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High Warlord Zog
Dec 12, 2012
Tony Gilroy blink twice if the Disney lawyer who showed you that memo has a gun to your head

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kliras
Mar 27, 2021

High Warlord Zog posted:

Tony Gilroy blink twice if the Disney lawyer who showed you that memo has a gun to your head
ON. PROGRAM.

https://twitter.com/io9/status/1654857440448634882

Pinterest Mom
Jun 9, 2009

This came up in the last strike too. The DGA has a "no-strike, no stoppage" clause in its contract, and that exposes the guild and its members to legal liability if they breach that clause. The position of both the DGA and the studios at the time was that if you were employed by a studio and not under specifically a writing contract, studios were free to demand that you do what's known as "a-h" work, even if you are a member of the WGA for work you do in other places.

quote:

For reference, the MBA defines (a)-(h) writing services as follows:

a. Cutting for time;
b. Bridging material necessitated by cutting for time;
c. Changes in technical or stage directions;
d. Assignment of lines to other existing characters occasioned by cast changes;
e. Changes necessary to obtain continuity acceptance or legal clearance;
f. Casual minor adjustments in dialogue or narration made prior to or during the period of principal photography;
g. Such changes in the course of production as are made necessary by unforeseen contingencies (e.g., the elements, accidents to performers, etc.); and
h. Instructions, directions, or suggestions, whether oral or written, made to a writer regarding story or screenplay.


The WGA's position was that members of the guild shouldn't perform those services, but WGA members employed as non-writers on their current job wouldn't be disciplined for performing that work. IDK if or how that's changed.

Notably, last time around, the DGA publicly issued a reminder to their members that they were legally obligated to keep working. They haven't done that this time around. There's a link to "Information for DGA Members Regarding the WGA Strike" on their website that may very well contain that guidance, but it's locked behind a log-in page.

Pinterest Mom fucked around with this message at 22:45 on May 6, 2023

Argyle
Jun 7, 2001

Snowy posted:

My job is about to shut down and I hope I can get by on unemployment. Good luck to the writers but this sucks. Hopefully they find quick success and my union is inspired enough to go for bigger pay raises so we aren’t falling behind actual cost of living increases every year. Just kidding, that won’t happen.

:smith: sorry, just panicking a little here right now

If you need assistance, don't hesitate to apply for the Entertainment Community Fund. The application might say something about having to work in the industry for a minimum of 5 years but go ahead and apply even if you haven't been working that long, they will be loosening their criteria during the strike.

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
from an exec prod/showrunner

https://twitter.com/magicbranch/status/1654970859059310593

e:
https://twitter.com/jonrog1/status/1654874085707640833

kliras fucked around with this message at 14:36 on May 7, 2023

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
better

https://twitter.com/THR/status/1656154515316375552

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮

NOW we're talking.

cartoons123
Nov 7, 2013
https://twitter.com/StarleeKine/status/1656392452356317187?s=20

https://twitter.com/StarleeKine/status/1656396962239848454?s=20

Looten Plunder
Jul 11, 2006
Grimey Drawer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWqW49VhBJ4

Awesome interview with David Simon from the picket line.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
The WGA negotiators put out this graphic for how much their proposed deal costs the major players:

Argyle
Jun 7, 2001

Edward Mass posted:

The WGA negotiators put out this graphic for how much their proposed deal costs the major players:



It's so little money to them and they'll fight us tooth and nail to keep every penny. Even if you look at profits instead of revenues, our demands would only take up 1.5%, maybe 2% of their profits. And that's only if we got everything we want, without negotiating! I'm sure we could meet in the middle on some numbers but there were so many points they wouldn't even negotiate with us.

Also, update from the picket lines today:
- Tons of other unions are coming out to support which is great. Saw a lot of SAG members out marching today, along with IATSE and Animation Guild.
- Directors Guild is currently negotiating. Their needs are different from ours, but we are united in pushing for wage increases to keep up with inflation (and to make up for overall pay decreases over the past decade). We're also united on the residuals front, as streaming residuals are garbage and a lot of us rely on residuals to make ends meet. I doubt they'll strike but who knows, the studios are being real pieces of poo poo this time around.
- SAG is set to begin negotiations on June 7. I could potentially see a SAG strike which would really cripple the studios. SAG is aligned with us on AI stuff -- the studios would love to crank out a dozen AI-written Thor movies starring deepfake Chris Evans. Also, actors rely on residuals even more than writers do.
- Overall, spirits are high on the picket lines. Everyone is still fired up and we are prepared for a long fight.

I have enough saved up to weather the storm but I know I'm in the minority. Already hearing about some of my friends looking for jobs at Starbucks and Costco. I'm hoping the AMPTP comes back to the table soon but I bet we're out here until July at a minimum.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
SAG/DGA and WGA all striking would basically put them over a barrel. I'm not sure how US labour law works, would there be room for joint negotiation if one of the other unions strike, over the shared concerns?

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
https://twitter.com/realMeetKevin/status/1658955546391891968?s=20

Pretty sure Tesla didn't mean to piss off the actors guild right as their about to go on strike but boy this sure does help

That's a joke, Tesla only makes decisions that are worse for everyone

edit: slightly more relevant

https://twitter.com/Bitterstaff/status/1659338758779703296?s=20

This is loving bleak

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Yeah, my first thought when I saw they were pulling basically new shows was the residuals thing. It's doing anything they can to not have to say "we were 0.00000001% less profitable this quarter" to shareholders.

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

https://twitter.com/mikescollins/status/1660357607817633798?s=46&t=_t3R3O4inwGCyXxW88QslQ

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Happy Landfill posted:

https://twitter.com/realMeetKevin/status/1658955546391891968?s=20

Pretty sure Tesla didn't mean to piss off the actors guild right as their about to go on strike but boy this sure does help
That guy is just a dumb elon dickrider who hopes to make something shiny and get on the tesla grifting payroll.

What a loving corncob. Elon would decinitely use it and not credit the maker or clear with Reynolds.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
Oh man, this rocks

https://twitter.com/WGAWest/status/1660052942983168000?s=20

Das Boo
Jun 9, 2011

There was a GHOST here.
It's gone now.
Little girl on the right center is RAGING and I love her.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



https://twitter.com/helenshang/status/1661130675964243969?s=20

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I read an interesting observation that the execs aren't hip to the fact that thanks to Twitter how much of the revolution has been televised and people see writers and assorted creatives as peoples, if nothing else to see how they dunk on the higher ups.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
https://twitter.com/JFrankensteiner/status/1661206309532848130?s=20

Feel like Martin Scorsese and Steven Speilberg aren't going to be too happy about this

And I'm sorry, the HBO Go=>HBO Max=>MAX it one of the stupidest bits of corporate micromanagement I've ever seen

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Happy Landfill posted:

https://twitter.com/JFrankensteiner/status/1661206309532848130?s=20

Feel like Martin Scorsese and Steven Speilberg aren't going to be too happy about this

They're not.

https://twitter.com/anoushasakoui/status/1661407741691449344?s=20

And Max has said they're going to fix it, calling it an "oversight". Which is obviously bullshit, but whatever.

kliras
Mar 27, 2021

Happy Landfill posted:

https://twitter.com/JFrankensteiner/status/1661206309532848130?s=20

Feel like Martin Scorsese and Steven Speilberg aren't going to be too happy about this

And I'm sorry, the HBO Go=>HBO Max=>MAX it one of the stupidest bits of corporate micromanagement I've ever seen
well it gets stupider

they lost a lot of european countries to netflix because of the insane segmentation of video available through all of these crazy services. netflix (at the time) at least felt like everyone was watching the same stuff across the world

i guess the greatest irony is that europeans finally benefit from not getting the latest from the us, which means we keep the original hbo app for now

kliras fucked around with this message at 19:20 on May 24, 2023

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
HBO Go was a slam dunk and I feel line Zaslev should be dragged to court for corporate sabotage at this point.

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
lol this loving guy

https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1661409318145490944

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse

:commissar:

Mal-3
Oct 21, 2008

:guillotine:

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
I genuinely hope Zaslev gets booed where ever he goes. For the rest of his life.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017


This is what these guys don't realize everybody can see now.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Edit: Ninja'd on the guilds forming like Voltron against the producers.

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

Hey Hey Let's Go! 喧嘩する
大切な物を protect my balls



It's a real struggle when you have to Yacht pool to the festival.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012

kliras posted:

well it gets stupider

they lost a lot of european countries to netflix because of the insane segmentation of video available through all of these crazy services. netflix (at the time) at least felt like everyone was watching the same stuff across the world

i guess the greatest irony is that europeans finally benefit from not getting the latest from the us, which means we keep the original hbo app for now

GODDAMN HBO Nordic was such a loving nightmare to use.

HBO Max is slightly better, however they just…stopped airing What We Do In The Shadows midway through the last season for two weeks, for no reason! So we were two weeks behind but don’t worry, the WWDITS social media accounts spoiled a major plot point when it aired in the US.

Hell even S1 of The Mandalorian was a loving shitshow outside of the US. We got the first season nearly a year after it aired because….????? So it was cool we could watch Baby Yoda Mania from a distance and never got to enjoy watching the show as it aired for the first season. What gets me is that ever since, it’s aired the same schedule here as the US, like I get if you had to negotiate rights for other properties outside of the US but Disney why the gently caress would you just delay your Massive IP Show a year because of it.

E: Also jazzed to see this thread!

kliras
Mar 27, 2021
before hbo max came out, the bitrate on regular hbo looked like it was 3500 or something crazy. i remember doing the trial of regular hbo, and it was basically unwatchable. i think people would watch/rip the episodes when they dropped on amazon for reasons i don't even remember

hbo are definitely ruining everything now (again), but the good days didn't last as long for many of us as some would have us think. and they still screwed up their 4:3 remasters

kliras fucked around with this message at 11:55 on May 26, 2023

Justin Credible
Aug 27, 2003

happy cat


kliras posted:

give amazon some credit, there has to be at least a little bit of money-laundering to justify this

https://twitter.com/sepinwall/status/1651596852142260224

Worth noting as well this garbage show that's likely used for corporate financial fuckery is conveniently named the same as a big financial player that had shady rear end and likely illegal stuff going on with Bezos/Amazon. Some show about nebulous shady stuff and crimes and all that.Now what happens when you search for Citadel Amazon etc?

Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan
Anyone asking why Apple and Amazon are in the media streaming business will get it wrong if they approach it from a business perspective. Prime Video was well known to be all about Bezos’ dating life, and Tim Cook loves to go to Hollywood parties. They have other sources of money, if this gets ugly the interesting play for either of them would be to stick it to the other players and sign separately, can they do that?

Ted Sarandos is the most charismatic person I’ve seen work a room in real life, and I’ve seen Obama! He spent a lot of time convincing creative people he was on their side and now he’s burning it down, which I guess makes sense as he now has All The Money and a lot of content packed away.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse

Justin Credible posted:

Worth noting as well this garbage show that's likely used for corporate financial fuckery is conveniently named the same as a big financial player that had shady rear end and likely illegal stuff going on with Bezos/Amazon. Some show about nebulous shady stuff and crimes and all that.Now what happens when you search for Citadel Amazon etc?

That's actually kind of genius. I don't like it, but it's genius

seaborgium
Aug 1, 2002

"Nothing a shitload of bleach won't fix"




Remulak posted:

They have other sources of money, if this gets ugly the interesting play for either of them would be to stick it to the other players and sign separately, can they do that?


Production companies can sign seperate from other companies. They still have to negotiate and all that, but there's nothing stopping them. That's how Letterman kept his writers during the last strike. He owned the production company for his show and the Late Late Show. They agreed to the contract way before anyone else, so their writers could go back to work just fine.

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006

Justin Credible posted:

Worth noting as well this garbage show that's likely used for corporate financial fuckery is conveniently named the same as a big financial player that had shady rear end and likely illegal stuff going on with Bezos/Amazon. Some show about nebulous shady stuff and crimes and all that.Now what happens when you search for Citadel Amazon etc?

What are you referring to ? The theories aboUT AMC?

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004


I hope the sunglasses are to hide his tear filled eyes.

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Remulak
Jun 8, 2001
I can't count to four.
Yams Fan

Pillowpants posted:

What are you referring to ? The theories aboUT AMC?

Goddamn anything about Citadel SECURITIES and related firms is page 3 on google & Duck Duck Go unless you search for that name exactly.

SEO poisoning is terrible, and aging GAI to the mix is only gonna make it worse.

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