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How much longer is Twitter going to last?
A few weeks
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dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Morroque posted:

While that might be comparatively true, it begs the question of who owns the debt, currently.

So looks like just a collection of banks. Seems Morgan Stanley, Bank of America and Barclays are the main ones. A Saudi prince, Qatar, and a bitcoin thing also own a bunch of twitter, but not sure how that works if Twitter defaults on the loan.

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dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

haveblue posted:

“Valuation” is always a virtual number, there’s no master ledger somewhere full of thoroughly thought-out company appraisals. It’s just the current stock price times the total number of shares, the total amount of value controlled by the company’s shareholders at a given moment

Like this is true, but there's still a few pretty broad general guidelines for how much a companies "worth" based on a few different things. Like it's hard to say how much Twitter is "worth" but pretty much ever still agrees Musk paid far, far to much for it.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Ghost Leviathan posted:

There's a level of self-destructive energy in the TERF sphere that probably shouldn't be surprising but is still pretty impressive at times.

To me lot of the time the self-destruction seems to have a large martyrdom edge to it. Like they want to be seen as a rebellious protestor going against world, and the world punishing them for it, but they're all comfortably rich so they don't really want to come out railing against modern capitalism or the police as that goes against their actual beliefs. So they end up on Trans issues. That's at least as far as I can figure it, and why they suddenly get so vocal about it.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Harold Fjord posted:

Letting users hide the blue check and then giving a way to tell anyway. Brilliant.

Should of let people subscribe more than once, to get more ticks, so everyone can tell exactly how lame someone is.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Eric Cantonese posted:

What exactly does the blue checkmark protect against? Is this more about the risk of people who don't already know your Twitter handle being tricked by someone else imitating you?

Yeah, since paid for checkmarks it's pretty much exactly this. Thing is if all the respected companies/orgs. and individuals leave than that stops mattering. No ones going to trust an "offical" Nike or New York Times Myspace page or whatever.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Yep, good way to get people in with an easy setup, and familiar interface, -and I assume they'll do some version of verifying celebrities/orgs/popular accounts on the main instance- and it also allow people who want something a bit different to do that as well. Will make it easier for people to leave if they can just set up a different instance, and also how do you monetize it, but it all makes a lot of sense, and so far it seems they've been doing everything right to siphon people from twitter.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Young Freud posted:

Maybe it's marketing to make them different than Elon's Twitter, but the CEO of bluesky publicly banned a transphobe who was harassing trans people on the site...

I mean if they keep on doing it don't particularly care if they're only doing it for marketing or not.

Be funny if Elon being such an open poo poo head and twitter suffering for it, cause other social media places to look at the current twitter and try to be better just so they don't become that.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Dr Christmas posted:

Is there a level beyond “Hide post/Show me less of this?” A “gently caress you for showing people this” button?

I too would really love to know if this button exists. Would be really great for youtube as well. Yes I watch some poltics stuff, no I really don't want to watch 2hrs of far right fuckwits being fuckwits. Can you please stop suggesting it already.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I'd say right now there would be a bunch of people screaming at musk about what a terrible idea that is, but I'm assuming he has long since fired anyone who would do something like that.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

IUG posted:

Making every company login every 30 days means they can have some kind of metric they can give to advertisers. “We have over 300 million users a month!” or something. All under the threat of having someone control your account and spreading Qanon nonsense.

Pretty sure they're going to lose far more users then they are going to gain active users. If they fully go through with it going to be plenty of people losing their accounts and not bothering to start all over again.

I really doubt they've thought it through to anything like that. Nothing that twitters done over the last few months has felt more thought out than a couple of late night brain farts.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I'm not from the US and literally the only thing I know about Spirit airlines is apparently it's the worst. I've don't think I've ever seen it mentioned other than when people are complaining about how bad it is.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Like, all the viral airplane passenger freakout videos, I swear it's 90% United or Delta airlines

Which airline do you get if you want your plane to be taken over by criminals and than saved in a action packed ninety minute thrill ride by an off duty cop/ex Green Beret/US president?

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I disagree, all internet services should start from everything being reply all, all the time at there heart, just you know, so everyone feels included and no one is left out!

In fact they should just get rid of unique email addresses entirely. Everyone is just email@email.com with a shared in and out box.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I'm there are a bunch who just hate change or doing anything really, so are doing minimal as possible and waiting for hell ride to end till they're forced to do something else.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

OgNar posted:

loving Dave man.

Ain't the first time he tried to ruin humanity and it won't be the last.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Szmitten posted:

Competitors are good because then they actually have to compete and keep each other in check by doing less increasingly stupid poo poo.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Apparently there's a way in the options to turn off suggested posts so it just shows you posts from who you follow.

Not sure how well it works. At the moment it apparently doesn't really run in a browser and gently caress downloading an app for it.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
Yeah I don't want anything from facebook installed on my computer.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

whydirt posted:

From my personal experience, Facebook is surviving by being the central place for community event postings if you're an adult normie and not terminally online (that's pretty much the only reason I haven't deactivated my account). No one I know is particularly happy to use Facebook, but the network advantage it has by being the most common denominator platform is keeping other options from growing.

Facebook Marketplace also seems to still be popular.

Yeah I basically just use it to organize stuff if it involves a lot of people as the events thing is actually good for that and as you say it's a pretty common thing for everyone to have. Getting to the events page is actually hard these days though. It's actually not even on the first column of things you go to. You need to click on more to get it show up.
I mean look at this:

What is half that crap.
underneath events it continues:

Seriously what the hell is Ray band stories? did I click on a button "install random poo poo to facebook" or something? What is even happening with the bloated mess that is facebook these days.

Social media sites just really love to bloat out until they collapse in on themselves I guess.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

StumblyWumbly posted:

Google becoming Alphabet made more sense, because they have Youtube which should be on equal footing to Google, but it probably wasn't worth whatever they paid.

I assume the main reason they did the Alphabet thing is that it made it easier to doge taxes if they had a third corporate entity above the other ones or something.

Unlike Meta, Alphabet doesn't really seem to get mentioned that much outside contracts/more corporate literature stuff.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Absurd Alhazred posted:

So there's already an X as an existing Alphabet subsidiary... isn't that going to cause problems with turning Twitter into X?

Possible? the Google X subsidiary used to be Moonshot X, and is not just X

https://x.company/

As it's generic research and the X musk wants to make twitter into is generic social media, a judge could decide there's not really a chance for brand confusion, or goggle may just ignore it I guess?

Musk's clearly ignoring all advice he's getting so who knows if he's actually aware of the Google X thing.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Queering Wheel posted:

VR use beyond gaming (and even that has considerable limitations) is never going to take off until someone makes a headset with good graphics that is also as lightweight and convenient as a pair of glasses. That's really it, technology limitations. Nobody wants to put on a bulky, expensive headset with a cord in order to watch movies, do work, or go shopping. And even if you could make such a headset, many people are not going to bother when you can do all of those things with a normal computer/phone.

Even with better tech is it ever going to take off outside of maybe gaming? Like I can see maybe if the glasses were real light and cheap people getting a pair for occasional checking out a video of ancient ruins, or underwater or what ever for a couple of minutes, and of course porn, but other than that?

I guess maybe watching a movie? But feel like most of the time people would prefer AR unless the qualities significantly worse.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Shooting Blanks posted:

I can see a handful of uses, but they're fairly niche and mostly around architecture and engineering. Designing/buying a new home? Want to walk around and see it for yourself?

I don't see a mainstream future but there are instances where it would be nice to visualize a physical space.

I mean most of the time AR seems like it would be better than VR for architecture and engineering I would of thought, particularly for any on site stuff, but I mean I guess I can see it be handy for some off site visualization stuff.

That Italian Guy posted:

EDIT: I guess the idea is that the X logo is a stylized bird? :v:

lol they actually went through with it. And yeah pretty sure the X is meant to just be an X. The thicker line isn't even angled the same way the twitter bird was and oh does it look half assed and cheap.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

FlamingLiberal posted:

You know Musk is a serious businessman when he can’t even get Twitter to run properly and he’s already talking about putting financial services on the app

Instead of, you know, getting actual advertisers back so he can keep the lights on?

No you don't understand, as soon as twitter becomes the "everything app" the fact it has no advertisers and doesn't work won't so no one uses it won't matter.

Details like those are for people who can't think big!

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Also funny that apparently the 'everything app' already exists in China as WeChat, and apparently was more accidental as it expanded into a bunch of different services and actually is reliable enough to dominate at them.

The list of features WeChat has is sort of insane:

https://qpsoftware.net/blog/your-guide-to-wechat-features

Even has CRM and other corporate type services. No idea if it actually works any better than the bloated mess that facebook is though.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Angepain posted:

also noting the class divide based on whose headsets are expensive enough to render the complex stuff.
Oh just another thing Snowcrash got right I guess. lol.

At this point if reliable news articles started coming out that people were going into comas after their brains were getting infected by a Sumerian meta virus, at this point I think I'd just be, okay yeah that sounds about right.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Family Values posted:

The new logo looks so much like the X Window logo that if I saw it out of context I wouldn't be sure which one I was seeing. And I assume X.org does have that trademarked?

Yep looks like The Open Group who have stewardship of Windows X have it trademarked

https://www.opengroup.org/trademarks

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
They need a captcha thing but for detecting brands.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

notenome posted:

Second was threads basically completely obliterating the line between ad and content. I'd have to actually spend time on that app, which I'm not gonna do, to see all the little things they did but from like the first four days it was clear that Zuck set out to make the most ad-friendly social media site ever. It looks like it's going to be an utter disaster but I feel Threads is like a portal to what social media will be five-ish years from now.

How's it doing that? I haven't really been following what's been happening with threads and assumed it was pretty much just Twitter with just enough changes to not be sued.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Shrecknet posted:

Since it's pulling from all of Instagram's users, it already knows who are "brand" accounts, and heavily promotes them. And since there's no way to curate your timeline or even see "just people I follow," the default/forced experience is "you must scroll by @Wendys to have a chance to see your buddy's surfing photos."

Hmm seems they solved that problem most social media place have of all that filler content stuff get in the way of ads.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Adenoid Dan posted:

Those memes and accounts have had a large presence there for years and there were always people complaining about it. But it did get noticeably worse after he came in. Like unbanning the relatively few that had been banned, and banning anti Nazi accounts.

The fact that musk openly chats to some pretty well known bad ones also is also him throwing up a big sign that this his is the social media for that sort of crap.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Morrow posted:

https://fortune.com/2023/10/06/elon-musk-twitter-x-financing-wall-street-banks/amp/

An interesting tidbit that apparently the banks behind Musk taking over Twitter have a particular agreement that stops them from screwing each other over by trying to cut their losses.

So do the three of the seven banks that have the agreement just own the vast majority of the stock, as it seems there just unnecessarily putting themselves at the mercy of the other four who would of probably and now definitely are aware of that.

Like this just seems like piling bad decision on bad decision.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Arsenic Lupin posted:

I've found that multiple online shopping sites' carts fail on Firefox and succeed on Chrome. :( I use Firefox, but keep Chrome around for these occasions.

Yeah, even though browsers tend to just work with everything better these days, I still find it good to always have at least two browsers on a computer. I find edge is just fine for a back up browser. It's already on windows machines and never had any problems with it.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

sinky posted:

They'll eventually put the ads in the video stream, which will be unblockable.

So I'm assuming the reason they don't do that already is just because it's hard to do when your trying to put in tailored ad's to everyone right?

Otherwise you could just chuck it in while encoding. Although it does seem like, as you are streaming the video from them, if they just slipped in video to the stream, making it look to everything external identical to what your watching, than there's not really much an ad blocker could do.

Like why ad blockers seem to work so well on youtube is because however they do it, they make the ads very apparently ad's so the ad blockers can easily identify them.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I'd like to think another video streaming service, but just looking at twitter and how long people are still desperately clinging to that despite everything, and yeah that's not gonna happen.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I wish there was a more pro-active ad blocker, one that just went and burnt down all the advertising officers and salted the earth so none more will ever grow.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Nitrousoxide posted:

People aging into being allowed on the internet by their parents presumably.

Do any young people use twitter anymore? Pretty sure it graduate to old people social media a long time ago.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

haveblue posted:

I'm not sure if titty shrimp jesus would count as "a realistic person" though

Are you really denying the existence of our lord and savoir, Titty Shrimp Jesus, ya drat heretic!

That's burning at the stake talk!!!

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

Boris Galerkin posted:

Glad that's not going to be an issue going forward since everything will just be fake.

Look the real world had a good run, it should just play nice and let fake world have it's turn.

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dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
"remains secure and free of bots".


lol.

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