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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Frosted Flake posted:

You know, it hadn’t occurred to me but the conversation in another thread sparked my interest about what I’m going to term Triple Genocide Theory, that German policies in East Africa prefigured the Holocaust. This was in vogue in the 90’s when books came out about Hermann Goering’s father, for example.

The scholarship now, which I guess is the second generation of post-colonial studies, paints a very different picture. Crucially, and this is what I want to draw attention to, it shows that the Germans were not all-powerful colonial overlords and instead came into a situation without much control, much administrative capability, unfolding chaos, and a food supply problem there was no easy solution to. What they did in reaction to that was reprehensible and often criminal, but they didn’t create the situation because they weren’t omniscient and omnipotent.

To be clear - there were widespread famines in German East Africa, German policies often made it worse, and some policies targeted specific groups, or at least, did not extend relief to them.

The difference between the Soviet Archives being opened and not is knowing how much (or indeed how little) information the Soviets had, and how much ability to act. It’s led to reappraisals across whole fields and disciplines, for example the realization the Stalinism presented a sort of executive control that did not actually exist in the bureaucratized USSR, but the popular memory endures. People believed that the Soviets were a towering Totalitarian™️ state, but of course we know now that they were wary of mass politics, the committees and Party handled nearly all of the functions of state, the bureaucracy often did not have the kind of perfect information and total control that it appeared to and so on.

None of this would be apparent to people suffering under it, or writers afterwards. In the case of German East Africa, Prussian Efficiency and Bureaucracy are such strong stereotypes in the English speaking world that there’s been resistance to the idea that they could have possibly been in a situation where they didn’t have much authority, regions and people within their formal borders were outside their control, they were unable to remedy the food supply situation, etc. We think of an all-powerful German state, an all-powerful Soviet state, and so assume all events that transpire within it are under their total control, that they have total information, can act totally, and so in both cases the often very dry and boring records that bear out administrators trying to cope with a situation - and again, often acting reprehensibly - that’s ignored because it doesn’t fit with the English speaking world’s idea of their state power.

People think about present day China in the same way. Possibly even Mao-era China. Which is like, lol it's a sixth of humanity, 1.4 billion people. If Xi Jinping wants to do some big thing that poo poo has to filter down through probably tens if not hundreds of thousands of civil servants and party member cadres and then be executed by possibly millions of people, each of which might misinterpret, be lazy or corrupt or just plain gently caress up. Yet western media whenever something bad happens in China is like "why would Xi do this?".


To relate this back to the war. How much control does Putin have anyway? It's not like we're going to know until well after the fact.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Tankbuster posted:

lol all this catholic slander while FF is exiled.

gently caress Catholicism tbh

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Azathoth posted:

remembering that remembering things is illegal is illegal

Remember, remember, the fifth of November.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Yeah that's not reassuring. The Nazi's originally wanted to deport the Jews to Madagascar, and when that proved logistically impossible well...

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Majorian posted:

I'm guessing mass extermination of ethnic Russians in Ukraine is probably not logistically feasible either, so...


I both hope that this is true, and also not the only reason this will not take place.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Frosted Flake posted:

I was thinking about a good way to explain what happened in terms readily comparable to the English-speaking world and I think I have one.

It's like understanding "Cuban" by looking at Cubans in Florida OP.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Armadillo Tank posted:

every time i hear about that stupid bullshit i remember waking up at 5:00 AM hearing about georgian rocket arty firing and other attacks on headline news

9:00 AM every loving news site was saying the russians started it

Just a little gaslighting, as foreign policy.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Who are the Chinese communists in this brilliant metaphor?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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gradenko_2000 posted:

"Tchaikovsky's music referenced cannons, and cannons were being shot at Ukraine" - what a loving child!

Err Tchaikovsky doesn't reference cannons, the 1812 overture's finale is meant to be played using cannonfire as one of the instruments. Because Russians know how to celebrate a military victory over foreign invaders, in this case Napoleon and his Grande Armee.

If Ukraine drives out the Russian invaders, they better bring their loving a-game for the celebration afterwards or they will suffer a moral loss in the third half imo.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Southpaugh posted:

Al-Saqr thought is eternal.

Al-Saqr thought would be nice.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Frosted Flake posted:

Why are you surprised at all?

Canada delenda est tbh.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Frosted Flake posted:

With the amount of weapons NATO gave out and to whom, they should be thanking their lucky stars the war spilled outside Ukraine’s border with this and not a downed airliner outside Hamburg or a TOW fired at a Synagogue in Brussels.

Give it time.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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speng31b posted:

Keep in mind Zelenskyy's stated negotiating position up until a few weeks ago, as repeatedly reported on, was he wouldn't even negotiate with Russia unless Putin was no longer in charge (subtext coup or assassination). Ukraine doesn't have a negotiating position, stuff like "we're taking back Crimea" is what they really want, and the level of western support they're getting just pushes them into it more.

This is their once in history chance to push for as much as they can get, they have nearly unlimited backing, and their population is fully committed. It's pretty much up to western backers to pull support or Russia to change its strategy because Ukraine's not bluffing and they're pushing for whatever they can get.

I think this analysis is correct, and furthermore see no signs that western backers will pull support. So it's going to be up to Russia to either give up everything, unlikely, or change strategy to force Ukraine to change their aims. This is likely to bear a disastrous cost in lives, both Russian and Ukrainian, Ukrainian infrastructure, and could well destabilize Russian civil society. Difficult to predict what the effects on Russian civil society and politics would be. Also difficult to predict what the western backers' response to the fates of war changing would be.

Early in the war, in the interest of preserving lives and preventing misery, I thought (and still stand by) that the best course of action was for the Ukrainian government to pursue a negotiated surrender getting something as close to a ratified Minsk II as they could. I think we have now reached the point where, by the same motivations and logic, the best course of action is for the Russian government to take the loss, end the SMO and retreat. The one difference I will note is that Ukraine's stated aims seem more maximalist and therefore less acceptable to the Russian government than even Putin's initial stated aims.

Long story short, by far the most likely future involves more death, destruction and misery, with a number of chances of things spinning horrendously out of control.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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CODChimera posted:

which lotr film are we up to? because that's what will happen next

Bad news, we're into the Hobbit.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Incredible line-up.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Ardennes posted:

The real question is if the Russians are going to really "go for it" and actually collapse the grid entirely or let off hoping they will be given better terms.

It seems like their best path to achieving their goals, except for their apparent goal of limiting civilian suffering. Which is an increasingly weird and oxymoronic goal every day the war drags on.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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euphronius posted:

I can conceive of a just war but Russia ans Ukraine are not fighting it

just as in non criminal

I can also conceive of dragons and unicorns, doesn't mean that poo poo exists.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Al-Saqr posted:

even the countries that were regular victims of famines where tens of millions died made feeding guests absolutely central to their culture so it really does speak to the Swedes moral depravity that they’ve been so well off for so long but couldn’t bother to hand their guest a sandwich

You say this but you should count yourself lucky you've never been invited to have Swedish food.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Leftist politicians should have been shouting this for decades already. Oh well, fash get to be the primary anti-neoliberals now. Can't imagine this will be a problem.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Russia should blow up Reddit's servers. This will force Ukraine to the negotiating table in hours. It's One Weird Trick that Just Might Work.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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V. Illych L. posted:

i'm increasingly coming around to the view of fascism as the violent insistence of the capitalist system in the face of that system's failure. even when there's no credible alternative, one has to be invented because the failures are obvious

Hard to see it as anything else now tbh.

Used to think it was reactionary to socialism/communism or even powerful trade unions. But no, it's reactionary to capitalist internal contradictions increasing and remaining unresolved.


On the bright side, that means humanity might be rid of it once capitalism is stamped out. On the less bright side, it means we will never be rid of it unless capitalism is stamped out.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Raskolnikov38 posted:

this sounds like buying russian gas with extra steps

Look up where the EU buys its LNG from.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Going to go out on a limb and predict Lukashenko will not be facing an international tribunal.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Frosted Flake posted:

It's been a strange experience because I'm not like a James Burton or Jackie Fisher reformer or whiz kid or anything like that, so finding even basic military knowledge at odds with a news cycle is a novel experience for me. I suppose I never thought of myself as being in a bubble or having specialized knowledge but the news cycle around Excalibur and the M777, I've never had regular people like my wife make claims about the business of gunnery, then get testy at my reaction. I don't know how to explain it, other than my experience and expertise, such as it is, went from being considered uncontroversial albeit dull to wrong, bordering on Russian Disinformation for as long as it took for the news to move onto the next thing.

etcetc

My dude, one of my clearest memories is being 15 years old, sat in my comfy chair in my room watching Colin Powell present to the UN the US case against Iraq and their weapons of mass destruction. A bunch of vague intercepted communications. Some anonymous intelligence sources. Satellite pictures of bunkers with trucks in front of them one day and no trucks some other day. Weird mockups of mobile bioweapons labs in trucks, and most preposterously in trains, so they could move around and be impossible for weapons inspectors to find. I remember getting up and grabbing my high school atlas and doing exactly what my high school geopgraphy class had taught me: look it up. So I flipped to the page which had the map of Iraq including its rail grid. Iraq had and has basically three loving rail lines. http://www.andrewgrantham.co.uk/images/iraq/iq-map-pol96.jpg

All of this poo poo set off my bullshit alarm something fierce, and the mobile rail biolabs one was even one I could prove, in my room, using random loving high school supplies.


The point is, liberal governments tell not just lies, but obvious lies, all the drat time. And liberal media will report those lies with all reverence and seriousness. And the liberal hoi polloi will lap that poo poo up. And if you try to refute the obvious lies you need a whole bunch of paragraphs of dry facts and background to make your case. If there's one thing spending way too much time argueing on the internet for the last 2 decades has taught me, it's that if you write a bunch of paragraphs (like I'm doing now lol), you've already lost. Because liberals don't give a solitary gently caress about facts. We are the atypical ones for caring about facts.


The thing that's been tripping me up ever since is fully dealing with the fact that friends, family, neighbours, colleagues, just all the regular people I meet in my day to day life seeming to be decent and generally intelligent enough people *are* those liberal hoi polloi.

For an example, I very much enjoy Dutch cabaret, which is very similar but not exactly the same as Anglo stand up comedy. I've sat in my home towns packed theater listening to a comedian go into great detail on how exactly our government sucks, fucks us over and lies about it to standing ovations and cheers of thousands of adults more times than I can remember. Then when the next elections roll around, I am one of a literal handful who votes for meaningful change. So many discussions with people grumbling about politics and politicians, yet when it comes down to it, none of them mean a word of it. It still breaks my brain sometimes.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Rutibex posted:

the last Dutch general election had a 78% turnout. the people in the audience cheering about politics being a corrupt joke are the 22% of people who also don't vote because they know it's a waste of their time

I wish this were true.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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stephenthinkpad posted:

The US don't give a poo poo about end user phone sales, they really want to shut down the Huawei global telecom equiotment sales. What happened is that Huawei spinned off half of their smartphone division, but slightly gained telecom market share since the sanctions.

Also this is the US fighting back against China producing everything and thereby enabling the CPC to capture and control a larger percentage of the surplus. Same with the trade war and tariffs.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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I can't tell if Stephen King believes a woman would be more or less capable at running the war than Putin.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Pope trying to mend that schism. It's the non-Christians who are worse.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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euphronius posted:

I know enough about artillery to know they do not in fact work just fine

They work, just. Fine?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > C-SPAM > Ukraine/Russia War: a puncture wound is not the same as a vagina

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Calibanibal posted:

they should paint the bottom of fighter jets to look like the sky and the top of them to look like the ground

What if they fly upside down, genius?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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euphronius posted:

Germany is an expert on genocide to be fair.

German civilians now going "I know a genocide when I see one".

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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V. Illych L. posted:

it always shocks me to consider that healthcare is a huge part of the US military budget

like, just do a national healthcare system, jesus christ

That would drop recruitment numbers. Gotta feed that war machine.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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What is this Raven Shield erasure?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Frosted Flake posted:

I’m curious what the feeling is here because people on the left have observed this cultural shift, with the officer corps becoming more like a corporate PMC and enlisted Operator Culture becoming more about individual advancement and a sort of professional athlete ethos. I get why the initial reaction from left leaning people is “who cares?” and “marching is dumb”, but my point is that if liberalisms alienating impulses and disconnection from social meaning have penetrated to something so essential as the functioning of the state - in preference to the basic social contract of improving material conditions: pay, benefits, housing, education, pensions, an end to workplace abuse - this line of thinking permeates all levels of decision making.

If the liberal state wants to gut its own defensive mechanisms that's likely a good thing?



On the other hand, making a job which involves a relatively very high risk, sometimes even necessity, of dying into "just another job" doesn't bode well for how liberalism wants to deal with workplace safety in other jobs.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Frosted Flake posted:

Other than people who feel a sense of duty, and are willing to sacrifice civilian employment, who are they hoping to attract to these high skilled and sought after positions? They’re so clearly sabotaging themselves I don’t understand it other than idk they want to means test the positions? But that doesn’t really make sense either.

Business logic is to never train your personnel if you can get someone else foot the bill for the training instead, including said personnel.

The idea is "why spend money training people who will then walk out and benefit someone else off of my dime?". The counter to it is "what if you don't train your people and they stay in your organization for decades after?".

The former only makes sense if you know people are going to bail on your organization first chance they'll get because you are planning on treating them like poo poo anyways. If you guaranteed good primary and perhaps even more importantly secondary labour conditions such that your personnel isn't likely to leave in the first place, properly training them to maximize their potential is a no-brainer. But you know, all that costs in very direct, measurable and short-term ways, whereas the benefits are more nebulous and long-term, and thus completely incompatible with neoliberalism. Gotta maximize for this quarterly report, you know? Plus it's not like current management is going to still be in charge in that long-term when the benefits of the investment start kicking in.

They want to run the military as a business, but they don't even want to run it as a family-owned business. They'd take the military public and sell shares if they could.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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V. Illych L. posted:

yes. you don't get to be PM at thirty-something without being dumb. she's also basically an ideological vacuum who appears to see the world for the first time every time she lays eyes on it.

Ah, a perfect liberal.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Hey FF do you have any statistics on number of guns destroyed and number of casualties caused by counterbattery fire in WW1?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Ardennes posted:

It is time for the Morgenthau plan to shine.

Yeah, I don’t know how this is going to pencil out considering how much domestic inflation there has been and that the Germans have been still sending some arms and equipment. It seems like they need at least a 15-20% bump to their budget.

If the US destroys the EU's economies sufficiently to drop GDP then all countries can reach the 2% NATO spending target without increasing spending.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

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Frosted Flake posted:

You could find case studies, because artillery crews and guns lost are tracked, and there are studies of certain battles, but I haven’t seen anyone make a general study. Sounds like a good idea to pitch Brill for a monograph or chapter, they did a broad study of artillery generally in King of Battle: Artillery in World War I

I am disappointed :(

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