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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Kerblam shows Space Amazon as a dystopian hellhole where workers in pointless makework jobs are constantly monitored, threatened for talking on the job, kept on constant timers to perform every task at perfect efficiency, paid too little to afford anything nice, and even the more seemingly-senior workers can barely afford to see their families twice a year. The company is its own legal jurisdiction that answers to no laws, the boss is keeping secret a string of murders, and the system straight up murders an innocent girl just to make someone else sad.

And the happy ending to all this is... "the systems aren't the problem," subjecting more workers to this, and mandatory unpaid leave? What the hell. The Doctor's "I love this corporate mascot!" line at the start felt very out of character, but with the way Space Amazon was portrayed afterward, I assumed they were trying to set up something more like Planet of the Ood where the Doctor realizes the thing they thought was okay was actually bad. But then the last ten minutes abruptly swerve into the most bizarre the-company-really-does-love-its-workers-who-should-be-grateful feelgood ending.

I stopped watching during the gap after series 9 and Husbands. Recently I decided to get back into the show, and I loved series 10 (monks and the "woman, make me a sandwich" hartnell aside). Then I watched series 11 and forced myself through series 12 and god they're awful. I'd heard they weren't good, but I was expecting something like the worse parts of the first ten revival series, not this dreck.

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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Open Source Idiom posted:

Eh, that arc does lead into that strange beat at the end of Asylum of the Daleks where he lets an armada of daleks get off scott free. I don't think it's particularly elegantly handled tbh.

It always bugged me how Eleven never seemed to do anything about the Daleks for his entire regeneration, despite being the one to unleash the new Dalek empire on the universe. His cheerful carefree attitude at the end of Victory of the Daleks, followed by never mentioning or feeling guilty about the Daleks again and not really doing anything about the Daleks even when he did encounter them, never sat right with me.

I know the meta-reason is that it was just meant to be a quick return from the RTD status quo of "the Daleks are wiped out after every encounter and will destroy the universe if they're ever allowed to survive" to the classic series status quo of "Yeah, there's Daleks out there doing Dalek things, maybe the Doctor will bump into them occasionally, don't worry about it."

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Fil5000 posted:

Daleks should constantly be falling apart due to infighting over degrees of ideological purity. We've had that happen, what, twice? The civil war in the late 80s that spanned a few serials and in the awful Daleks in Manhattan.

And before those, Evil of the Daleks.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Jerusalem posted:

Unfortunately Yaz/Ryan/Graham as a group suffered the same problems as Tegan/Nyssa/Adric or Tegan/Nyssa/Turlough did where there was always at least one of them getting left out while another (Tegan, Graham) got the bulk of the good stuff to work with.

I'm not sure that was the problem with Thirteen's group. For example, Demons of the Punjab is I think generally considered one of the stronger episodes of the era, and that's clearly meant to be a Yaz episode. And it's not like Ryan or Graham are getting any of the good stuff in it. But Yaz still doesn't really get anything to work with? She weirdly fades into the background of her own episode. I think that, even if the BBC had said "Sorry, Chibnall, you're only allowed one companion," we'd still be seeing similar issues with how they were written.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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JKR donates money to anti-trans political activity, which means every purchase of Harry Potter media is a direct donation to changing the laws of the land to hurt trans people. Dismissing it as twitter nonsense is disingenuous; a better analogy would be Chick-Fil-A and the liberal "allies" who chose to eat there anyhow and justify it with "listen, their chicken is just too good".

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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You have recently found your wife's doppelghost and want to go visit her for a few days. But you want your twelve-year-old blind daughter to be safe while you do so. Do you:

1) Bring your daughter with you

2) Invite someone to come stay with your daughter for a few days

3) Send your daughter to stay with someone for a few days

4) Tell her you'll be away for a few days and there's food in the fridge

5) Vanish without a word

6) Tell your daughter there's a monster in the woods surrounding your house, board up the doors and windows to make it seem like you're fortifying the house against the monster, set up speakers around the house programmed to play monster sounds at regular intervals so that your daughter will be too scared to leave the house in your absence, and then vanish without a word to make it seem like the fictional monster abducted you

Option 6 isn't the choice of a grieving man handling his grief badly, it's the choice nobody but an abusive psychopath would even dream of as an option.

Why is his reunion with his daughter at the end of the episode treated as a good thing? He doesn't even choose his daughter over his fake wife; the Soletract forcibly ejects him from the mirror-world at the Doctor's insistence. He doesn't even offer an apology. Hopefully, the "it" that takes you away will be Child Protective Services, or else the next time he needs to head down the street to buy groceries he'll probably pull a Misery to keep his daughter from wandering off while he's out.

There's a lot to like in this episode, and it's a breath of fresh air after the rest of the season. But the explanation for the fake monster damages it pretty significantly. Not just because it doesn't make much sense — that wouldn't be anything out of the ordinary, this is the show that gave us "the moon is gaining mass because it's an egg" — but because of the way it warps the characters, and with them the themes and resolution of the episode.

And it's weird because it's so unnecessary? Thanks to the anti-zone, there are already actual monsters around. Have the dad wander off without a word, have an anti-zone monster be what scared the daughter, and boom, your plot still works without making the dad a complete monster. The error is completely unforced.

It would also benefit from cutting down the whole anti-zone Ribbons stuff. It's very Terry Nation to fill time by adding in a Journey Through Perilous Caves, but this isn't a classic series four- or six-parter, it's a modern one-parter that already feels pressed for time and really doesn't need bad filler. More time in the mirror world exploring the interesting parts of the story would definitely have helped.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Fil5000 posted:

He can write good stories, he just needs someone or something hemming him in. I mean gently caress, he writes good first episodes of things, just do what hbomb said and let him write pilots for the rest of his existence and turn the shows over to other people.

He didn't write a good first episode for Inside Man.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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TinTower posted:

Are you saying that the "pay the rapist" twist wasn't high cinema.

It doesn't even make sense! The entire episode is spent being smug over how clever it is, and the theory ends up being not just an old "therapists? the rapists" joke but completely incoherent.

The wife has a therapist, who she sees at a day's notice every time she sleeps with her husband and at no other times (?), but she doesn't want her husband to see she's paying for a therapist, so she contacts his work secretary and tells her to pay out of her husband's office (?), but communicates this instruction only through texting "PAY THERAPIST" and setting her husband's office as the billing address (?), but the work secretary is very elderly at almost 50 so her vision is failing (?), so she increases the size of the text on her phone screen until there are only six characters per line (?), and the text then wraps in a way completely different from how text wrapping normally works (?), and the secretary blindly obeys because "I don't know, maybe she's just really submissive or something." (???)

And despite being Adam West Batman logic, that's his "cleverest" deduction in the whole series! His genius insight at the end is "I dunno, try looking wherever the missing person went last". Wow, we really needed a Sherlock to figure that one out.

The theme of the show is that anyone can become a murderer, which you know is the theme of the show because Moffat has Stanley Tucci look toward the camera twice per episode and say "The theme of the show is that anyone can become a murderer". But the show works better as an argument against its own thesis because it relies so heavily on every single character at every single step making decisions so stupid and incomprehensible that no human would ever think of making them. For all Moffat has Tennant talk about how he's protecting his family, the only person he's protecting is the actual pedophile, who he refuses to turn in because... being exposed as a pedophile would be bad for his mental health?

I went into it after watching series 10-11-12 of Doctor Who, so my feelings toward Moffat were actually pretty positive at the time, because of how good series 10 was and how bad Chibnall's run was. Inside Man was a good reminder of exactly why he'd worn out his welcome.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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TinTower posted:

Further to this: the whole plot begins because Tennant (the village vicar) confiscates his verger’s flash drive full of child porn and just randomly drops it into the bowl of random flash drives that every family has, so when his son’s maths tutor wants to give him some homework sheets, she picks it up and thinks the kid is a nonce.

So instead of trying to do even the “it’s a member of the congregation and it’s dropped me into a legal and spiritual wasp’s nest” bullshit excuse, he kidnaps the tutor, and – deciding to take the blame himself instead of turning the verger in – downloads more of the stuff. :psyduck:

Seriously, what the gently caress, Moffat?

He doesn't even confiscate it — the verger comes up to him and is like, "Vicar, please, I need you to hide my flash drive of porn in your office, my mum is looking for it and the only place she won't look is your office". And instead of going "what the gently caress" or "why don't you just toss it in a bush or the bell tower or something, she's not going to search every square inch of this planet that isn't my office," David Tennant goes, "Sure, I'll hide your flash drive of porn in my office for you, you scallywag."

It's not even a spiritual wasp's nest, since it's not like he found out the verger was a pedophile in confessional or something. He just refuses to turn the verger in because... the verger has depression??? The setup would genuinely make more sense if it were Fight Club scenario where the verger never existed and David Tennant's character was the real pedophile.

Warthur posted:

Wait, are you telling me that Moffat did a variant of the Arrested Development "analrapist" joke for a crucial plot point in a serious drama?

It's the "answer" to the case-of-the-episode for the first episode. It's not important to the main plot, and Stanley Tucci figures it out in like five minutes, but the reveal is slowly dragged out over the course of the episode across several scenes of Jolly Cannibal Watson saying, "But you genius, I'm not as clever as you, what's the answer?" and Stanley Tucci going "It's all very simple, you just need to think about it. I am very clever, and so is Steven Moffat, who wrote this extremely clever solution to this extremely clever puzzle."

The core of the series is also a classic Moffat mystery box with no answer, since they never reveal why Stanley Tucci killed his wife, presumably because the show whose central thesis is "anyone can be a murderer in the right circumstances" couldn't think of any convincing circumstances for him to be a murderer.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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TinTower posted:

The tutor lady didn’t know that, mind you, so DT’s character could’ve easily gone for the confessional privilege excuse, but nah, everyone but Stanley Tucci in the show is a loving idiot.

Tucci's character is an idiot too. And not just because his only real deduction is the therapist thing that makes no sense. His genius move at the end of the series is a convoluted scheme that wasn't in any way necessary.

The problem he's facing: He reckons that maybe someone should check the missing person's last known destination, because that might be a good way to find the missing person. But he can't check himself, because he's in prison.

His solution: He pretends he no longer wants to be executed and offers a deal to his father-in-law. He says that if the father-in-law can get him a reprieve from execution, he'll tell him where he hid his wife's severed head, and that finding his wife's severed head will also make it clear why he killed her. He goads the father-in-law into beating him until he gives up the location to end the violence. But aha, it was all a ruse, and the location he's "forced" to give up is actually the missing person's last known location, so the father-in-law sends people with shovels to the vicarage.

Why this is stupid: He has a phone in his cell and a sprawling network of agents and minions in the outside world who apparently have nothing better to do than to answer his calls and do his bidding, and multiple of them are already near the village in question. He could have just... told someone to go have a look. There was no problem here that needed a solution.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Faction Paradox created the Thirteenth Doctor by redirecting Twelve to Antarctica when he was about to regenerate. Originally, he was supposed to regenerate into Jo Martin.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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GigaPeon posted:

So I dropped off early in 13’s run. Worth catching up before the specials?

Maybe it’s a dumb question to ask “should I watch Doctor Who” in the Who thread, though.

I didn't watch series 13 but I can't recommend catching up on series 11 and 12.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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PriorMarcus posted:

And then it never happens again unless I'm forgetting a scene. :(

I think there's one similar scene in Demons of the Punjab of her tinkering the defensive perimeter teleporter thingies, but that's it.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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4 was still punting down the river with romana

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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The cracks show pretty early on, with episode 2 being some weird yellow peril stuff where the central mystery is how someone could have been murdered in a locked room with no possible entrances or exits except for the wide-open unlocked window. The nonsense with Irene Adler was, what, episode four?

It just wasn't as blatant early on as it was in the later seasons where you had things like the violet feminist KKK.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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Boxturret posted:

or use his giant brain to survive getting shot.

If you think about it, that's the main plot of series six.

PriorMarcus posted:

Also his sister isn't Enola Holmes, the character from the novels or the recent Netflix films, it's a totally original character called... Eurus Holmes.

They should do the opposite of the "dog was actually a childhood friend" twist by revealing that his sister, Equus Holmes, was actually his childhood pet horse.

Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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and that's after Logopolis destroyed 25% of the universe, which according to my calculations means Negative 5% of the universe remains and the specials will all take place in E-space

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Lottery of Babylon
Apr 25, 2012

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The_Doctor posted:

Huh, they’ve colourised The Daleks for the 60th anniversary.

Psssh, they already basically did that for the 2nd anniversary :smuggo:

From what I remember, the second Peter Cushing film is actually mostly decent, but the first one is really sitcom-y

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