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CuddleCryptid posted:You want to have an armed revolution to get rid of guns? I think that's leaping to the most extreme possible interpretation of what they said. I agree with them to be honest. It sure appears as if the gun violence crisis--really, multiple different kinds of crises that all go back to guns--is not going to be resolved through normal political means. There will need to be, at least, sustained nationwide demonstrations on par with what we're seeing in France and Israel right now in order to even begin to move the needle.
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Mar 27, 2023 20:10
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Kalit posted:Looks like it's time, once again, to point to the example of Australia. This time with assistance from John Oliver! I have even queued up the link for the inevitable "America is different" argument: Respectfully, that is not at all convincing. It does not address the myriad systemic issues--both cultural and political--that make America a vastly different situation than Australia. As a specific example, the speed with which they passed their gun control legislation. Of course it only took a few months, Australia has a parliamentary system where a government can do poo poo like that. They don't have to worry about divided government or a filibuster (at the very least) when legislating. Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Mar 27, 2023 |
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Mar 27, 2023 20:24
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Kalit posted:
How did I do that, exactly? It's not a logical fallacy to say that the U.S. is different from Australia both socially and politically. Why is it logical to assume that something that worked in Australia will definitely work in the U.S.? Kalit posted:....how does this prevent us from passing gun control related laws? And do you think that a parliamentary system makes it impossible to have a divided government? Oh, you don't know what you're talking about. Okay, then.
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Mar 27, 2023 21:54
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PT6A posted:With all due respect, I don't think government structure is the problem, I think it's that the people who make up the government in each case are in one case, sane, and in the other case: complete loving lunatics. I would argue that how the government is structured affects who is in the government.
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Mar 27, 2023 22:11
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Kalit posted:You never answered the question and are ignoring the fact that the Australian government can have split control of the legislative branch, like they currently do. Let me rephrase my question. Why is this a derail? We're discussing a US-centered current event  The structure of our government prevents us from passing meaningful gun control legislation because it is purposefully undemocratic. It is willfully structured so that minority rule prevails. There are enough powerful, minority interests who do not want any kind of gun control legislation to pass, ever. What happened to that assault weapons ban, by the way? If you want to know how or why I've come to my position, here's a question for you: if it's so easy Australia did it, why is meaningful gun control legislation not being passed in the U.S. right now? or even since the ban was repealed? And besides, you're arguing the affirmative here. You prove your case on how it'd be so simple to do, and please be a bit more thorough in your explanation than posting a four-minute infotainment clip. PT6A posted:You can't get lunatics in a democratic government of any construction unless you have a significant number of people who are ready and willing to vote for lunatics. Yes there's gerrymandering and voter suppression, but there's also a lot of voters who are just batshit insane, and those factors are the two halves of the puzzle. I don't disagree, but I posit that our dumbfuck electoral and political systems creates the socioeconomic conditions to create the kind of batshit lunatics we're mutually discussing. I'd also say handwaving away gerrymandering and voter suppression is being too dismissive of their effects.
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Just wanted to say thanks for de-escalating and providing an actual rebuttal. I still don’t agree but this post actually gave me some things to chew over unlike the video you posted. Cheers
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Mar 28, 2023 12:12
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Gorsuch continuing to have an interesting streak of pro-Indigenous rights votes, though.
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Mar 28, 2023 15:45
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the_steve posted:Yeah, but they usually have their kids in "good" / private schools. I don’t have numbers on me but the most recent school shooting—the one kicking off this conversation—was a private religious school. So that’s at least one non-public school that got shot up. JesustheDarkLord posted:One of the kids killed in Nashville was the child of a radiologist who works with my wife. Green Hills is not a poor area Yeah I saw a video of the neighborhood the shooter—who attended the school—lived in, and it definitely appeared to be upper-middle-class. Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 13:03 on Mar 29, 2023 |
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Kamala driving past foreign judicial buildings: "I wonder if they incarcerate parents for truancy here, too?  "
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Mar 30, 2023 16:21
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lil poopendorfer posted:I’ll counter and say that the individuals in your example acted as part of a mass movement, planned and orchestrated by others. They were pawns, mere cogs in a much larger machine, and I’d venture to say that none of them would have done it if they WERE on their own Have you not experienced people flipping the gently caress out in public over extremely petty things in, say, retail or fast food settings? It’s very believable to me, unfortunately, that someone would go on a shooting rampage because Vegas wasn’t offering him the comps he thought he deserved. This doesn’t have to be twisted into some hamfisted “heh. Sheeple believing the feds  ” poo poo
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Twincityhacker posted:As for the King's cornation: the US did fight a war that told the British goverment and especially the monarchy to gently caress off forever. Like, there was a lot of garbage reasoning and bad stuff going on there, but saying no to the divine right of kings is one of the things they did do correctly. The king was already functionally a figurehead by the Revolution; the last time a monarch failed to assent to a bill passed by parliament was under Queen Anne around 70 years prior. The king was a nice stand-in for the overall government because “down with the king” is a bit easier to chew than “down with the House of Lords” or whatever and it made it possible to harness anti-Catholic sentiment for propaganda purposes: as Thomas Paine said in Common Sense (slightly paraphrased), “Monarchy is the Popery of government.” Also the Founding Fathers absolutely wanted to be the American Lords so they couldn’t go too hard rhetorically against them. You’re absolutely right about saying no to monarchy being one of the philosophically good things about the Revolution, but it wasn’t really borne out of the political reality of the day. Judgy Fucker fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Apr 1, 2023 |
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Apr 1, 2023 14:25
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TheDisreputableDog posted:I would support a constitutional amendment banning any form of jorts. "My fellow Americans, I'm pleased to tell you today that I've signed legislation that will outlaw Florida forever. We begin bombing in five minutes."
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Apr 1, 2023 23:56
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People who think bullying children and punching down on minorities and the socially vulnerable is cool and good vote at higher rates than people who don't. No, I don't have data to support that, don't ask, but based on the confluence of everything else I know about our political culture I know it to be true
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Apr 8, 2023 17:13
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Mendrian posted:Seriously. Article IV Section 4 says “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government…” And that’s it for your question.
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Apr 8, 2023 22:24
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Cimber posted:Yeah, democrats don't want to open pandora's box of ignoring rulings they don't like. Because if they do it sure as hell Republicans would. Then again, Republicans don't really seem all that concerned with norms and decorum, so they might just ignore a ruling in the future they really don't like. Yes, correct. I have mixed feelings about "ignore court rulings you don't like" but in any event the Democrats should not worry about opening that particular P-Box for fear of what the GOP might do because they're gonna do whatever the gently caress they want. It's the exact same logic with the filibuster. "We can't get rid of it, think of what the Republicans will do!" Yeah, they'll get rid of it next time they have a federal trifecta.
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Apr 10, 2023 19:42
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Crows Turn Off posted:Did they? What consequences will the Republicans face? They have to be in the same, very large room as an angry Black man But in all seriousness, none of course. That tweet earlier that said "this is the end of the Republican supermajority" was laughable. Giving these two guys a national spotlight will help their political careers, but in the long run is not going to affect the GOP one bit.
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Apr 11, 2023 15:24
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Mooseontheloose posted:Can someone more familiar with Tennessee tell us if it's possible to flip it? Places like North Carolina, Arizona, and Georgia I get because they are growing states, rapidly urbanizing or expanding. Can Tennessee be organized in any fashion outside of Memphis and Knoxville (though we should always be organizing!) I will leave fuller discussions to someone who is more familiar with Tennessee politics, but I do know Tennessee is egregiously gerrymandered both for U.S. House and it's own Assembly: U.S. House  Tennessee Senate  Tennessee House  So there'll be that to fight against.
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Apr 11, 2023 16:21
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Google Jeb Bush posted:lawns are a red herring Got data on that?
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Apr 11, 2023 21:30
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Maybe letting seven million people live in Arizona was a mistake
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Apr 11, 2023 21:38
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Gatts posted:I am going to ask a monumentally stupid question…why can’t California use ocean water and clean and filtrate the salt and stuff out? Do we not have the tech for such a thing? Maybe not for drinking but for lawns and agriculture. Desalination is really, really expensive
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Apr 12, 2023 00:01
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Gatts posted:Ah. Cost. Right. It's not a dumb question though, it definitely seems obvious. The Saudis can do desalination because they're an autocratic petrostate, California probably could afford it but with more stakeholders than just a king using money gets a lot more complicated
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Apr 12, 2023 00:07
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JesustheDarkLord posted:I've thought about it a lot and have ideas, but I really can't come up with a platform that would make the Democrats competitive in Tennessee. Making Rocky Top the national anthem?
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Apr 12, 2023 00:42
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:"I was at school out of state and never really knew about it. I wasn't exposed when it was happening, so I don't remember anything about it." seems pretty hard to square with: It is hard to square, and maybe (probably) he's full of poo poo, but human memory is a weird thing. I'm sure there's plenty of things I said and did enthusiastically and repeatedly 30 years ago that I now have no recollection of. There's also things people want to forget.
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Apr 13, 2023 15:30
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Digamma-F-Wau posted:I know Judge was buddies with John K, though last I heard of that was over half a decade ago What are John K's politics? Making gross-out, demented children's cartoons doesn't necessarily give away too much info, that could go in a few different directions
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Apr 14, 2023 22:26
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:The US has more rail than the entire EU The U.S. is also well more than twice as big as the EU in area. If you take out Alaska the US is just a hair shy of being twice as big.
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Apr 18, 2023 13:41
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Yeah, Trump's rehab cities are not at all about actually helping people experiencing homelessness, it's just this:
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Gyges posted:I guess Texas has been feeling left out of the conversation about which state is the worst. Just do what Oklahomans tried to do when the legislature put a Ten Commandments monument on its capitol grounds: erect a seven-foot tall statue to Baphomet to be put alongside it. Of course the Satan statue didn't go up because the SCOTUS ruled the Ten Commandments monument unconstitutional, but Texas is a big state and I bet you could find some Satanists willing to make up some Satanic literature to be distributed and displayed in school classrooms across the state free of charge. DarkCrawler posted:Republican supporters, to whom oppression for minorities is the main concern and political goal. Someone knows a non-wealthy Republican? Related to one? Friends with one? The reason why they are a Republican is to specifically make the life of a minority or multiple minorities bit more of a living hell, and believing anything else is a coping mechanism. It is not about making their own life easier and really never has been. This is also a reason for most of the wealthy ones but they actually benefit on a personal level as well. What data do you have to support this? Even personal anecdotes? How many Republicans do you, personally, know in real life?
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DarkCrawler posted:This data to start with: Your cited articles do not back up the claim "The reason why they are a Republican is to specifically make the life of a minority or multiple minorities bit more of a living hell...It is not about making their own life easier and really never has been." That is an egregiously spurious extrapolation of opinion polls of registered Republicans, and not "Republican supporters." I have a feeling based on your non-reply you know zero Republican voters in real life, and why would you? You live in Finland. If you actually knew the average person who votes R once every two or four years you'd know how full of poo poo you are. The vast, vast majority of people who vote in Congressional and Presidential elections don't know anything about politics. They don't know what the GOP or Democratic platforms are. They aren't thinking about how awesome it would be to keep People of Color or queer folk down. They vote based on tummyfeels or legacy bullshit like "I've voted R my whole life and I'm not about to change" or "Republicans are the business party." That's it. I've even met a person who has unironically told me they vote for the candidates who had the most yard signs they saw on the way to the polling place. You know nothing about this country and really just need to shut the gently caress up about it. Edgar Allen Ho posted:to those of us who actually have to live under republicans, grew up with republicans, grew up with literal klan kids sitting in the desk next to us at school- (I don't know of any Klan kids I sat next to but otherwise everything else is the same)
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kdrudy posted:Of course they are, then they'll reinstate it immediately and act like anyone even thinking of removing the filibuster is removing a cornerstone of democracy. Yeah, I hadn't really thought of it, but I think you're right. Kill the filibuster for two years when they next have a trifecta, then pull the ladder up behind them right before they lose the Senate and dare the decorum-poisoned Democrats to do the same as them. It's the exact same logic as McConnell refusing to hear Garland's appointment to the SCOTUS: sure, the Democrats could pull the same maneuver on us, but they won't, so why shouldn't we do this?
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Mellow Seas posted:(And no, Republicans can't just kill the filibuster and say "just kidding, it's back on" and expect Democrats to go along with that when they are back in the majority. Yes sure, "Dems are wimps" or whatever, but that's just not how politics works at all. That's not how anything works.) Why not? Do you believe Democrats would be willing to steal a SCOTUS seat like McConnell or no?
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Zophar posted:Place your bets, treason or sex pest Por que no los dos?
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Bar Ran Dun posted:My assumption regarding the avatar is that somebody used an AI generator with prompts along the lines of Chairman Xi as a Chad in Texas after I pissed them off. Sheriff Yi Hawping
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Apr 25, 2023 20:41
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Yeah the last time an incumbent VP got dropped from a ticket was 80 years ago and it was done because Wallace was too friendly with the Soviets. Kamala ain't goin' nowhere
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Apr 26, 2023 14:58
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I don't know if "not being Trump" is all that Biden has going for him. Inflation is creeping back down, and the IRA is really only starting to be implemented. We have 18 months for the economy to improve, and considering where people were in November 2020 I could see Biden pulling an inverse Reagan with a "Are you better off now than you were four years ago?" to some success Of course the economy could just as easily blow up in the next 18 months in which case, welcome back President Trump!
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I can attest to Ozempic working (I am not diabetic). It just makes you not want to eat. It's a pretty odd sensation; like, I never really feel nauseated, but it does make food seem really, really unappetizing. You eat because you know you need to and that's it.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It is supposed to last a week per dose. Do you feel like it has the same effect consistently across the entire week or does it feel like it starts fading a bit after 4 or 5 days? How long have you been taking it and did you make any major lifestyle changes in conjunction with taking it or stay more or less the same? Do you ever have any issues with not eating enough and feeling tired? The effect definitely fades over the course of the week, yes. Your body also adjusts to it so you ramp up the dosage over time (you start at .25 mL/injection, I'm about to graduate to 1 mL, I believe the max recommended is 2 mL). I've been taking it for a few months and have tried some lifestyle changes like counting points using a free dieting app, but work and kids make that stuff pretty hard sometimes. As far as feeling fatigued from not eating enough, hard to say since if I'm tired (I am, all the time) it's likely more from working two jobs and having two young kids. I really have not experienced any negative side effects from its use that I am aware of.
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TheDeadlyShoe posted:That is fair and defensible, but the jan 6 rioters being united by hating democracy doesn't proceed automatically to Murder Death Kill. It probably does seeing as, by your own admission, it was angry mob, which are not known for showing restraint. TheDeadlyShoe posted:mostly that jan 6 was more of a riot than anything, disorganized af and everyone there had their own intent. they were riding high on mob energy. so ascribing pretty much any intent to 'Them' is both possible and probably inaccurate.
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true.spoon posted:I would be interested in your replies to the points I brought up earlier: It sure reads to me like they addressed your points. It's not "dogma" to question a person's ability to think critically about how to respond to a dangerous, possibly even deadly situation, or to point out that firing "warning shots" is not safe, at all. Do you have empirical evidence that warning shots are not dangerous, or that people (even with training) can reliably shoot to disable as opposed to kill?
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OctaMurk posted:And if cops in other countries fire warning shots and kill less people, why shouldn't we at least look at if having this step in the escalation chain makes a difference or not? Do we actually have any evidence that firing warning shots kills less people? OctaMurk posted:Obviously, warning shots have some chance of killing people, but its far, far lower than shooting to kill. I could easily believe warning shots have a much lower kill rate than shots to kill for the intended target. What about bystanders? KillHour posted:Going back to the video we are talking about, that person should not have fired his gun - not warning shots, not shot to kill, nothing. You're acting as if the options there are "where do I shoot" and not "do I shoot."
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