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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

twitter.com/Volod_Ishchenko/status/1780169497116041318#m

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fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

Ted Wassanasong posted:

Maybe you can't put yourself in that headspace. But I can assure you, no one, and I mean no one, gambling away their piss poor soldier wages honestly believes they will be around to enjoy what little money they saved up at the end.

Ask the dead soldiers who didnt gamble, who didnt use drugs, who didnt drink or smoke, what it got them in the end.

We fight this war to the last Ukrainian soldier. None of them will survive this conflict. What could be a better use of their little resources, in the final moments of their lives, before they all die supporting our geopolitical ambitions.

There is a reason drugs and prostitution are what soldiers and sailors in conflicts choose to spend their money on, and its not personal moral failure. That happened when society sent them to die.

https://x.com/TheEconomist/status/1659911596640985088

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

setting this "retarded oscar wilde" photo aside for later

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

That's what makes it so hard to square for me that it was decided to dial up the brutality in the 1930s, during a time of peace and when the economic conditions were so much better in comparison. What made them go from letting mensheviks roam around freely in their prison block and otherwise operate freely on the outside, with the worst punishment being exile or internal displacement, to shooting trotskyists and bukharinites en mass? Things seemed to be going well, why not just expel them from the CPSU? I just don't get it

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It's still mind boggling to see that described as "Ukraine’s romantic capital "

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

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Ok, but does that mean there were a lot of foreign directed saboteurs and spies among the main mass of those purged? I thought that wasn't the case? If it wasn't, I still don't get why such extreme measures were necessary?

Like, all of these countries literally invaded and actively fought in the Russian Civil War, when purge/repression conditions were much more lenient, and it didn't seem to matter then. Why change tactics?

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

First, yes, we know Poland in particular was becoming very active in the 30's in trying to infiltrate people into the western USSR. Britain and France never stopped working with White exiles to topple the USSR. France used the Little Entente (so, Romania) as a way to destabilize the USSR, where again, we know they were active in espionage.

Second, during a war, you need to be lenient to entice people over to your side, or into quitting the conflict via amnesty, because the situation is extremely chaotic. You can't monitor things too closely, and things can't get much worse. During peacetime, obviously the reverse is true. You want to preserve stability and crack down on destabilizing forces. You have no reason to offer amnesty in the absence of another side to entice people away from, or that you risk people defecting to.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

supersnowman posted:

The rumors about neo-nazi not being good at holding ground might have been true.

https://t.me/ukraine_watch/20669

Apparently the 67th brigade themselves made a statement confirming they're being dismantled

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
When Deng was calling the shot, he changed the Renminbi bank note from this


to this


Deng may talked about 70/30 in party congress and party schools, but he ended up being more favorable to Mao than 70/30, for a guy who got demoted by Mao 4 times. Putting Mao on every bank note is Deng's way of say Mao is the founding father of the current government there is no debate about it even though Mao made mistakes.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

mawarannahr posted:

Everything ever has been leading up to this moment. Wow!

And look what you did with it!

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Leandros posted:

Sure but the old gambling wasn't A/B tested into oblivion to maximise profits from poor sods. There are no fair odds in apps.

The "people" using these soldiers as tool are the same ones who own those apps.

You gotta give your tools some money nowadays because outright and open slavery is frowned upon, but nobody cares if you immediately claw it all back.

BrotherJayne
Nov 28, 2019

Sapozhnik posted:

add some hydraulic pincers and eyestalk cameras to version 3 you absolute bitch rear end cowards

And paint the fucker red!

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

I was probed when Sodomy and the Pirate Tradition: English Sea Rovers in the Seventeenth-Century Caribbean came up, but you just jogged my memory that Ancient Rome and the Construction of Modern Homosexual Identities, Ancient Rome and Victorian Masculinity, and Oscar Wilde’s Aesthetic Education: The Oxford Classical Curriculum really tie everything together.



This is not the post I was expecting to read in the Ukraine war thread tbh.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Anyway, the missing part of the puzzle about the great purge is the Soviet foreign currency crisis which started in 1929 and lasted into 1934 as well as the Great Famine itself.

Collectivization was an emergency response to the drop in commodity prices (oil and wheat being the 2 core exports for the Soviet Union) forcing the state to collectivize to lower state prices for grain, otherwise the state couldn't gain foreign currency abroad if it was paying market rate prices at home.

The famine makes this an even larger crisis (obviously) and shows how incompetent large portions of the Soviet apparatus is as it isn't accurately reporting information and that there is a ton of pseudo-fiefdoms cropping up in the grain distribution system. Also, the heavy industrial commissariat as sleep at the wheel, and by 1934, it is clear the second-five year plan is being derailed. Eventually the Soviets pull back trade altogether, and through 1935 the finger pointing gets worse essentially ramps up into 1937 as commodity prices stay low, and re-armament saps a bunch of material.

The purges initially start small and targeted, and then progressively grow in size until you start get people turning each other in etc etc.

Basically, both the 1937-1938 purge and the cultural revolution happened after a famine and when both states were facing an acute trade crisis and the possibility of war. Basically, they were the result of a internal economic crisis and arguably a way for the state to arguably reinforce itself even if it was in a bloody manner.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 20:20 on Apr 16, 2024

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Pistol_Pete posted:

This is not the post I was expecting to read in the Ukraine war thread tbh.

I see you haven't posted here long.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
he's not kidding when he says barely repressed homosexuality is an important part of the empire

i think it's part of why fascists all crave death, because they're not allowed to gently caress each other

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022
All this stuff about barely repressed homosexuality being absolutely necessary for the creation and preservation of the empire puts some things from 1984 in perspective for me.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

Sure. So was the USSR under NEP and under Khruschev. It isn't clear that the USSR collapse and perestroika were a consequence of insufficient purges

Purges make sure you don't get overrun with moderate libs, but you still have to develop thinkers of your own to continually develop and carry out your ideology, and failure of one aspect will inevitably lead to the failure of the other.

Weak ideological theorists lead to the libs taking over, and the libs taking over leads to weak ideological theorists in a lovely spiral.

The Soviets flourished (minus the war) because Stalin was a committed communist who built a system of committed communists to carry out the demands of communism.

The Soviets floundered because Gorbachev was a moderate who allowed moderates to carry out the demands of liberalism

Its good to fire the people who don't support your underpinning theory of governance! They gently caress everything up otherwise!

DeimosRising
Oct 17, 2005

¡Hola SEA!


Nix Panicus posted:

Purges make sure you don't get overrun with moderate libs, but you still have to develop thinkers of your own to continually develop and carry out your ideology, and failure of one aspect will inevitably lead to the failure of the other.

Weak ideological theorists lead to the libs taking over, and the libs taking over leads to weak ideological theorists in a lovely spiral.

The Soviets flourished (minus the war) because Stalin was a committed communist who built a system of committed communists to carry out the demands of communism.

The Soviets floundered because Gorbachev was a moderate who allowed moderates to carry out the demands of liberalism

Its good to fire the people who don't support your underpinning theory of governance! They gently caress everything up otherwise!

does anyone here know much about the soviet education system?

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.

quote:

❗️Ukraine will have no chance of winning the war without the help of the United States, — Zelenskyi

📍Today, artillery at the front is 1 to 10, planes are 1 to 30. With such statistics, the Russian Federation will push us back every day.
📍Iran transfers 300-350 Shaheds to Russia every month.
📍We have a plan to destroy the enemy. The Allies have a list of what we need technically. All that remains is to give it.
📍the Russian Federation is hitting us with planes 300 km away. We don't have the weapons to shoot them down right now.
📍If the US Congress divides aid into Israeli and Ukrainian aid (as Johnson has already stated), then this is pure politics. This means that they don't care how many people die in Ukraine, they care what their ratings are.
📍Today Russia wants to destroy us. They do not need any peace talks.

https://twitter.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1780163480944877670

Dokapon Findom
Dec 5, 2022

They hated Futanari because His posts were shit.
Please don't probate me for 100,000 hours for repeating what the president of the Ukraine is saying :kiddo:

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022


got me 50 ounces out a bird in this bitch

DeimosRising posted:

does anyone here know much about the soviet education system?

in Soviet Russia homework studies u, they lived on opposite day principles. a profound people

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

That's what makes it so hard to square for me that it was decided to dial up the brutality in the 1930s, during a time of peace and when the economic conditions were so much better in comparison. What made them go from letting mensheviks roam around freely in their prison block and otherwise operate freely on the outside, with the worst punishment being exile or internal displacement, to shooting trotskyists and bukharinites en mass? Things seemed to be going well, why not just expel them from the CPSU? I just don't get it

Yes. The 1930s. Famously a time of peace and prosperity in Europe with no major political or economic crises. Just a placid decade where nothing much happened and everyone was extremely chill. Good growing conditions too.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Nix Panicus posted:

Yes. The 1930s. Famously a time of peace and prosperity in Europe with no major political or economic crises. Just a placid decade where nothing much happened and everyone was extremely chill. Good growing conditions too.

Also a very normal time for the Second Polish Republic. Poland did normal things, like have a military coup in 1928, and then show trials in 1930, 1935 and 1938. They were also very interested in the idea of Greater Poland, a normal passion project, and had their sights set on the Ukrainian SSR.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Make America Grecian Again.

I hear you like Eco so here's some Eco:

quote:

"Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt"

12. "Machismo", which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".

Everyone always talks about point 8 but the other ones are good, too.



BearsBearsBears posted:

All this stuff about barely repressed homosexuality being absolutely necessary for the creation and preservation of the empire puts some things from 1984 in perspective for me.

And now you also know why those running the empire hated hippies so much. Even though they all grew up to be nice little liberals.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

RE Poland:

Commenting on the recent Soviet moves [1934], the Italian ambassador, B. Attolico, in a conversation with Stomoniakov in mid-April, interpreted them as evidence of "the decisive struggle between the USSR and Poland for influence in the region." He continued: "All people understand that the USSR by means of her proposals wanted to undermine the Baltic's trust, first in Poland, and then in Germany, and to strengthen the Balts's confidence in the USSR as the only Great Power interested in their independence. In fact, the influence of this or that Great Power in those countries is based not on documents, but only on trust. Up to now the Balts have been putting their trust mainly in Poland; now they have more trust in the USSR. By systematically misinforming [the Baltic states] on the issues of prolongation of the pact, Poland wants to create there [in the Baltic region] the impression that the USSR, yielding to her pressure and striving to prolong the pact, agrees to denounce the document which she [the USSR] has just signed with Lithuania. It seems as if Poland wished to tell the other Baltic states that they should not rely on the USSR and that what is happening to Lithuania today, might happen to them tomorrow. Poland wants to undermine trust to the USSR in the Baltic region."

Stomoniakov replied "evasively, that, may be, he [Attolico] [was]. right"

Poland was actively scheming with Germany to acquire Baltic territory throughout the 30's was making overtures about a military alliance with Germany, asked Germany to support Polish claims to the western Ukrainian SSR etc etc

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


DeimosRising posted:

does anyone here know much about the soviet education system?

bit ot but it's a tidbit I really like: Nadezhda Krupskaya, the Soviet commissar of education (and Lenin's wife), was instrumental in developing an entire new pedagogy that dismissed the normative/prescriptive aspects and applied dialectical materialism into linguistics.

So, for example, instead of a curated list of tales for children made by bored wealthy people, Nadezhda was a pioneer in the approach of sending people from the councils to learn all about folklore, songs, tales, traditions and what not and from there, apply a descriptive approach in which the people would learn the letters from what they already know by generations of culture.

This method was a complete game-changer in education. Alphabetization in the USSR skyrocketed because among other things everybody knew the base material, there was no need for textbooks nor rote exercising. People learned phonemes from folk songs and could quickly associate with letters and syllables. This and many other pedagogical techniques allowed for a much more rapid learning rate for everybody, but especially adults.

Bring that together with a full-fledged total effort campaign by the Bolshevik government of eradication of illiteracy - which had unanimous agreement between the assembly - and carried out with tremendous revolutionary zeal. Like, for real, this is the scene: in 1913, a young peasant woman far away enough from a major urban center had almost no chance of anything resembling an education; five years later, she is sitting in a class with many other women too and she knows her letters, she is learning about history and literature and philosophy and suddenly dawns on her that she might be the most educated person on her family line, because all they knew in the familial memory was serfdom and peasantry. Stories like this caused an immense revolutionary fervor because this was the change, the New, the world in transformation in the front of their eyes.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Literally the creation of a New Man/Woman.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

A thing to consider about the differing experiences of the Soviets and the Chinese in the latter half of the century is that the Soviets had to deal with the cultural 'gravity' of Europe and the lure of joining the international order as an equal while the Chinese had the Century of Humiliation as an ever present reminder that the western liberal order was a destructive monster who longed only to exploit them

Also China understood the value of mythology to national identity and enshrined Mao even as they revised his ideology, while the Soviets tried to erase Stalin and undermined their ideological unity

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Dokapon Findom posted:

[url]https://[/url] twitter.com/jurgen_nauditt/status/1780163480944877670

lol @ the us congress point, didn't ukraine war poll pretty well? whereas the genocide doesn't?

zelensky's game was simply too weak at slaughtering babies for biden, simple as

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Orange Devil posted:

thus hold "both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality".

:thunk:

Well obviously they were wrong about a lot of things too.

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FPCNxKNQ44&t=38s

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

quote:

If the US Congress divides aid into Israeli and Ukrainian aid (as Johnson has already stated), then this is pure politics. This means that they don't care how many people die in Ukraine, they care what their ratings are.

They're finally getting it

samogonka
Nov 5, 2016

Western curators encouraged him to burn every bridge there is, now they are leaving him dry. What a dumbass.

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



mila kunis posted:

They're finally getting it

The point about russia not being interested in peace today is very succinct. Is he suggesting that they were interested in peace before? (Of course he is, we know bojo torpedo it. )

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

dead gay comedy forums posted:

bit ot but it's a tidbit I really like: Nadezhda Krupskaya, the Soviet commissar of education (and Lenin's wife), was instrumental in developing an entire new pedagogy that dismissed the normative/prescriptive aspects and applied dialectical materialism into linguistics.

So, for example, instead of a curated list of tales for children made by bored wealthy people, Nadezhda was a pioneer in the approach of sending people from the councils to learn all about folklore, songs, tales, traditions and what not and from there, apply a descriptive approach in which the people would learn the letters from what they already know by generations of culture.

This method was a complete game-changer in education. Alphabetization in the USSR skyrocketed because among other things everybody knew the base material, there was no need for textbooks nor rote exercising. People learned phonemes from folk songs and could quickly associate with letters and syllables. This and many other pedagogical techniques allowed for a much more rapid learning rate for everybody, but especially adults.

Bring that together with a full-fledged total effort campaign by the Bolshevik government of eradication of illiteracy - which had unanimous agreement between the assembly - and carried out with tremendous revolutionary zeal. Like, for real, this is the scene: in 1913, a young peasant woman far away enough from a major urban center had almost no chance of anything resembling an education; five years later, she is sitting in a class with many other women too and she knows her letters, she is learning about history and literature and philosophy and suddenly dawns on her that she might be the most educated person on her family line, because all they knew in the familial memory was serfdom and peasantry. Stories like this caused an immense revolutionary fervor because this was the change, the New, the world in transformation in the front of their eyes.

they were just cynically teaching people to read to further spread their propaganda ya know :downs:

1stGear
Jan 16, 2010

Here's to the new us.
Someone post The Tweet.

Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

bring back object 279 already

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

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I mean, not really talking about anything those guys really did, but before the 30ies the USSR had trade partners and useful treaties with at least Weimar. By the mid 30ies you had the old central powers ruled by parties with the explicit program of eradicating bolshevism. The whole world was turning much more hostile. That certainly also fed into the internal paranoia.

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Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

lol that they waited till now to say this because of their dumb nazi pride

where's your ghost of Ukraine now, dipshits

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