US House TVIV: Watch me (Whip/nay nay)

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Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Any law blocking Elon Musk from the position of Speaker?

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 01:08

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 00:41

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Has anyone raised the possibility that McCarthy has a humiliation fetish of some kind?

# ¿ Jan 4, 2023 18:50

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Comstar posted:

Isn�t this going to end when the owners of the republicans decide enough Is enough and pick someone else?

The Republicans aren't so aligned; even back in the tea party period, a number of pols were genuinely ideologically motivated and/or beholden largely to either a local business constituency or a local voterbase, either of which could be completely brainpoisoned and out of touch with broader common party interests. To put it differently, if there were truly a common set of party "owners" this never would have happened in the first place.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2023 00:32

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Seth Pecksniff posted:

No vote tonight; talks are progressing

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1610798200310624256?cxt=HHwWgMDT5bib2tosAAAA

This may be the outcome of those talks: Club for Growth is switching to support. It appears to be in exchange for them being able to effectively spend without competition in a bunch of primaries, giving them a lot of control versus the Congressional Leadership Fund. That said, it's unlikely these are the only terms involved, and idk how deep CfG reaches into the nutjob part of the party.
https://www.clubforgrowth.org/clf-club-for-growth-come-to-key-agreement-in-support-of-kevin-mccarthy-for-speaker/

# ¿ Jan 5, 2023 01:47

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Dems should switch all their votes from Jeffries to Pelosi.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2023 07:03

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

YggiDee posted:

Okay I'm not on top of US politics, are they just nominating the same dweeb over and over and nobody is voting for him? Can they pick someone less objectionable?

The short version is there is no one less objectionable to them who would want the job.

# ¿ Jan 5, 2023 07:23

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

we need an infinitely growing :discourse:

similar to the infinitely growing ironicat.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:14

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Dead Gaetz Congress

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:30

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Rigel posted:

Hey, enjoy this thread title for an hour or so, maybe, we will probably need a new thread title once this extremely stupid day is finally done, so start thinking about it now.

US House TVIV: Watch me (Whip/nay nay)

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:37

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Rigel posted:

ok, so it (probably) took this house 15 ballots to elect a speaker. Where does this rank? We know this is the dumbest house speaker vote in modern US history, but how would this vote rank in all-time old-timey US history?

This would be fifth most votes- #4 is 22, then 44.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:40

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

davecrazy posted:

What did Gaetz get? All all access pass to the local all girls high school?

If there was ever a reason or time for party leadership, or anyone else with similar motives among the Rs, to threaten to leak more incriminating information about him, this would be close to it.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:43

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

YggiDee posted:

As a non-American, I'm sorry your system is so hosed up that an extremely small minority can hold the entire House hostage. With that out of the way,

It's only possible because the margins are so close and the last ~40 years completely jettisoned even the remotest possibility of cross-aisle voting on this sort of thing.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 05:53

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:

It's very impressive that in a caucus with both the Squad, and Golden, Peltola, Cuellar; a leadership team that's completely new to leadership has managed to hold everyone together so firmly in votes and messaging with the only absence being a dude who needed surgery who still got back in time to vote. Incredible contrast to guys who've been here 2 decades and got humiliated 15 times by a gelled-up sex trafficker before surrendering completely.

To be fair it's infinitely easier in the minority, and in the House, where the other side is so transparently dysfunctional.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 06:45

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

McCloud posted:

Ok so it's procedural nonsense then, got it. But that raises a different question, won't every single donor be on the phone screaming at the republicans to get it passed? Isn't that what happened last time, the donors got pissed and their polls dropped like rocks so they gave up? Like, are they betting that the dems will fold?

Edit: Wouldn't they get hell even if they did somehow got medicare cuts? Surely that's unpopular with their own constituents?

You're correct that almost all the "smart money", including the megacorps and the industry groups, view a debt ceiling crash with horror. The concern is that a sufficient portion of the Republicans in the House (and to some degree their constituents, including a nonzero number of megadonors) are so ideologically poisoned and/or stupid and/or self-destructive that they will still try to wreck the economy. Some unevenly distributed portion of the Republican base is in a media bubble so impenetrable to reality and resistant to correction that even actions that directly harm them don't reliably or broadly cause them to change their positions.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 10:07

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Eiba posted:

So, accepting that failing to raise the debt ceiling is insane political and economic suicide... isn't the new speaker currently very beholden to the most insane and politically nihilistic wing of his party?

Like, isn't it conceivable that any last minute deal McCarthy made could have involved some variation of, "sure, I'll destroy the US and world economy for you, whatever you say, just let me win"?

Yeah, that's pretty much what it looks like. The degree to which McCarthy will be held to those promises- or that the likes of Gaetz will honor their own words- remains unclear.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 10:24

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

To re-clarify something that's come up a few times already, I don't believe we presently know that Gaetz is getting Armed Services committee chair. Rumors have spread that he's getting the chair or a subcommittee chair- but we really don't know.

# ¿ Jan 7, 2023 23:26

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# ¿ May 12, 2024 00:41

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.

Froghammer posted:

How much of that is actually going to happen

The ones involving committee investigations and the ones involving rules for the House are plausible. Anything requiring passing a law is less likely unless they can weld it to a federal must-pass bill, which appears to be a no-go unless a much larger share of the R caucus is actually in favor of it.

# ¿ Jan 8, 2023 02:47

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