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Nihonniboku posted:Apparently, everybody but Vince turned their backs on her after the season ended. They didn't like how the show portrayed Dan, and they insisted on reading a prepared statement in support of him at the reunion, which CBS obviously shut down, which is a big part of the reason why the reunion was pre-recorded, to prevent any shenanigans from the cast. All of the cast still hangs out together, including Dan, with the exception of Kellee and Vince. It's very weird and it feels like either there's Something Missing we won't find out til after NDAs expire, or the whole cast is just terrible.
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ApplesandOranges posted:It's very weird and it feels like either there's Something Missing we won't find out til after NDAs expire, or the whole cast is just terrible. To slice it a little more thinly, SOME people on the cast were pushing the statement, and Vince was the one pushing back hard against it (I'm willing to bet the producers wouldn't have let it happen anyway). It's disappointing that otherwise-decent people like Jamal didn't do more to quash it, but he may have been aware of my parenthetical. Didn't stop him from being photographed with a bunch of other people from the season out partying with Dan afterwards. I actually know Kellee a little bit IRL through my wife, but not nearly well enough to ever ask her about a subject which is clearly painful and private.
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nexous posted:Final 4 should all go to fire making. Decide 1st, 2nd,3rd, and “what show am I on again” places that way. Possibly a hunger games initial race to the fire making tools. I was thinking something like this myself. Turn the final immunity challenge into a final advantage challenge. Winner gets an advantage in fire making, then all four contestants go make fire. Say, your string is two inches lower.
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Nihonniboku posted:- Nobody from Island of the Idols if they try and disavow the season altogether for the entire cast turning on Kellee after the show aired. Or only Kellee if they want to give her another shot. Or Kellee, Karishma, Elaine, Janet, Lauren, Noura, and Dean (the cast is more memorable than I realized) if they decide to ignore everything that happened. Can anybody give more clarifying information? I remember watching that show and thinking Dan was a loving creep from it but the fact that everyone stood up for him makes me feel a big ol WTF?
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Wasn’t Dan some kind of Hollywood producer or something? That could be a very simple answer for a bunch of people who want to be stars (and probably at least a few statistically with just generally terrible morals and opinions of women). I don’t follow Survivor outside the show but I’ve seen that very common trend with Big Brother. The alumni tend to rally around the majority and the ones with some influence or momentum in the business and ostracize anyone who rocks the boat. Controversies and morals be damned.
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As far as I know, nobody in the cast has actually spoken about why they support Dan, so anything I could speculate on would be pure conjecture. Probably the same kind of reasons why historically people have defended abusers and shamed the abused for speaking out.
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I'm completely and purely speculating but I suspect that they all have a LOT of resentment about the fact that their season is easily considered the worst of all time and they're all basically ostracized from Survivor. When examining that, I think it's a lot easier for them to say "Kellee really blew things out of proportion it wasn't that bad" instead of "Wow, my reprehensible behavior on-island is a major part of why this happened."
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Aerox posted:I'm completely and purely speculating but I suspect that they all have a LOT of resentment about the fact that their season is easily considered the worst of all time and they're all basically ostracized from Survivor. Probably
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Yeah that’s definitely probably a big part of it. As I recall it wasn’t simply that Dan was a creep. It was that Kellie said he was creeping her out and they all dismissed her. So there’s a lot of blame to go around and human beings loving hate taking responsibility and saying they’re sorry. Even when they say it they expect that to be it and get mad if there’s something more instead of perfect forgiveness.
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STAC Goat posted:Yeah that’s definitely probably a big part of it. As I recall it wasn’t simply that Dan was a creep. It was that Kellie said he was creeping her out and they all dismissed her. So there’s a lot of blame to go around and human beings loving hate taking responsibility and saying they’re sorry. Even when they say it they expect that to be it and get mad if there’s something more instead of perfect forgiveness. Yeah and wasn't there a whole controversy over one of the players siding with Kellee in-game but then using that to turn votes on her? Either way, it's probably a mix of everything, but just another reason to keep that season in the garbage where it belongs.
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sleep with the vicious posted:Yeah and wasn't there a whole controversy over one of the players siding with Kellee in-game but then using that to turn votes on her? Yes, two of the women pretended to be grossed out by Dan to use it to their advantage in the game. Also, not to absolve the other cast members, but Dan is a talent agent and was exhibiting grooming behavior so it’s extremely likely he’s tried to ingratiate himself to the rest of the cast through his industry connections so that their closeness to him makes people think Kellee was blowing it out of proportion. It’s really easy to just write the cast off as lovely people but I think it vastly undersells the level of manipulation someone like Dan is capable of.
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sportsgenius86 posted:It’s really easy to just write the cast off as lovely people but I think it vastly undersells the level of manipulation someone like Dan is capable of. big why not both
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Just finished s44 tonight as part of a big group watch along ☺️ it went swell so much fun! Survivor really works as a party watch I had no idea! All these years it was just me red eyes staring at a watch series stream at 3am, or some poor girlfriend roped into watching along apologies to them all. But yeah pals in a room riffing and laughing its brilliant! What a cool cast we had for 44! Just relatively seemingly chill and good folk, for the most part. Oh and that season you are all talking about with Dan?  Literally stopped watching half way through and only really reengaged with the show this season. I know I'm not the only long time fan who stopped watching then, very sad and the production lost a lot of good will. Anyway, on to 45 soon haha!Also, just thinking about survivor Australia brain v. Brawn then heroes v. Villains as a two pack combo watch so so so 👍😊
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Lampsacus posted:Just finished s44 tonight as part of a big group watch along ☺️ it went swell so much fun! Survivor really works as a party watch I had no idea! All these years it was just me red eyes staring at a watch series stream at 3am, or some poor girlfriend roped into watching along apologies to them all. But yeah pals in a room riffing and laughing its brilliant! What a cool cast we had for 44! Just relatively seemingly chill and good folk, for the most part. You should watch season 40 when you get the chance
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Lampsacus posted:Oh and that season you are all talking about with Dan? The new seasons have been a mixed bag. On the plus side, production has listened to a lot of the criticism, and taken it into account, especially after the BLM protests. CBS now has a mandate for all reality shows that at least 50% of the cast to be people of color, and they have also been casting more LGBT casting. Both groups, typically you would get one token cast member, and that was it. It has changed dynamics on the show considerably, and they have been able to openly have conversations that in the past people would have been too scared to bring up, or actually get kicked off the show for bringing them up like Kellee. And now, 3 of the last 4 winners have been people of color, including the first gay winner in 30 seasons. On the negative, the shortened season affects the game negatively, people don't have time to relax, and everybody is all strategy all the time, so you rarely get any purely fun moments. Also, they seem to have really focused on sharing heartwarming stories of the cast's past, and how they got over personal tragedies. It's kind of tedious. And this was already a trend before season 40, but the show has started giving purple Kelly edits to basically most of the cast outside a handful of standouts in the cast. The fact that in 44, Lauren made it to the final 5, was supposedly a big threat, had a ton of friends on the jury, and had close relationships with the final 4, but she barely got any screentime at all for the entire season is crazy to me.
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Nihonniboku posted:CBS now has a mandate for all reality shows that at least 50% of the cast to be people of color, and they have also been casting more LGBT casting. I believe it's 50%+ combined POC/LGBT isn't it? It's a great policy but I think you may have overstated it (or I'm just wrong, if so someone please correct me)
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maybealabia posted:I believe it's 50%+ combined POC/LGBT isn't it? Yes, it's this, and has been positive for casting imo. Also I guess I haven't posted since finale. Very satisfying deserving winner and I hate that my girl Carolyn didn't get any votes. She was drawing dead against Yam Yam always though. The more visible player of a pair (or at least the most competent appearing player) will always receive 100% of the accolades. Mom curse strikes again ala Dawn Meehan. Already rooting for the villain guy in 45 preview though. Bring the chaos. Also, what is S39? The seasons went from 38 to 40. Please stop making up things that didn't happen.
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Give the seasons a title again, is that too much to ask? Don't think you even have to theme it further than one logo, just think of any theme or subtitle and pretend it's there for us. LA versus USA, Long Hair versus Short Hair, Americans in Fiji, former braces versus organic mouths, Shirts & Skins, or [Brains, Brawn, Beauty] or any other three characteristics can basically be applied to any casting group with how loosely they ever fit the groups.
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Studio posted:Survivor: PISS VS poo poo
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Mactors vs Gamebots Yeah a gamebot's probably gonna win, but you still get to watch a bunch of people who think they're the next Rob or Kim voted out by 23-year-old dudes named JP.
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Spokes posted:i am all in on mactors vs gamebots, gently caress it It would actually be quite interesting. Especially if idol/twist free. Dream season Edit: would be very much like last Australian season. And that was great
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Season where everyone thinks they were different kind of Milf Temptation Love Bachelor Island type reality show, right up until Jeff shows up on the outside of his chopper.
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Survivor: Debbie vs Debbie Best part is that you only need to cast one person.
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So, /r/survivor did a poll ranking their favorite winners. I disagree with a lot of them. So I threw all the winners into a preference revealer, and here is my list. Some of them I was pretty torn on. I'm surprised at my top winner. Richard Hatch Parvati Shallow Todd Herzog Sandra Diaz-Twine Heroes vs. Villains Yam Yam Arocho Sandra Diaz-Twine Pearl Islands Sophie Clarke Adam Klein Ethan Zohn Tony Vlachos Cagayan Yul Kwon Denise Stapley Natalie Anderson Jeremy Collins J.T. Thomas Tina Wesson Tom Westman Tony Vlachos Winners at War Sarah Lacina Wendell Holland Tyson Apostol Kim Spradlin Jenna Morasca John Cochran Chris Daugherty Earl Cole Aras Baskauskas Michele Fitzgerald Vecepia Towery Brian Heidik Tommy Sheehan Nick Wilson Rob Mariano Maryanne Oketch Danni Boatwright Mike Holloway Amber Brkich Bob Crowley Chris Underwood Erika Casupanan Mike Gabler Ben Driebergen Natalie White Fabio Birza Try it yourself Preference revealer
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Reddit list is whack lmao tony, blegh. and very Reddit of them to have the bottom half contain most of the women. I tried doing the comparator thing but it didn't feel fair since I couldn't really remember them or their season enough off the top to make a sensible ranking. But your list is immediately better at first glance. kinda wanna watch some of those first seasons again but if you give a mouse a cookie...
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Khanstant posted:Reddit list is whack lmao tony, blegh. and very Reddit of them to have the bottom half contain most of the women. Thanks, I don't even know if I really agree with my own list, but it's def better than reddit's list.
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njsykora posted:I liked Bob. He was definitely one of the more likable finalists, a lot of the cast didn't like Susie or Sugar. Sugar and Bob apparently got very good edits. Apparently Sugar made everybody miserable, crying everyday, and Bob was apparently quite gropey with the ladies at night.
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Nihonniboku posted:Chris Underwood come on
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Brian Heidik above like 40% of the others is certainly a choice lol
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I think my list falls apart at the top because it's too hard to variously handicap for things like 'how many times did they play' and 'how tough was the competition', but here's my BOTTOM 10. Aras Baskauskas Bob Crowley Chris Underwood Ethan Zohn Ben Driebergen Jenna Morasca Mike Gabler Adam Klein Tommy Sheehan Fabio Birza
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Pinterest Mom posted:come on Chris played a great game given the rules he was given. Edge of Extinction is a terrible twist, but he pulled off that win. Erika and Gabler are both seemingly nice people, just I liked other people's wins better. I never like Ben or his win. I always felt like production was pulling strings for him, planting idols conveniently where they knew he would find them. Natalie won because everybody hated Russel. I know there are arguments that she played a good social game, but her win is pretty invisible. Nicaragua is one of the worst seasons, and Fabio simply fell backwards into winning, probably because it was a bitter jury who was angry at Sash.
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Nihonniboku posted:Chris played a great game given the rules he was given. Edge of Extinction is a terrible twist, but he pulled off that win. I agree with all of this except the Natalie White thinking. The theme/format of her season was basically 'There is a Russell Hantz' and she found the perfect way to benefit from that, keeping him in the game and benefiting from all his backstabbing while playing good cop with the people they were voting out together.
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Tony's Cagayan win is overrated imo -- his most impressive feat was convincing Woo's dumb rear end to "fight honorably" or some poo poo and bring him to Final instead of Kass. For the rest of the game he mostly just got hella lucky finding idols, including the bullshit post-vote one that effectively made him invincible
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mp5 posted:Brian Heidik above like 40% of the others is certainly a choice lol He’s a horrible person, but honestly he played a pretty strong game IMO. I thought Tony’s Cagayan game was really sloppy, but his WaW game was impressive.
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Leatherhead posted:I think my list falls apart at the top because it's too hard to variously handicap for things like 'how many times did they play' and 'how tough was the competition', but here's my BOTTOM 10. I have a vague memory of liking Jenna but 0 details about her season. Why is she at the bottom of so many lists so far?
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