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The old thread can be found here. Welcome to the sumo thread! Sumo wrestling is a fantastic spectator sport, quick to pick up and full of physical spectacle. It's also an ancient sport rich in ceremony and steeped in Japanese culture.* Besides all that there's plenty of melodrama, gossip, and inside baseball. We've got a large and active group of sumo fanatics in this thread, so hop in and join us! This post will cover sumo basics, while current tournament information will be in the next post. *It's complicated, see below for historical nerd poo poo What is sumo Sumo is a high-impact grappling sport with lots of colorful characters and a very active international fan base. It's very similar to a number of folk wrestling styles, especially East Asian and Turkic styles that involve staying upright and throwing your opponent. In this thread we mostly talk about professional sumo, i.e. Grand Sumo, i.e. ozumo. There are also amateur leagues around the world, and if you know about such things please share! Grand sumo tournaments are held 6 times a year, about midway through each odd-numbered month. They last 15 days, and each wrestler fights once per day. Bouts take place in a special clay ring called the dohyo. Wrestlers wear a special belt/loincloth called a mawashi. The wrestler with the most wins after 15 days wins the tournament, possibly subject to a playoff. The results of each tournament determine each wrestler's rank in the next tournament. Ranking in sumo is everything. Note: wrestlers are called, in order of my personal preference, rikishi ("powerful gentlemen"), wrestlers, or sumotori ("sumo-doers"). The top two ranks are called sekitori. Under no circumstances should they ever be refered to as "sumos".  Rules of sumo There are only really 2 rules in sumo. Don't step out of the ring, and don't touch the ground with anything but the bottoms of your feet. There are a few disqualifying moves, such as kicking above the belt, hitting with a closed fist, grabbing the hair or groin, choking, or poking the eyes. Open-handed slaps, trips, and forearm shivers are legal, and you can grip the mawashi or any bodypart that isn't the groin or neck (you can shove the neck with an open hand). An important thing in ozumo is that there are no weight classes. That means that you get some big boys in the ring, especially in the last few decades. A normal-sized top-division wrestler weighs around 300 lbs, and is usually around 6 ft. tall. There are a few small firecrackers, like Midorifuji and Terutsuyoshi, but "small" in this case means 5'8" and 250 lbs. The big boys are 6'+ and weigh over 400lbs. Rankings and the banzuke Ranks in sumo determine everything, from who you face in the ring, to how much money you have, to what sort of hairstyle you get to wear. There's a brutally Darwinian system of promotion and relegation: if you post more wins than losses in a tournament, your rank goes up. More losses than wins, your rank goes down. Due to the highly-regimented life in the sumo association, higher ranks are not only associated with more pay, but with greater privileges and freedom in the sumo lifestyle. The highest ranks, ozeki and yokozuna, have special requirements for promotion, and wrestlers at those ranks have some protection from demotion, as well as facing specal scrutiny of their personal behavior and fighting style. Ranks are recorded on a document called a banzuke, which is a literal piece of paper with wrestlers' names on a chart in a sumo-specific calligraphy. A wrestler's rank is often referred to as his "position on the banzuke". Each new banzuke is released 2 weeks before the upcoming tournament, and sort of marks the beginning of the sumo season for that tournament. Copies of the banzuke are a popular collector's item.  How do I watch sumo if I'm not in Japan? If you're not in Japan there are basically 3 options: 1) Official broadcast streams/recordings 2) Bootleg streams (subject to getting shut down) 3) Youtube compilations that upload within a few hours of action The easiest way to start is with the compilations, but there is something genuinely thrilling about watching live. In addition to the actual bouts, there's a good amount of other sumo content available, from blogs to podcasts to Youtube channels to forums. I'll cover all of these sumo resources in a subsequent post.  Important wrestlers Because the top division only has 42 dudes you can get a real sense for their individual styles and personalities, which is one of the most fun parts of sumo. Below is a list of a few important rikishi. Note: wrestlers adopt a ring name, or shikona, when they enter sumo. Occasionally a wrestler will change their ring name, usually either to commemorate a career benchmark, or to break a streak of bad luck. There are various ring-naming conventions in the different stables, usually to honor the stablemaster or a prominent former wrestler. That's why there are a bunch of Kotos and Chiyos running around. Shikona usually have some meaning, referencing mountains and wind and power and stuff. Terunofuji - a beastly Mongolian with an incredible comeback story and no knees at all. The current yokozuna (i.e. top-ranked rikishi), but who knows for how long. Takakeisho - a spherical Japanese wrestler who's been ozeki since 2019, and who is perhaps the most perfect exemplar of pusher-thruster sumo. Takayasu - Sumo's heartbreaker. With 7 tournament runner-up results but no championships, the friendly bear from Ibaraki is looking to finally win one (and maybe regain ozeki!) this year. Wakatakakage - A skilled all-round wrestler who missed his ozeki chance earlier this year but is still fighting great at the top of the card. Kotonowaka, Hoshoryu, and Oho - Three wrestlers descended from sumo royalty, dubbed by Tachiai Blog "the young princes", all three have been making a splash in the top division lately, especially Hoshoryu. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtUfdZb0grw&t=300s Other important wrestlers to watch (I could write bios for almost everyone but that gets excessive). Tobizaru - Chaotic and fun Ura - Another beloved injury/recovery story Tamawashi - 38 year old iron man Abi - Spider-legged bro idiot (I love him) Mitakeumi and Shodai - Two hapless former ozeki When you're starting out it's hard to tell all the massive men in diapers apart. The color of the mawashi can help, and certain guys are easy (Takayasu's hairy back, Ura's winning smile). Eventually you'll be able to tell them apart, but no one can remember what Shimanoumi or Hidenoumi look like. Don't sweat it.  Sumo history and nerd poo poo Feel free to skip this portion if you're not particularly interested in the anthropological and sociological backgrounds of big man fighting Sumo has very ancient origins in Shinto spiritual practice; according to legend the gods Takemikazuchi and Takeminakata engaged in a grappling match to determine the fate of the Japanese archipelago. Shades of that tradition are present in the pre-bout rituals of salt-throwing (to purify the ring) and stomping (to frighten off unfriendly spirits). Very early sumo was probably an agricultural ritual to ensure good harvests. The first historically verified bout happened in 642, and was organized by the empress to entertain a Korean delegation. As sumo transformed into a sporting spectacle it was initially incredibly violent, with deaths in the ring being far from uncommon. Throughout the next 1000 years sumo was organized in a variety of ways. Initially an imperial court ritual, after the power of the emperor declined the sport was sponsored by various daimyos and shoguns, starting as a sort of military exercize and then becoming popular entertainment. In the 17th century, during the Edo period, "street sumo" had become very raucous, and was banned as a menace to public safety. Thereafter the only permitted sumo competitions were "kanjin-zumo", used to raise money for temples and public works. The groups that organized these fundraising drives and tournaments eventually developed into the modern sumo associations in Osaka and Tokyo. In the late 18th century a number of renowned wrestlers emerged, including the first yokozuna, and the overall modern structure of ranks and stables etc. was essentially established. In 1927 the competing Osaka and Tokyo sumo associations merged, and then (after being briefly banned following WWII) the truly modern form of sumo was established in 1958, with 15 day tournaments, 6 tournaments per year, and basically all of the current rules. Almost all sumo records are reckoned from 1958 for this reason. An interesting note about sumo is that its current status as a bedrock symbol of Japanese culture is largely due to the interest of two emperors, Meiji in the late 19th century and Showa in the 20th. Meiji supported sumo during a period when Western culture was ascendent in Japan, organizing a tournament in 1884, which probably saved the sport from being discarded as old-fashioned in an era where Western culture was all the rage. Showa loved sumo (he established the Emperor's Cup, originally the Prince Regent's Cup), and his support for it after WWII really helped solidify it as emblematic of Japanese nationhood in an era where the militaristic nationalism of the imperial period was no longer viable. As a result of all of this intermixing of culture, nationalism, and sport, sumo occupies an unusual and sometimes uncomfortable position as both a modern sporting association and also a living piece of cultural heritage. The ramifications of these tensions are nearly as interesting as the huge men themselves, and make for quite a bit of conversational grist between tournaments. Hmu in the thread if you wanna go to town on this. Hopefully it's not too gauche to quote some ruminations I had in the last thread: Kenning posted:The YDC's relationship with Hakuho is the example par excellence of the fundamental tension in sumo between sport and cultural heritage. The fact that modern sumo is tied up with the Imperial family points clearly to the fact that, like the Imperial family, sumo has been a tool used to create and understand Japanese nationhood, especially in the modern period. This is a weird thing for any sporting association to be, because athletes are rarely the sort of literary and philosophical types who discourse on the meaning of national identity, but the issue really started to heat up in the 90s when non-Japanese nationals began to ascend to the heights of sumo. What could Akebono possibly care about how the Way of Sumo expresses and reinforces certain cultural values that are important to the way Japan conceives of itself? He was an athlete, and a remarkable one, and that was mostly it. bessantj posted:I know it's clipping a short bit of your very interesting post but do you really think it rattled Terunofuji? I always feel that he's a bit more self confident than that and probably thought 'that'll get a reaction' that rattled him. The big problem is we don't get to see a lot of who the wrestlers really are, certainly not through post bout interviews so you could be absolutely on the money. Kenning posted:He's definitely confident, I'm not disputing that. I also suspect he was studying tape and thinking about what Hakuho was likely to use against him. If you're psyching yourself up for a whole tournament to face Hakuho and on day 14 he does something he's never done before I feel like it would at least plant some doubt. The thing is, whether or not his weird tachi-ai rattled Terunofuji, Hakuho created the possibility that it could do so, which is in line with what my basic argument is about him being a perfect athlete. He never stops trying to create an advantage. I think that's part of what annoys the YDC, who just want him to be a stoic cliff standing against the sea as the waves crash into him. Maybe some former yokozuna were like that, but probably not. Kenning posted:The thing about sumo being rigid and unchanging and hyper-traditional is a weird bit of kayfabe. They change stuff all the time. The kosho seido system (allowing rank protection for one basho in the case of injury) was abolished in 2003, after having been established in 1972. The number of basho was set at 6 in 1958, the number of days in a basho was set at 15 in 1949, the roof of the dohyo was suspended from the ceiling (rather than being on pillars) in 1952. The size of the dohyo was increased in 1931, and the shikiri-sen were added in 1928, shortly after the modern sumo association was formed in 1927 when the Osaka and Tokyo associations merged. They're fine making changes. In conclusion,  Hakkeyoi! Kenning fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Sep 14, 2023 |
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 This post contains information about the current or upcoming tournament, as well as Goon Fantasy Sumo. Next basho: Hatsu 2023, January 8th - 22nd, Ryogoku Kokogikan Current banzuke: code:The san'yaku Terunofuji got surgery and is currently recovering and won't be competing. At 31 he's definitely in retirement age, and it seems his health problems are catching up to him again. I bet he could win another yusho, but it's gonna be hard. Takakeisho looking pretty decent at ozeki lately, but Shodai and Mitakeumi are both doneskies. Shodai could come back with 10 wins, and his chaos energy wants him to, but I doubt it will happen. Takayasu is currently sitting at 23 wins the last two tournaments, although he was ranked in the maegashira for both. If he had a commanding victory he could possibly regain ozeki, but it'd be a tough sell. Maybe in Haru? Hoshoryu arguably on an ozeki run with 11 wins last tournament. Also, Kotonowaka and Wakamotoharu both making their san'yaku debut! Maegashira Mitakeumi is down in the maegashira for the first time since Hatsu 2020. Hope he can find his sumo again, he's been looking terrible lately. Two more Isegahama rikishi, Nishikifuji and Midorifuji, are both offering credible showings in the joi, while Oho seems to have found his stride in the top division. Tochinoshin continues to struggle it out, as does Takarafuji, now at the bottom of the division. These are two likely intai candidates this year. Juryo and below Asanoyama is back in juryo, and would sure like to be back up in makuuchi. He'll have to contend with quite a card of up-and-comers, including Kazakh Kinbozan, Mongolian Oshoma, Russian Roga, and Japanese Atamifuji and Hokuseiho. These are all really exciting prospects that people have been following for a few years, so it's likely to be a brawl down there. Kawazoe is at Ms7e, so it's not super likely he'll be in juryo in Haru, but we could possibly see him in the top division by year's end if he keeps fighting well. Miyagino's Otani and Nishonoseki's Takahashi both jumped divisions with 6-1 results last basho, to makushita and sandanme respectively, so they continue to look good. Some real fun stuff down the banzuke lately!  Goonzuke: code:We've lost two goonzeki, captainblastum and the stalwart GoatSeeGuy, who has held the rank since Hatsu 2021, the first to achieve it in the modern era (which started in January of 2020). The ozeki ranks were fortified somewhat by Thauros, who got the nod after a commanding record at sekiwake and lots of consistency the last few basho. No one is on much of an ozeki run in Hatsu, but GoatSeeGuy and captainblastum could get the automatic re-promotion with a sufficiently strong record. We've got a bit of a log jam at the top of the maegashira, which is the reason for the truly heinous number of san'yaku. Netsky just moved over to the east side with their winning record, while Tochiazuma didn't move at all. They're joined by Fluffdaddy rocketing up from M15w on the back of their huge yusho. On the juryo-maegashira exchange, we've got Teddybear, Liquid Communism, Pakled, Neodoomium, Kuros, and Brut jumping up, and Saturnine Aberrance, whats for dinner, Gaghskull, LlamaTrauma, S.W.O.R.D. Agent, and ratmosphere getting relegated. The weird spread of results and the overburdened san'yaku lead to much more exchange than usual. I hope you will all gambarize in time for Hatsu! 
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Sumo resources: Live streams Official NHK stream - great cameras and English-language commentary. Unfortunately usually only broadcasts the second half of the day's bouts on the free online stream Midnight Sumo and Karla_Sumoist - two Twitch streamers who broadcast the Abema feed, which has somewhat lower quality video than NHK and no English commentary. If I can't find a streamer doing the full NHK broadcast I'll often start with one of these and then switch to the official NHK stream at the midway. If you know about bootleg streamers who broadcast NHK please let us know during the basho! I would give anything to be able to pay for an official live stream that I didn't have to bootleg, but currently there's not really a way to do that without subscribing to all of NHK World afaik. Youtube channels (tournament broadcasts) Jason's All-Sumo Channel - This is the best for true newbies. Jason is a dorky but charming American in Japan who loves sumo, and who provides his own commentary and explains the rules and personalities very well. He usually only covers the last few bouts of the day, but those are high-rankers who it's good to learn, and you get to watch all the pre-bout action that is very fun. Kintamayama - A venerable online sumo legend, Kinta offers an aggressively-edited daily compliation of all the top-division bouts along with occasional lower-division highlights. Often has pithy and hilarious captions on the bouts. Basically the only way to watch daily sumo in less than 20 minutes. My personal go-to. Natto Sumo - Relatively new on the scene, Natto's compliations are a bit longer than Kinta's (he doesn't edit out long pauses when the wrestlers are just leaning on each other, for example), and he includes ridiculously comprehensive stats as a bout is about to start. Has a bad habit of trying to monetize in-platform and getting shut down (the other guys just have like PayPal tip jars). Youtube channels (other content) Sumo Prime Time - an official JSA English-language channel featuring Hiro Morita, one of the NHK commentators. He's not a popular commentator, but the channel has some great content, including rikishi interviews, behind-the-scenes video at stables and backstage at tournaments, and lots of other sumo content. Great for a new fan! Sumostew - a sumo fan with a very adorable voiceover voice and a knack for making really fun and interesting videos about various odd angles in sumo (such as the history of Nishikigi's fairly obscure Shikona). She's wonderful, and all of her videos are top-notch. Chris Sumo - usually attends every day of a basho, he gets angles that other official cameras don't, and does a good job breaking down storylines during a tournament. His between-basho content can be a little tiresome, since he engages with a some dumb sumo conspiracy stuff. Some people hate him, but I think he's good to check out while the basho is on. Podcasts Grand Sumo Breakdown - a podcast by 4 American sumo fans, they do 3 episodes per tournament (preview, midway, recap), as well as banzuke predictions and bonus episodes on specific topics. I always listen. Sumo Mainichi - delightful podcast run by Dave and Amy from Australia, who used to do hour-long episodes every day during the tournament (which is insane), they're now doing a more reasonable banzuke/preview/midway/recap format. Captures the vibe of just sitting around with friends and lightheartedly bullshitting about sumo. Sumo Kaboom - another lighthearted pod run by two sisters from Texas. Laurie and Leslie typically do a group recap episode every three or four days of the tournament, but they also run content non-stop between tournaments. They’ve snagged some pretty impressive guests (John Gunning, Konishiki) for live interviews, and they do theme episodes discussing various aspects of Sumo or things sumo-adjacent. Sumo websites and forums Sumo on Wikipedia - genuinely very good and useful. The glossary of sumo terms is also a great reference. Just click around on various sumo-related topics for lots of great information. Sumo DB - an obsessively-compiled repository of sumo stats in English. Crucial reference source. Tachiai Blog - great day-by-day coverage during tournaments, and good analysis in between. Pretty fun sports writing. Heya A-Z - A wonderful guide to all of the personnel in sumo in all of the heyas, not only wrestlers but also gyoji, tokoyama, and yobidashi. There are photos from every year they're active, so you can watch Hakuho grow up! Sumo Forum - as full of pedantic nerd poo poo as you can expect from a niche web forum, it's also a good source for sumo news translated into English. I've never really read it but I know a few people here check in. r/sumomemes - exactly what it sounds like. Get your meme on. @sumofollower on Twitter - Really good at getting sumo news out in English quickly. For the real heads, you can follow people like Hakuho and Asashoryu and the former Orora on Twitter and Instagram. Unfortunately active rikishi don't get to have social media accounts at the moment (because of Abi, obviously), but hopefully they backtrack that rule soon. h/t to Bentai, net work error, Log082, Lid, Thauros, pseudodragon, some kinda jackal, Elissimpark, GoatSeeGuy, and Shiroc for helping compile this list! Kenning fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jan 16, 2024 |
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 Fantasy Sumo We have a fantasy sumo tournament alongside every sumo tournament. In short, you pick wrestlers for your team, and get points for their performance, just like any other sport. Fantasy is a great way to get to know more wrestlers, especially guys lower down on the banzuke, and it makes it so even bouts that have no impact on the yusho race are still exciting. Drafting You'll have 5 wrestlers on your team, each from a different rank set: 1 from the yokozuna/ozeki ranks 1 from the sekiwake/komusubi ranks 1 from maegashira 1-5 1 from maegashira 6-10 1 from maegashira 11+ Multiple people can have the same wrestler, but there are limits to keep it interesting. Therefore, when submitting your picks, choose 3 guys from each set. An example draft from a previous tournament: Y/O: Terunofuji / Asanoyama / Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu / Daiesho / Takanosho M1-M5: Wakatakakage / Hokutofuji / Meisei M6-M10: Tsurugisho / Tamawashi / Ichinojo M11+: Kotonowaka / Chiyoshoma / Kaisei We do a snake draft and have a running draft wire, but that's not too important for players to keep track of. Wrestlers can also be traded during the first week. Scoring Points will be granted in the following ways: 1 pt. for each win 5 pts. for the championship or yusho 3 pts for the runner-up, or jun-yusho 3 pts for a special prize, or sansho 2 pts for a gold star victory, or kinboshi 1 pt. for a winning record, or kachi-koshi -.5 pt. for a losing record, or make-koshi -.5 pt. for your second trade -1 pt. for every trade beyond the first 2 There are a couple of special rules in scoring. You get the make-koshi penalty for a wrestler even if you traded them away. You only get the kachi-koshi score from a wrestler who is in your stable at the end of the tournament. You only get the kinboshi score from a wrestler if they scored the kinboshi while they were in your stable AND if you still have them at the end of the tournament. The jun-yusho points will not be awarded if 3 or more wrestlers are tied for second place in terms of their record. Here are the tie-breakers, in order: Yusho Jun-yusho Total Sansho Total Kinboshi Total kachi-koshi Fewest trades Trading In case of injury or plain underperformance, wrestlers can be traded out during the first week. No trades are accepted after middle Sunday, or nakabi*. Players can trade once per day. The wrestlers must belong to the same rank set, and the new wrestler needs to be available (i.e. not held by too many other players already). Conflicts are resolved by postion on the draft wire, and trading places you at the bottom of the wire. Trades must be submitted before the top-division bouts start that day. *Extremely fine-grained kyujo auto-trading rules This is for the real heads: there's no reason to read this if you just wanna play fantasy. Official Fantasy rule: Kyujo auto-trading In the event of a kyujo, the following auto-trading rules are in place: Week 1 - Days 1-7 (trading open): If a wrestler goes kyujo 1) Any player with that wrestler can request a trade on the day of the kyujo announcement, which will be registered for the next day as a normal trade. 2) Any player with that wrestler who does not request a trade on the day of the kyujo announcement will get an auto-trade down their initial draft picks, registered for the day after the fusen loss. 3) Any player whose draft picks and wire position mean they cannot get an auto-replacement is boned until they request a specific alternative. 4) Any player who does not wish to make an auto-trade must request so before the auto-trade is made. 5) Any trades (normal or auto-) still result in losing position in the draft wire. 6) In the event of multiple simultaneous kyujo on a single day on a single team, auto-trades will be processed on subsequent days for ranks in descending order, unless otherwise requested by the player. Week 2 - Days 8-15 (trading closed): If a wrestler goes kyujo: 1) All auto-trades will use the initial draft wire, but will suffer the fusen penalty first. No trade requests are available in week 2. If a given wrestler on the wire is unavailable the player is, alas, boned. 2) If a player made week 1 trade requests that differ from the initial draft picks these will be followed instead of the initial draft request, if possible. 3) If a kyujo wrestler returns to action after the auto-trades have gone through, a player can request to return to their original wrestler, which will count as a trading, including all trading penalties (point deductions, loss of wire position, etc. apply). The auto-traded rikishi remains as having been on the team for purposes of registering a MK (if applicable). This rule is not applicable if the wrestler went kyujo in week 1 and was actively traded away, only for auto-trades. This rule is a formalization of the rule we developed in Aki 2021, with thanks to Khizan for thoughts on the details, and Saturnine Aberrance for suggesting the #3 proviso regarding returning kyujo. The Goonzuke Based on their performance, players in Fantasy get ranked on the Goonzuke, which is our own banzuke. See the OP for current rankings. Kenning fucked around with this message at 22:41 on Jan 27, 2024 |
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poo poo I should have included a Shodai poll with only one option.
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I think Shodai can do it this year.
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To divert a little bit, who do you all think is the most likely next ozeki: 1) Shodai 2) Takayasu 3) Wakatakakage 4) Hoshoryu 5) Kotonowaka 6) Wakamotoharu 7) other Personally I don't think Takayasu can maintain his level of competition for the next two basho (I don't think they'll give it to him after Hatsu without something crazy). I could see Hoshoryu getting the nod after Haru, he's coming off an 11-4 and hasn't had a make-koshi since Kyushu 2021. If WTK won with a 14-1 or a 15-0 I could see him getting it as well. Comedy option is Shodai goes 11-4 for a repromotion. I'm betting on Hoshoryu and Wakatakakage to be next in line.
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New year, new thread, new Fantasy Sumo code:Note that the only Y/O candidate right now is Takakeisho, since Teru is kyujo. My spreadsheet can't accommodate consolidating rank sets, and also making substantial rules modifications to deal with extenuating circumstances is incredibly un-sumo-like. As a result, basically everyone will get Takakeisho. This just makes the S/K pick even more important! Please enter your draft in the following format: Y/O: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 S/K: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 M1-5: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 M6-10: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 M11+: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 If you've never played Fantasy before, check out the rules. In brief: just choose 3 guys at each rank, and you'll be drafted a team of dudes. That's all you really need to do, although you can trade during the first week if you want (most people don't). It's really fun and helps you get more familiar with lower-ranked guys. Get your draft picks in by Saturday night Pacific time so I can do the draft for Sunday! Hakkeyoi!
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I've always liked Takayasu, but he was never my main dude. At this point though I'm fully on board, and I want him to get the cup so bad. He's fought so hard through so much, and he's 32. C'mon papa bear, lift that trophy.
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Flesnolk posted:sumo I agree. Elissimpark posted:Yeah, I like sumo: Lmao Dimebags Brain posted:Y/O: I admire this overwhelming display of hinkaku. If Shodai wins this basho you'll be like Raiden, a "peerless fantasy rikishi". Also you're going on the goonzuke now.
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Btw, there's a big storm coming through the Bay Area and there's a good chance I lose power in the next few days. Keep posting fantasy picks, and if you don't hear from me before the basho I'm still doing the draft. I'll work through everything in order and take trades and stuff too.
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Last couple hours for fantasy drafts! Welcome to all the new players, it's gonna be fun. Please format your draft picks as below if possible, it makes inputting the stuff into the spreadsheet a lot easier. Here are my picks: Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka Hoshoryu Wakatakakage M1-5: Tamawashi Tobizaru Abi M6-10: Oho Onosho Hokutofuji M11+: Kotoshoho Okinoumi Chiyoshoma
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I love Chiyomaru so much. We've got our draft picks in! My power has been flickering in and out but it looks like we're going to post. Welcome back to riderchop and Elissimpark, returning to Fantasy after being kyujo for 15 and 14 basho respectively, and to Spokes, who is narrowly avoiding going banzuke-gai. Also welcome to the newcomers who've just completed mae-zumo: Average Lettuce, Eldoop, ImplicitAssembler, Samuel L. Hacksaw, Single Tight Female, and Winter Stormer. Allow me to urge you to ganbatte kudasai and uphold the spirit of Fantasy Sumo. Heya: Akiosan Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Onosho M11+: Tochinoshin anakha Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Tsurugisho Average Lettuce Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Nishikifuji M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Hiradoumi Banana Canada Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-M5: Abi M6-M10: Ura M11+: Kotoeko bartolimu Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Mitakeumi M6-10: Oho M11+: Chiyomaru Ben Nerevarine Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Ura M11+: Tochinoshin Bentai Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Oho M11+: Okinoumi bessantj Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Ura M11+: Tsurugisho Biosys Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Ura M11+: Ichiyamamoto Boogalo Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Nishikifujii M6-10: Oho M11+: Kotoeko Brut Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Nishikifuji M6-10: Oho M11+: Mitoryu captainblastum Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Ura M11+: Chiyomaru Charles Gnarwin Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Nishikifuji M6-10: Ura M11+: Kotoshoho Chinook Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Ichinojo M11+: Mitoryu Communist Thoughts Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Daeiesho M6-10: Oho M11+: Chiyomaru Crusty Nutsack Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Oho M11+: Azumaryu Dead Goon Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Ura M11+: Tochinoshin do it on my face Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Hiradoumi M11+: Azumaryu Eldoop Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Aoiyama M11+: Tochinoshin Eli949 Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Nishikifuji M6-10: Ura M11+: Kagayaki Elissimpark Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Takarafuji Flinger Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Azumaryu Fluffdaddy Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-M5: Abi M6-M10: Myogiryu M11+: Kagayaki GoatSeeGuy Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Ura M11+: Takarafuji Helianthus Annuus Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Nishikifuji M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Kagayaki Ice Phisherman Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Oho M11+: Kagayaki ilmucche Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Meisei M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Endo M11+: Chiyomaru ImplicitAssembler Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Tochinoshin Iron Chef Nex Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Oho M11+: Chiyoshoma jmzero Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Mitakeumi M6-10: Oho M11+: Takarafuji Jobbo_Fett Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Takanosho M11+: Tochinoshin John McClane Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Kotoeko Kenning Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Oho M11+: Kotoshoho Khizan Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Onosho M11+: Kotoshoho Kuros Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Oho M11+: Kotoshoho Lid Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Endo M11+: Chiyomaru Liquid Communism Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Myogiryu M11+: Tochinoshin LlamaTrauma Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ichinojo M11+: Okinoumi Log082 Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-5: Mitakeumi M6-10: Oho M11+: Tsurugisho MalarkeyToboggan Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-M5: Abi M6-M10: Takanosho M11+: Kotoshoho Mode 7 Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Ura M11+: Kotoeko MyChemicalImbalance Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Oho M11+: Kagayaki Nativity In Black Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ura M11+: Tochinoshin Neodoomium Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Myogiryu M11+: Chiyoshoma Netsky Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Ura M11+: Kagayaki NuclearPotato Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ura M11+: Tochinoshin oldskool Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Myogiryu M11+: Tsurugisho Pakled Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Takayasu M1-5: Tobizaru M6-10: Ura M11+: Kotoshoho PJ Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Tochinoshin pseudodragon Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka M1-5: Mitakuemi M6-10: Oho M11+: Kotoshoho QuasiQuack Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Kotoeko rare Magic card l00k Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Daieisho M6-10: Ura M11+: Tochinoshin ratmosphere Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Ura M11+: Takarafuji riderchop Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-5: Mitakeumi M6-10: Endo M11+: Tochinoshin Robviously Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Sadanoumi M6-10: Endo M11+: Kotoshoho S.W.O.R.D. 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If you had been slightly further down the draft wire you would have gotten your 3rd pick, who was Takanosho. Alas!
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Jan 8, 2023 09:42
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Sorry for a bit of latency, I've been losing power and internet like crazy during this storm. I heard a tree fall on a powerline last night! Catching up with thread business, then I'll post Day 2 standings.ilmucche posted:ilmucche Looking at my draft list you should have gotten Tochi. The cutoff for maegashira guys was 18 players, and you were number 18, so I must have mis-counted at some point in the draft. Thanks for calling my attention to it, you'll have Tochi from Day 1. Chinook posted:Oh crap, I ended up with a banned rikishi Ichinojo. Could I have one of my other choices instead? Whoops, I tried to catch everyone who would have gotten Ichi, but missed you. You've got Takanosho from Day 1. Marching Powder posted:i was going to go kyujo this basho but gently caress it, if i'm too late or you just can't be hosed or w/e don't worry about Glad you're back after your brief rest, you get the following team starting Day 2: Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-M5: Abi M6-M10: Hokutofuji M11+: Kotoshoho Beexoffel posted:Pity, I forgot to submit my teams because I was on a trip. Xerzes posted:Missed the new thread and thus forgot to submit fantasy sumo. I feel great shame in this and accept the loss of several days' points. These two teams will be scored from Day 3: Beexoffel Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Shodai M1-M5: Abi M6-M10: Hokutofuji M11+: Chiyomaru Xerxes Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Aoiyama M11+: Chiyomaru
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Alright, we've seen some great sumo so far this basho. Day 2 standings: Makuuchi code:code:Kenning fucked around with this message at 08:54 on Jan 10, 2023 |
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Brut posted:There's another one of these btw Gah! Thanks. I swapped out Ichi for Endo.
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Jan 10, 2023 08:54
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ilmucche posted:Aww thanks kenning, you're a champ! Hope your power issues are resolved safely! Thanks friend! I spent a completely maniacal night by myself with no internet and no cell service yesterday playing Dwarf Fortress for 8 hours after work. I think we're getting a bit better on the infrastructure front. e: oh god I just heard a tree go down as I was writing this. I'm still good but jfc. JNCO BILOBA posted:Thank you for this thread and the last one. I checked out the sport last time and am following/learning this time. I'm having a lot of fun! Welcome to the thread and to sumo! MyChemicalImbalance posted:The psychology of the banzuke is super interesting to me, if you're going for yushos then it makes sense to take your rest, but if you're hoping to put together an Ozeki run then you might value position more, missing two Bashos then having to climb that mountain again might be a factor in some of these decisions to gut things out. The psychology and the pressure of the banzuke is basically the defining characteristic of sumo after the lack of weight classes. It's the core of so much drama. Cocomonk3 posted:Dangit, that sucks. He was how I watched. What's the next best similar option? Natto Sumo is a good alternative, but I always miss Kinta if he's not able to post. Kuros posted:I didn't realize I had been promoted! Yeah, you're maegashira 12 west! Congrats. Everyones Favorite Poster posted:Massive mental lapse here - somehow convinced myself we started next weekend! I have some picks in case I'm allowed a very belated entry, otherwise I shall sit out for breaking fantasy COVID protocols. Here's your team from Day 4: Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-M5: Tobizaru M6-M10: Hokutofuji M11+: Ichiyamamoto Because I'm looking at this on Day 5, I'm just giving you Ichiyamamoto instead of Tochinoshin cause the admin bullshit of first giving you Tochi, then auto-trading Ichi etc. would be too annoying. Bentai posted:Kenning, if I can, I'd like to trade Oho for either Ura or Hokutofuji. Thanks! Trade registered for Day 4, you got Hokutofuji. Kuros posted:Trade request: Single Tight Female posted:Oh dear I may be new to the sport but that did not look good. Kenning can I trade Tochinoshin for Kotoeko or Ichiyamamoto? MyChemicalImbalance posted:Trade request: Oho for Onosho, Aoiyama or Ura please. Spokes posted:i'll swap tochinoshin for whoever is on the fewest amount of rosters, or if that's not an option, a completely random option, and if that's not an option, Kotoeko or Kotoshoho riderchop posted:Kenning, I gotta get Tochi out of mine, pick between Kotoeko, Azumaryu, Ura for me ImplicitAssembler posted:If I could please swap Tochinoshin for Kotoeko or Kotoshoho. Teddybear posted:Yeah, Oho's gotta go. Kenning, can I trade Oho for Onosho, Hokutofuji, or Ura, please? Ice Phisherman posted:I'd like to trade Oho for Onosho, Ura or Hokotofuji please. Ben Nerevarine posted:poo poo. drat. Kenning, I'd like to trade Tochinoshin for Kotoeko or Chiyomaru if possible rare Magic card l00k posted:I cursed Tochi I am sorry to Tochicrew. NuclearPotato posted:RIP Tochi; of course it’d be the first time I picked you when you finally break All trades registered for Day 5. I'll also be trading Oho for Onosho. Trade results: code:ullerrm posted:* Trade Tochinoshin (now kyujo) for Takarafuji, Kotoshoho, or Kotoeko You got Takarafuji on Day 5, and Onosho on Day 6. I'm gonna finish filling out the spreadsheet and then post Day 4 results in a few minutes.
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No day: Hoshoryu looking loving incredible, he could make ozeki after this basho. Day 4 standings: Makuuchi code:code:
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Jan 12, 2023 11:12
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whats for dinner posted:Kenning, I think you mighta missed my trade request: Thanks for catching this, you have Kotoshoho day 5. And yeah, I've been digging a little too greedily and too deep, but otherwise I've been holding it together.
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Jan 12, 2023 12:12
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 ilmucche posted:Despite his injury I will be staying with tochinoshin please. Especially after getting the rework to have him on my team Vargatron posted:I am going to display gaman and keep Oho on my team. I have a feeling he's going to come around on the middle third. pseudodragon posted:I agree. I'm riding the Kotonowaka and Oho ship all the way to the bitter end. bartolimu posted:Kenning: I don't want to auto-trade Takayasu. His return to san'yaku and mine will end together, unless the rest of my stable gets off their asses and pulls off perfection from here on out. This is fine hinkaku, and I recognize the fighting spirit you are all displaying. Ice Phisherman posted:Sort of same. You quoted me for trading but I wasn't on the list. Whoops, sorry! You got Onosho from Day 5. Dead Goon posted:I never really know what to do when someone goes kyujo, do you automatically trade for someone from my picks at the same rank, Kenning? In the case of kyujo, you can request any appropriate trade. If the trade request comes in before the next day's bouts you get it and avoid the fusen. If you don't request a trade, you get the next person down your draft line after you eat the fusen loss. You'll be auto-traded (and dropped down the draft wire) unless you specifically request not to be traded. If you don't request a trade and your draft line is unavailable you're boned. There's more detail in this post. You didn't request a trade, but this basically a trade inquiry, so you can get Chiyomaru from day 6. If you'd like other trades lmk and we can work it out. Akiosan posted:Requesting to trade out Tochinoshin for Kagayaki or Okinoumi in that order as that's who I chose originally. Thanks! Average Lettuce posted:Can I trade Nishikifuji for Daieisho or Abi? If not just let it be. Bentai posted:Kenning, sorry to do this but I gotta get rid of Okinoumi as well. Kotoshoho, Azumaryu, Kotoeko, Takarafuji. Dealer's choice. anakha posted:Kenning, requesting to trade Tsurugisho for Kotoeko. Eldoop posted:Oof that's two kyujo for me now, Kenning could I trade Takayasu for Hoshoryu perchance? Or failing that Wakatakakage? bessantj posted:How many trades do we get? Please see see this post for all trading rules. In short: you get as many trades as you want in week 1, but can suffer penalties. Trade outcomes for day 6: code:Communist Thoughts posted:Aw drat that sucks. Kenning, Can I trade Takayasu for Kiribiyama? anakha posted:Kenning, requesting to trade Tsurugisho for Kotoeko. Yes to both, day 7. Fluffdaddy posted:I need to trade Takayasu for Hoshoryu or Wakatakakage You got Wakatakakage day 7. Ben Nerevarine posted:All my favorite boys are dropping like big flies So, both Hoshoryu and Wakatakakage are full. This is a weird circumstance, cause normally I would just throw the picks open to whoever in the case of kyujo, but there are so many S/K options right now. I've decided, in a break with tradition, to assign you and any remaining Takayasu players Kiribayama, who had the best score at the time Takayasu went kyujo. I hope that's satisfactory. Now for some auto-trades. Here are the Tochinoshin auto-trades for day 6, except for Eldoop who got him Day 7 (because of a different Day 6 trade): code:code:Kenning fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Jan 15, 2023 |
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Alright, we're all caught up. Day 7: gently caress the haters, Takakeisho is an excellent ozeki. That motherfucker fights like hell. Day 7 standings: Makuuchi code:code:
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Jan 15, 2023 07:41
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anakha posted:After the umpteenth time this has happened, you'd think he'd try to change up his approach a bit. I like Natto, he seems like a sumo himbo. I have internet back! I was 5 days behind, but I've caught up and I'll have scores up for Day 13 tomorrow, along with working out any fiddly scoring stuff people mentioned. Glad to be back in the basho with everyone.
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Great basho, sorry I haven't been able to update the thread with fantasy results. This is a big field, and there's been quite a few kyujo so my spreadsheet is pretty unwieldy, especially trying to catch up on like 6 days of action. I hoping (hoping!) to get day 14 results up before senshuraku but realistically I doubt I'll be done before then. Luckily, there shouldn't be 20 inches of rain in the Bay Area during the March tournament, and also I should probably take another pass and automate even more of my spreadsheet.
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Jan 22, 2023 02:13
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I think if Keishi takes the yusho he gets the rope.
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Jan 22, 2023 04:36
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He was runner-up in a playoff last time. It would be ridiculous to withhold it after he's been a solid ozeki for 4 years. He's got 2 yusho and 8 jun-yusho. He's earned it.
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Jan 22, 2023 04:44
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Basho Results This was the biggest fantasy field we've ever had, and it was a great basho for it. Luckily there weren't any kyujo for week two, so I didn't have to deal with that while I myself was kyujo dealing with my infrastructure issues. In my opinion Takakeisho made a strong argument for the belt: not only did he take the yusho after a playoff runner-up, but he had several wins with techniques that weren't just pushing or thrusting results – two kotenage, and a sukuinage to win on day 15. He's had immaculate ring presence, and honestly has fought as well as anyone can be expected to, so if he doesn't get the nod I'll consider it a slight. Besides that the san-yaku mostly struggled, with Wakatakakage and Hoshoryu failing to make ozeki moves, while Kotonowaka barely scraped a kachi-koshi. Kiribayama had an excellent tournament, but no one right now is on any sort of ozeki run – arguably a 14-1 or a zensho-yusho could earn it for (in order of viability) Hoshoryu, Kiribayama, or Wakamotoharu, but it's a tough argument and I'm not confident. Daieisho will return to san'yaku next tournament riding on a 10-5, but he'll need to really put up numbers to be in the conversation, and then only for September at the earliest. Alright, enough bloviating, let's get to fantasy: Final Results Makuuchi code:code:Down in juryo Robviously prevailed, again on the back of Kotoshoho and Endo. I hope the Sadogatake man can keep performing after this basho! Special shout out to bartolimu who held onto Takayasu at the expense of 8 points and ilmucche who kept Tochinoshin at the expense of 5 or 6, and to all the late entrants who still showed up to fight without much shot at the cup – you've all shown the sumo spirit in spades, and are a fine example to future fantasy players. On to special prizes! A refresher, these are the special prizes: Gino-sho/Technique: No make-koshi on your team. Kanto-sho/Fighting Spirit: Exceptional performance from a low rank, or other acknowledgement of great performance. Shukun-sho/Outstanding Performance: Getting the highest number of accolades (i.e. kinboshi, yusho/jun-yusho, and sansho) in the field. So, who are the awardees? Gino-sho: Khizan, scripterror, Tiny Bug Child, do it on my face, Samuel L. Hacksaw Kanto-sho: Samuel L. Hacksaw Shukun-sho: Khizan, Tiny Bug Child Congratulations to all the winners this basho, and to everyone else I offer the sincere wish that you might ganbatte kudasai, and study the sumo spirit and the history of our fantasy elders. I think Takakeisho should get the rope.
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Jan 23, 2023 10:24
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Ugh, I wish.
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Jan 23, 2023 12:10
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Jesus Christ man this is loving terrible. I really hope we have viewing options for Haru.
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Feb 1, 2023 20:31
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Who's everyone's favorite rikishi who isn't hot poo poo? By "hot poo poo" I mean Y/O guys like Takakeisho or Harumafuji, or fan favorites/up-and-comers like Ura or Hoshoryu. Someone like Tamawashi is probably hot poo poo (2 yusho and all), and someone like Endo used to be hot poo poo, but isn't really currently. A year ago I would have said Kotonowaka, but he's beginning to approach "hot poo poo" territory. If not him, I'd say Nishikigi. He's a solid, strong wrestler, and I like how unassuming he is. I'm also amused that part of why he tries to fight so close on the belt is that he's extremely near-sighted without glasses. My former favorite like this was Yoshikaze (now Nakamura-oyakata), because of how friendly he appeared to be in contrast with what a crazy berserker he was in the ring.
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Feb 13, 2023 06:19
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That's a pretty good answer tbh
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Feb 13, 2023 06:53
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I've said it before, but I would happily pay both the JSA and NHK if I could to be able to watch sumo.
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Feb 15, 2023 22:08
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I have to imagine major abdominal surgery is fairly risky for a huge dude like Nishonoseki so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get surgery once he retired.
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Feb 21, 2023 20:34
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I'll admit I'm feeling sorta glum this basho with the mass striking of all of the classic channels. I'll probably end up using Natto, I'm just bummed out.
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Feb 26, 2023 23:23
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Samuel L. Hacksaw posted:Less than a week until sumo It sure is! And that means it's time for fantasy! code:Despite all the gloom around the copyright striking of our favorite Youtube sumoers, this is an exciting basho! We're finally seeing Hokuseiho, Kinbozan, and Bushozan in Makuuchi for the first time, which is quite the freshman class! The san'yaku situation has some intrigue as well – Takakeisho can get the belt with a yusho, while Kiribayama and Hoshoryu are arguably on ozeki runs if they put up spectacular numbers (ideally 14-1 yusho, realistically). The joi is very frothy, with 4 yusho winners, including 2 ex-ozeki, in the top of the maegashira, as well as the young phenoms Kotoshoho and Midorifuji. I suspect this will be a heavily contested draft. Okay, enough chatterboxing. I suspect that Teru will be kyujo, but I'm not certain and I don't know anyone else who will be, so please chime in if you have more up-to-date information and I'll add it to the post. Please enter your draft in the following format: Y/O: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 S/K: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 M1-5: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 M6-10: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 M11+: rikishi1 rikishi2 rikishi3 If you've never played Fantasy before, check out the rules. In brief: just choose 3 guys at each rank, and you'll be drafted a team of dudes. That's all you really need to do, although you can trade during the first week if you want (most people don't). It's really fun and helps you get more familiar with lower-ranked guys. I hope people brave the new world of sumo-watching and continue our fantasy tradition. It's one of the delights of being a sumo fan! Hakkeyoi!
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Thanks for the well wishes everyone! It'll be a big fun wedding on my mom's property in the CA Central Valley, near the Sierra foothills. We've been planning it for a while, and it's finally feeling like it'll happen. I'm not sure if I'll watch the day's sumo on my wedding day, but you better believe I'll be watching it on my honeymoon. I'll be closing the draft at 10 pm Pacific time, which should give me time to actually put in my picks. Please share whatever thing you're using to watch the basho, whether it's Natto or Kinta or whatever, and I'll add it to the OP.
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Mar 12, 2023 06:37
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Here are my picks: Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka Hoshoryu Kiribayama M1-5: Tamawashi Kotoshosho Abi M6-10: Ichiyamamoto Nishikifuji Hiradoumi M11+: Hokuseiho Kinbozan Oho
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my cat is norris posted:hello to goons i met in the midnightsumo chat tonight, this was my first time watching sumo and it was very good I'll offer you a special dispensation if you want to submit a fantasy draft tonight! Alternately, you can be kyujo day 1 and join tomorrow. Welcome to the thread!
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Mar 12, 2023 07:46
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Late draft! Netsky, Charles Gnarwin, and Communist Thoughts will have their scores tabulated from Day 2, due to their kyujo on Day 1. Scores incoming. Akiosan Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Onosho M6-10: Endo M11+: Hokuseiho anakha Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakamotoharu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Oho Average Lettuce Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Oho Banana Canada Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakamotoharu M1-5: Mitakeumi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kinbozan bartolimu Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Kotoshoho M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Oho Beexoffel Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Tobizaru M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Hokuseiho Ben Nerevarine Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Tobizaru M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Ura M11+: Hokuseiho Bentai Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Hokuseiho bessantj Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Oho Boogalo Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Kotoshoho M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Oho Brut Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Mitakeumi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kinbozan captainblastum Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Ura M11+: Kinbozan Charles Gnarwin Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Tobizaru M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Ura M11+: Takarafuji Chinook Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Kotoshoho M6-10: Aoiyama M11+: Bushozan Communist Thoughts Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribiyama M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Ichiyamamoto M11+: Kagayaki Crusty Nutsack Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Endo M11+: Azumaryu Dead Goon Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Takarafuji do it on my face Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Hiradoumi M11+: Daishoho Eldoop Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Azumaryu Eli949 Y/O:Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Hokuseiho Elissimpark Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Daiesho M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Sadanoumi M11+: Takarafuji Everyones Favorite Poster Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ura M11+: Hokuseiho Fearless Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Abi M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Hokuseiho Flinger Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ichiyamamoto M11+: Azumaryu Fluffdaddy Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Ryudeb M6-10: Endo M11+: Oho Gaghskull Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ura M11+: Hokuseiho GoatSeeGuy Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kinbozan Helianthus Annuus Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Takanosho Ice Phisherman Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kinbozan ImplicitAssembler Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Ruyden M6-10: Ura M11+: Kotoeko Iron Chef Nex Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakamotoharu M1-5: Onosho M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Kinbozan Jobbo_Fett Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Aoiyama M11+: Kotoeko Kenning Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Ichiyamamoto M11+: Hokuseiho Khizan Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Onosho M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Kagayaki Kuros Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Ryuden M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Hokuseiho Lid Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Kinbozan Liquid Communism Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Kotoshoho M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Oho LlamaTrauma Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Endo M11+: Hokuseiho Log082 Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Ura M11+: Oho MalarkeyToboggan Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ura M11+: Oho Marching Powder Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Daieisho M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Hiradoumi M11+: Chiyoshoma Mode 7 Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Bushozan MyChemicalImbalance Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Takanosho Nativity In Black Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Endo M11+: Bushozan Netsky Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Kinbozan NuclearPotato Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Abi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Hokuseiho oldskool Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Nishikigi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kagayaki Pakled Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Tobizaru M1-5: Kotoshoho M6-10: Ura M11+: Oho PJ Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Daieisho M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Hiradoumi M11+: Chiyoshoma pseudodragon Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kotonowaka M1-5: Mitakuemi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Oho Pvt. Public Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Onosho M6-10: Ichiyamamoto M11+: Hokuseiho QuasiQuack Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Hokutofuji M11+: Kotoeko rare Magic card l00k Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Hokuseiho ratmosphere Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Nishikifuji M11+: Oho riderchop Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Tobizaru M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Ura M11+: Hokuseiho Robviously Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Daieisho M1-5: Kotoshoho M6-10: Endo M11+: Daishoho Samuel L. Hacksaw Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Onosho M6-10: Ichiyamamoto M11+: Kinbozan Saturnine Aberrance Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kinbozan scripterror Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Aoiyama M11+: Takanosho Single Tight Female Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: SHODAI M6-10: Endo M11+: Takanosho sivad Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Mitakeumi M6-10: Ura M11+: Hokuseiho Teddybear Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Kiribayama M1-5: Kotoshoho M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Hokuseiho Thauros Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kinbozan Tiny Bug Child Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Kinbozan Tochiazuma Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Wakatakakage M1-5: Abi M6-10: Ichiyamamoto M11+: Kotoeko ullerrm Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Midorifuji M6-10: Sadanoumi M11+: Kotoeko Vargatron Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Abi M6-10: Takayasu M11+: Oho whats for dinner Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Tamawashi M6-10: Ura M11+: Kinbozan Xerzes Y/O: Takakeisho S/K: Hoshoryu M1-5: Meisei M6-10: Aoiyama M11+: Azumaryu
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I was hoping to post Day 2 results yesterday, but as I was looking to finish the spreadsheet I realized I needed to do the goonzuke to find out who was in what division, so we got delayed. Goonzuke post, then Day 3 results incoming.Bentai posted:I've racked up a whole 6 points in 3 days, and I don't think my big losers are gonna gambarize anytime soon. anakha posted:Kenning, requesting to trade Oho for Takanosho. Thanks. Both registered for Day 4. Also, I'm trading Ichiyamamoto for Nishikifuji.
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