge loving difference between depleted uranium armor and the composite armor on the export variant. Most of the export variants don't have the same engine, optics, or computer package the American variant does; however, I think the version sold to the Saudis uses the American optics.
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SaTaMaS posted:While that is extremely hilarious, I'd guess that US/UKR SIGINT was already perfectly capable of hearing everything RU transmits WarpedLichen posted:I agree the stolen radio is probably nothing, but as a counterpoint I would also be surprised if Russian radios are the latest crypto standards. Give it good odds that it's using some old 70s stuff like DES or comedy option some American chip with a NSA backdoor. KillHour posted:If the radio is using modern encryption standards, stealing it would not be nothing (at least for a little bit, until they realized what happened and change the encryption keys, or whatever the radio equivalent is). I'm saying that there is actually probably value there. If the radio is old / obsolete, it's less valuable because we could already break it.
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There's a difference between somebody somewhere in the U.S. being able to crack russian encryption (and maybe or maybe not sharing parts of it with someone who might or might not share parts of that with someone who might or might not share parts of that with you) and being able to listen to russian orders in real time.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:https://v.redd.it/i07a063ighca1 I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge that war, war never changes.
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WarpedLichen posted:I agree the stolen radio is probably nothing, but as a counterpoint I would also be surprised if Russian radios are the latest crypto standards. Give it good odds that it's using some old 70s stuff like DES or comedy option some American chip with a NSA backdoor. Russia has been infamous for broadcasting in the clear from the beginning of the war. Literally making the same mistakes as when they invaded east Prussia in 1914.
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Cable Guy posted:That vid was posted a few days ago via twit either in this thread or the D&D one with the commentary that its capture enabled UA to listen in to RU comms for nine days. IIRC they were able to gather intelligence on movements (and possibly some artillery hits out of it too). Can't find the post though. This being the D&D thread could explain why you cannot find a post I haven’t seen here. 
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Cable Guy posted:That vid was posted a few days ago via twit either in this thread or the D&D one with the commentary that its capture enabled UA to listen in to RU comms for nine days. IIRC they were able to gather intelligence on movements (and possibly some artillery hits out of it too). Can't find the post though. The tweet is this I think,  might have some dead bodies: https://twitter.com/serhiyprytula/status/1615039030017523717Auto-translated text: "And this is the drone that you and I bought for the K2 unit, which takes away the weapon of the slain occupier. These bastards didn't reset the connection, so we listened to the secret conversations of the occupiers for another 9 days. And the more conversations there were, the fewer the occupiers became  )"
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A terrible incident occurred this morning https://twitter.com/pravda_eng/status/1615625040141107204?t=Z8cR47u0fXBMZXfpkwQ6bQ&s=19
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cinci zoo sniper posted:This being the D&D thread could explain why you cannot find a post I haven’t seen here.  jaete posted:The tweet is this I think,
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Brown Moses posted:A terrible incident occurred this morning German Spiegel.de is reporting that the helicopter went down in the middle of a residential area next to a kindergarten. That's why half of the injured are children. From a political point of view, losing the minister of the interior and his deputy at the same time is also a disaster.
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Man I remember a bunch of pro-Russian people 4 months ago insisting that Europe was going to be freezing and unable to afford gas all winter and that western support for Ukraine was on the verge of drying up. That prediction did not age very well. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Man I remember a bunch of pro-Russian people 4 months ago insisting that Europe was going to be freezing and unable to afford gas all winter and that western support for Ukraine was on the verge of drying up. Also Russia: climate change is not real and is also good for Russia.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Man I remember a bunch of pro-Russian people 4 months ago insisting that Europe was going to be freezing and unable to afford gas all winter and that western support for Ukraine was on the verge of drying up. Brought to you by "I have it on good authority that Vladimir Putin is a smart powerful man and he will not invade Ukraine and all of this is lies by the CIA. I have worked for the US government for years and I can assure you they only hire idiots who are clueless" (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Herstory Begins Now posted:Man I remember a bunch of pro-Russian people 4 months ago insisting that Europe was going to be freezing and unable to afford gas all winter and that western support for Ukraine was on the verge of drying up. Global warming sucks so it's hard to cheer for this silver lining, broadly speaking, but this might be a wake-up call for chuds like the Russian bootlickers that "gently caress around and find out" applies to literally everyone on the planet.
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Wagner PMC boss Prigozhin has announced that Youtube will soon be banned in Russia, with punishments for anyone who uses it https://t.me/concordgroup_official/288
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Flavahbeast posted:Wagner PMC boss Prigozhin has announced that Youtube will soon be banned in Russia, with punishments for anyone who uses it Is Prigozhin now also the Kremlin spokesman?
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Flavahbeast posted:Wagner PMC boss Prigozhin has announced that Youtube will soon be banned in Russia, with punishments for anyone who uses it Feels more like a rant about the avocado toast class, from text, but he could indeed have the inside information there.
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Flavahbeast posted:Wagner PMC boss Prigozhin has announced that Youtube will soon be banned in Russia, with punishments for anyone who uses it Prigozhin also publicly claimed that the governor of St Petersburg finances Ukrainian military, you should disregard whatever he says, ever.
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A helicopter carrying Ukrainian Ministry of Internal Affairs higher-ups, including the minister, crashed into a kindergarten near Kyiv. They were going to visit soldiers at the frontline. No word on what caused the crash yet, but everyone in the helicopter died as well as several people in the kindergarten and around it, including at least three kids. https://hromadske.ua/posts/u-brovarah-na-obyekt-socialnoyi-infrastrukturi-vpav-bezpilotnik E: Witnesses confirm that the helicopter was on fire as it went down. Looks like the pilot tried to steer it away from residential buildings to avoid even more deaths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_LsflWgkv8 Paladinus fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Imagine if banning youtube is the straw that breaks the camel's back.
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I had assumed that VK owned the video platform market share in Russia, but no, they're still second behind Youtube.
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Antigravitas posted:Pretty sure Bulgaria is an active producer of that ammo. You're correct. The Bulgarian arms industry is a huge producer of Soviet caliber ammunition and equipment.
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A bit outside the normal thread content, but I work in prosthetics and our main professional organization in the states published this as their last month's magazine cover: The story inside is an overview of the prosthetic situation in Ukraine and how the US prosthetist community has given assistance, including some practitioners traveling overseas. I can scan & post it if there's any interest.
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Some more news about GLSDBs being sent to Ukraine https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1615791971875885074 Could be extremely impactful. Here's a map illustrating how much difference the increased range will make: https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1615807717469491204
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Strykers seem to have a bad reputation? But well, gift horse and all that. Meanwhile Germany being Germany: https://mobile.twitter.com/bopanc/status/1615790451792953359 (I wonder if US has a Sherman it could send to a WW2 history museum?)
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canada is sending 200 apcs to ukraine https://nationalpost.com/news/canada-purchasing-200-armoured-personnel-carriers-for-ukraine as a layman i'm curious about the capabilities of these roshel senators. it looks like an up armored humvee, not sure how it compares to a m113 or stryker. either way, huge upgrade over being shuttled around the front in a mini-van https://twitter.com/steve_hanke/status/1615819512028495872 this seems like a dumb bit of misdirection, considering germany doesn't have to even commit its own tanks, it just has to let customers transfer their supplies forward. and uk has already sent domestic mbt and france sending a large gunned armored vehicle GhostofJohnMuir fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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OddObserver posted:Strykers seem to have a bad reputation? But well, gift horse and all that. I have to wonder where that dumb bullshit is coming from. It has zero relationship with reality. Is this Anglo journalists being too stupid to understand what "transatlantic partners" refers to, or something similarly Twitter-esque?
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Antigravitas posted:I have to wonder where that dumb bullshit is coming from. It has zero relationship with reality. Is this Anglo journalists being too stupid to understand what "transatlantic partners" refers to, or something similarly Twitter-esque? Are you saying they are really worrying about what Canada does rather than what US does?
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Antigravitas posted:I have to wonder where that dumb bullshit is coming from. It has zero relationship with reality. Is this Anglo journalists being too stupid to understand what "transatlantic partners" refers to, or something similarly Twitter-esque? Politico’s German sources said that verbatim a few days ago.
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I'm saying it's a hoax. e: cinci zoo sniper posted:Politico’s German sources said that verbatim a few days ago. Politico is a garbage publication run by the equivalent of Koch or Murdoch. Do you have something from a reputable publication I have access to, i.e. Le Monde or SZ or FT? Antigravitas fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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I'm starting to come around to the idea that more than M1 Abrams and Leopards, Ukraine probably needs shitloads of modern AFVs like the Bradley with updated optics. I think Ukraine has plenty of ATGMs, T-72 variants and so on. So if the Bradley does the spotting and reconnaissance backed by infantry and their TOW missiles the T-72s should be able to do their job well enough in an offensive capacity where required. It's not perfect but it could allow for things like night assaults where tight communication between the tanks and western style AFVs allow them to be the eyes for the tanks who can coordinate their fire for effect. It's an extremely strange army where two vehicles designed to counter eachother are working side by side to fight others.
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Looks like the Russian embassy forgot that Russia is trying to claim Crimea as Russia and not Ukraine. https://twitter.com/BikiniBodhi/status/1615453685798117383 And an Imgur photo link in case the tweet gets deleted.
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Antigravitas posted:I'm saying it's a hoax. WSJ news side (not opinion side) is reputable. Edit: is this SZ you're talking about? https://twitter.com/SZ_Politik/status/1615792148368003072 (I don't know what the article actually says, paywall) OddObserver fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jan 18, 2023 |
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Antigravitas posted:I'm saying it's a hoax. For whatever reason, I was thinking that Axel Springer only bought the European branch, but apparently not. But that’s a side note, this is the Euro Politico story, touché (I’m still struggling to adjust to Politico being Springer’s). https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-germany-us-battle-tanks-ukraine-war/ Everyone else reporting this cites them. FT had a parallel story, but with no sources - just a think tanker speculating, i.e., not really a story. https://www.ft.com/content/9e0e5ed8-a924-469d-bea7-dc0de81f2c82
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Fire Storm posted:Looks like the Russian embassy forgot that Russia is trying to claim Crimea as Russia and not Ukraine. That’s a big fine since a few weeks ago.
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Kraftwerk posted:I'm starting to come around to the idea that more than M1 Abrams and Leopards, Ukraine probably needs shitloads of modern AFVs like the Bradley with updated optics. I think Perun said something to that effect. Ukraine needs a long-term plan to move tanks to a western platform, which means hundreds of them. But the more immediate need is good APC and IFV. They're using them a ton and are attriting them hat a much worse rate cinci zoo sniper posted:For whatever reason, I was thinking that Axel Springer only bought the European branch, but apparently not. But that’s a side note, this is the Euro Politico story, touché (I’m still struggling to adjust to Politico being Springer’s). https://www.politico.eu/article/britain-germany-us-battle-tanks-ukraine-war/ "Transatlantic Partners" (plural) is a standard phrase that refers to NATO. Springer is just pretending not to know that. It's a long-standing German position, that tank deliveries will be done in coordination with allies. Like the IFVs announced earlier. There's literally nothing new there.
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