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Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Kavros posted:

Surely that must have been hundreds of red lines crossed! russia will have to sternly assure that there will have to be a response.
The usual vague threats and foot stomping.

Russia called it a “historical mistake” and said Finland has forced it to take “counter-measures”. The ministry of foreign affairs issued this statement:

quote:

This is now a thing of the past. Finland has become one of the small members of (NATO) that doesn't decide anything, losing its special voice in international affairs. We are sure that history will judge this hasty step.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-set-join-nato-historic-shift-while-sweden-waits-2023-04-04/

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Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

I've seen a few articles, that are speculating that a counteroffensive may have begun. The biggest indicator they all point to is the sudden silence on social media especially on the southern front.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/24/europe/ukraine-counteroffensive-speculation-intl-cmd/index.html

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Somaen posted:

Counteroffensive as in probing, no mechanised movement until the mud dries probably?
I don't know. A lot of the articles suggest mechanized movement (the CNN article talks about tank tracks appearing from nowhere and disappearing into nowhere and empty fields where you expect armored vehicles) but until we actually start getting credible reports or video clips, I doubt we'll know.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

T-14 Armatas are finally being used in Ukraine, but not in direct battles.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-new-t-14-armata-battle-tank-debuts-ukraine-ria-2023-04-25/

quote:

Russia has begun using its new T-14 Armata battle tanks to fire on Ukrainian positions "but they have not yet participated in direct assault operations," the RIA state news agency reported on Tuesday, quoting a source close the matter.

RIA said that the tanks have been fitted with extra protection on their flanks and crews have undergone "combat coordination" at training grounds in Ukraine.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Google Maps has started shutting down the accounts of all the front line activity trackers. Google says they're violating their ToS by posting "dangerous or illegal content".

https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/1651137599900205058?s=20

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

EDIT: Apparently, this is just a Twitter rumour.


I’m posting this here as Swedish NATO membership has been discussed in this thread. Turkiye has elections this year, don’t they?

Erdogan seems to have had a heart attack during a live interview and isn't doing well.

https://twitter.com/s8gy2aegvrhys2q/status/1651259755472601088?s=46&t=eYnb6uC9Nqku2TRAz1AKtQ

https://twitter.com/301military/status/1651291999268421633?t=vjBp7Px9-rwu_jlv013xAQ&s=19

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Apr 26, 2023

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Brown Moses posted:

There's no serious sources reporting this claim, it's just a rumour that started on Twitter.
Ah, OK, that’s good to know. It seems to be all over Twitter.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

I thought this was neat, a Ukrainian farmer built a remote controlled mine roller using a tractor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lu6GV8BQwJs

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Ynglaur posted:

This is a great idea. If the vehicle doesn't need to be tactical, you could put enough armor on the impact point to keep the mechanicals safe, too. I wonder if we'll see drones with metal detectors or sub-surface radar slowly sweeping fields and forests in coming years. Thanks for sharing this Mr. Apollo!
In the video, the farmer said he hit an anti-tank mine with it and while the roller portion was damaged, the rest of the tractor was fine. He said they repaired the roller and went back to work.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

It looks like Russia has started bombarding Bakhmut with incendiary munitions.

https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1654560109723537408?s=20

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

It looks like they’re making a home brew BMPT Terminator.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMPT_Terminator

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Apparently the Kinzhal missile that was shot down last week was targeting missile battery that shot it down.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/12/politics/russia-patriot-missiles-ukraine/index.html

quote:

Russia tried to destroy a US-made Patriot air defense system in Ukraine last week with a hypersonic missile, two US officials told CNN.

The attack failed, and the Ukrainian military instead intercepted the missile using the Patriot system, the officials said, marking their first known successful Ukrainian use of the advanced air defense system only weeks after it arrived in country.

The Ukrainian air defenders fired multiple missiles from the Patriot at different angles to intercept the Russian missile, demonstrating how quickly they have become adept at using the powerful system, one official said.

US officials believe the Russians picked up on signals that are emitted from the Patriot, allowing them to target the system using the hypersonic missile, known as the Kinzhal or Killjoy.

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 22:12 on May 12, 2023

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Are those awards the factory was given during Soviet times? I see what looks like two Orders of Lenin and Order of the Red Banner for Labor. I'm not sure about the other two.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

ummel posted:

It's bouncing around the "latest updates" articles and such. They're probably working on a larger write up.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-05-22-23/index.html

Front page story now on CNN.

https://www.cnn.com

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

mlmp08 posted:

-Netherlands and Denmark taking lead on training Ukrainians on F-16s, and there is discussion of maybe other 4th gen aircraft. No real idea of timeline, when fielded, how many, etc. There is a LOT that goes into standing up functional fixed-wing squadrons, with a new type of aircraft.
I guess the theories about the F-15 might be right

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Charliegrs posted:

Somewhat on that topic, I wonder what things are like in areas of the US that are heavily Russian and Ukrainian? Is there any noticeable tensions?
Not the US, but in Canada, I sometimes shop at a local Central/Eastern European grocery store chain. It’s owned by Poles. At the checkouts they have little signs about donating to Ukraine and they’ve started carrying, or at least advertising more prominently, some Ukrainian foods and products but that’s about it. The customers and advertising has traditionally been mostly Polish with the rest being Ukrainian, Czech, Austrian, German, and Russian.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

I've gotten three recommended videos today on YT that claim to show Ukrainians being trained on B-52 bombers and the description says that America has announced it will be providing Ukraine with a squadron of B-52s and will be providing fighter cover for them while they go on missions.

It's just stock footage of B-52s being readied for a flight and then some footage of them flying with F-16s and F-35s.

I'm guessing this is some new disinformation story that someone is trying to push. I've never had any "fake news" stories like this recommended to me before.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Orthanc6 posted:

Yeah that doesn't make sense on any level. Even if the US could be convinced to give Ukraine B-52's, which lol considering how cagey they were about M1 Abrams and F16s, I fail to see how they could help Ukraine. The B-52 exists because the US is on the other side of a large ocean from Russia and needed a plane to carry a large load of strategic weapons into range, Ukraine doesn't have that issue. They'd be taking off and immediately be in range of Russia's air defenses. It would be a massive disadvantage cause you'd have 1 launcher carrying all that payload and likely getting shot down, instead of multiple ground launchers spreading the payload out.

But the first and final nail in the coffin to this is B-52's are part of the US's nuclear triad, and they don't make them anymore and still lack a 1-1 replacement for capability. So I strongly doubt they'd give them to any nation under even the most extreme clancy-esque circumstance.

So yeah that's a big load of dumb disinfo, I suggest being highly suspect of anything else from that source.
They were definitely pushing the nuclear angle. The video kept mentioning that they were originally designed to drop nuclear bombs on Russia and then asked "Now that the Ukrainians have bombers capable of dropping nuclear bombs on Russia, what else will the Americans give them?"

I'm just surprised to have been recommended the same disinfo campaign from 3 separate sources when I've never had anything like the recommended before. Also it's such an obvious disinfo campaign it makes me wonder who they though would fall for it. Usually they try for a "both sides" type story or take real news a tweak it or take it out of context to make it seem plausible to a casual observer.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

cr0y posted:

Is the B-52 even considered to be part of the triad anymore with the creation of the B-2 and the brand new B-21?
Not to get off topic, but apparently yes.

https://www.defense.gov/Multimedia/Experience/Americas-Nuclear-Triad/#air

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Discendo Vox posted:

Can you provide the channel names?
RealGeneration86 is the only one I still had open in a tab.

This is the video in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxlPQLN8wp0


Shifty Pony posted:

People will share stuff diametrically opposed to their beliefs. "Look at this crazy poo poo" is still spreading the crazy poo poo around where it can be encountered by people who might believe it.
I've heard people say stuff like "Yeah it sounds crazy, but if that many people are saying it, maybe there's something to it."

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

I see that #oryxpsyop is now trending on Twitter. People are calling it a psyop because there’s no way that Russia could be losing that much military equipment. It’s obviously a psyop to boost support for Ukraine to make people think they’re winning the war instead of teetering on the brink of annihilation.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Yeah that’s the thing, if Oryx was duping stuff then they would have been called out long ago. It would be easy enough to prove since there are photos to go along with the lists.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

spankmeister posted:

Somewhat relevant to the current discussion:

Meduza is a Russian oppositional publication, but even they have people in their reader base who support the war. They asked them to write in why:

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2023/06/03/the-only-thing-worse-than-war-is-losing-one

Imo, no big surprises here. A collection of the "greatest hits" of war supporters. I.e. "war bad", "russophobia", "I don't support the war but we need to win it now", "amerika did it", etc.
I liked all the “I’m from St. Petersburg and I say kill ‘em all!” replies from people who preface their reply by saying they’re against all war and bloodshed.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

A bit of a tangent, but the BitTorrent tracker RARBG shut down a few days ago and the war in Ukraine is cited as one of the reasons.

quote:

Hello guys,
We would like to inform you that we have decided to shut down our site. The past 2 years have been very difficult for us - some of the people in our team
died due to covid complications,
others still suffer the side effects of it - not being able to work at all.
Some are also fighting the war in Europe - ON BOTH SIDES.
Also, the power price increase in data centers in Europe hit us pretty hard.
Inflation makes our daily expenses impossible to bare. Therefore we can no longer run this site without massive expenses that we can no
longer cover out of pocket.
After an unanimous vote we've decided that we can no longer do it.
We are sorry :(
Bye

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Sucrose posted:

Are there still civilians living downstream of the dam, or had they already been “evacuated” by the Russians? How fast will the water rise?
I’ve seen a few posts on Telegram from Ukrainian officials says that water is “appearing in civilian centers” and that “immediate evacuation is required”.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Here's a clip from a security camera showing the moment of the explosion.

edit - Nevermind, it's an old video.

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jun 6, 2023

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

fatherboxx posted:

Please check the date of video, it took me 5 seconds to click

Meanwhile,

https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1666065790741762049?t=jJVYI3noND9ehPOjhjyiMA&s=19
Oops, I'll edit my post. I saw that linked in a bunch of tweets about the dam and just watched the embedded video and didn't check the date.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Ynglaur posted:

Twitter unresponsive. What was the content?
Weird, it now says "This page doesn't exist".

It was an arial photo showing how bad and extensive the flooding is.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

According to these tweets, the first Bradleys hit a mine field and the other ones that came after kept driving to the same spot and hitting mines.

https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1667190618248847360?s=20

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Trudeau made a surprise visit to Kyiv today.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-ukraine-visit-counteroffensive-russia-1.6871411

quote:

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau met Saturday with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy in Kyiv, where he committed $500 million in new funding for military assistance. He also announced new sanctions as the country's war with Russia continues.

quote:

The prime minister offered no details on how the new funding would be spent. However, he indicated Canada would also extend its military training mission — known as Operation Unifier — until 2026 and offered to help train Ukrainian pilots, along with other countries, on the F-16 fighter aircraft.

quote:

Also on Saturday, Canada committed $10 million in humanitarian aid and promised to redirect another previously announced $37 million toward helping Ukraine manage and recover from the effects of the breach.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Huggybear posted:

Canada never had the F-16. Unless Trudeau means Canada will contribute funding for training.
Yes, Canada has previously said that they would contribute funding and reconfigure some of their flight simulators from F/A-18 to F-16 so pilots and trainers could come to Canada to use them.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Xiahou Dun posted:

Learn something every day. Cool.

Thanks, folks.
The Russian name for the missile is Whirlwind.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Nenonen posted:

Antonov is a Ukrainian company, they will probably just offer it to Ukraine.

GhostofJohnMuir posted:

:doh: of course it is, i completely forgot all the damage their infrastructure suffered in the opening days of the war

Yes, when Trudeau announced the seizure of the plane, he said Canada was going to give it to Ukraine.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

How does the ABV place the lane markers? Are there little automated arms that come out and stick the lane markers into the ground?

edit - After some reading I see that it’s equipped with a Lane Marking System but I can’t find a description of how it works.

Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 02:20 on Jun 17, 2023

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Orthanc6 posted:

Yeah I saw a clip of a man very much resembling the guy getting killed at absolutely point-blank range in a trench. Shooter/cameraman got a very clear view of the face before shooting. If it wasn't him it was an extremely close look-alike.
Not only that, but everyone else in the trench was dressed in a uniform. That guy was in sneakers, track pants, and a sweat shirt with a vest of some sort and a helmet.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Mr. Apollo posted:

One thing I was wondering, is trench clearing pretty much "shoot anyone walking towards you?" With all the smoke and dust in the confines of the trench, it's hard to make out anything more than vague human shaped silhouette most of the time.

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

I know it's not news on the big scale but on a lighter note!- my wife's best friend's brother who lost his leg fighting for Ukraine is up to being able to sprint on a new prosthetic. Hell yeah. Not that long ago docs didn't know if he could ever even walk again.
I'm happy for him. :)

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

double post

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Prigozhin released a video today where he claims that Ukraine never shelled Donbas, only Russia has. He said the whole point of the invasion was that the oligarchs in Russia wanted to install Medvedchuk as President so they could strip Ukraine of resources and businesses. He said the oligarchs weren't just satisfied with Donbas. He goes on to say that the whole "Ukrainian Nazi" thing was made other. He asks, if it was true why did Russia exchange Medvedchuk for Azov POWs.

The whole video is about 30 minutes long and it's being posted in bits and pieces all over the place.

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672177488535977984?s=20

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

https://twitter.com/epicgopfail/status/1672443824373747712?s=46&t=eYnb6uC9Nqku2TRAz1AKtQ

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Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Shifty Pony posted:

Didn't Prigozhin recently put out a video/statement blaming the whole Ukraine mess on rich interests wanting to pillage the place? I could see him doubling down on that as a reason to pull out of the area and consolidate power.
Yes, yesterday morning.

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