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So it looks like the big holdouts are Netflix and Disney. Amazon and Apple probably feel the same way because they’re tech, but they have so much other revenue streams they probably don’t care either way. The remaining studios associated with AMPTP probably have way more to lose than Netflix and Disney. If I were WGA/SAG I’d try to score interim agreements with them. The AMPTP is trying to get infighting to happen on WGA/SAG side, so they may as well try the same.
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Aug 24, 2023 21:55
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Maxwell Lord posted:I know for sure it was reported that Netflix were big holdouts, at least when it came to SAG. If I recall correctly the last WGA strike ended when studios broke away to do interim deals and they all fell like dominoes not long after.
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Aug 24, 2023 22:21
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Enderzero posted:The idea that they can’t get proper residuals for streaming now seems insane because I swear I remember in 2008 that was a sticking point that the wga caved in because streaming was so new and was worth nothing - at the time. I remember South Park guys making fun of them for blocking a deal over such small potatoes. The studios — Netflix especially — are terrified of streaming numbers becoming public. They’ll proudly tout big numbers if it’s a gigantic smash hit like Wednesday, Squid Game, or Stranger Things, but beyond that they won’t. There’s only two possible reasons: 1) so many people are watching streaming that they’ll go broke paying actors residuals, and no-name actors become millionaires almost overnight, or 2) nobody is watching this poo poo and it’s all a house of cards, and investors are going to be extremely unhappy that they invested all this time and money to produce content no one is watching, and they bail. It’s fun guessing which.
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Aug 25, 2023 00:18
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I don’t know why the WGA and SAG don’t just negotiate interim agreements with the weakest members of the AMPTP and isolate the assholest assholes of the bunch.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:30
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Maxwell Lord posted:That’s why the AMPTP exists. In the 1960 WGA strike Universal made a deal first and forced the hand of the rest of the studios (and that’s why residuals exist at all), they’re not letting that happen again. But they CAN negotiate separately still. It’s pretty obvious the people in charge of the studios all hate each other so screw the AMPTP and get it over with.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:44
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VorpalBunny posted:There was an interesting interview with an indie finance guy, and he was both-sidesing the situation so hard. He claims distributors are shying away from interim-agreement projects and their "baggage". Bullshit. It depends on what the project is and who’s in it. If a big name is attached, they’ll take it. LividLiquid posted:The first one to cave might get to start making content first, but the people who make the decision will make some loving powerful enemies that day. They’re already enemies with each other. All the poo poo they do about trying to break the WGA to argue with each other is because they think these writers and actors are as scummy as they are.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:58
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Mordiceius posted:As the WGA and SAG continue stand in solidarity, it seems like the execs are starting to go feral. https://twitter.com/alexnpress/status/1697033082757419053 I’m weary of this because the studios hired a crisis PR team and the trades are the voice of the studios, so something about this story being in Deadline is so fishy to me. Don’t get me wrong, I already know they all hate each other, but I can’t help but feel this was planted to get workers guards down or something. fart blood fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Aug 31, 2023 |
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muscles like this! posted:https://deadline.com/2023/08/the-walking-dead-spinoffs-interview-with-the-vampire-to-resume-production-sag-aftra-deal-1235533050/ Little by little they chip away. This will be over sooner rather than later.
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…didn’t they just hire Molly Levinson to do crisis PR? Now they wanna spend on crisis PR for their crisis PR? These people have brainworms.
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Timby posted:Pretty much. All the networks' fall seasons were supposed to start in the next few weeks. NBC has a few shows already in the can (Quantum Leap, The Irrational, Magnum PI), but it's going to be an autumn of reruns and reality TV. Which is why they need to strike a deal NOW; they will need time to get everything up and running after the fall.
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Someone with knowledge: do you see this impacting the strike against the AMPTP at all? I presume they wouldn’t really care.
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Narcissus1916 posted:https://www.vulture.com/2023/09/2023-sag-and-wga-strike-picket-line-updates-week-9.html This number appears to be an increase from the last one I saw but I can’t find the link.
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Mordiceius posted:https://deadline.com/2023/09/writers-strike-contract-talks-latest-1235541351/ WGA and SAG should’ve tried to get them individually from the beginning.
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Genuinely shocked Drew Barrymore would do this. But I don’t think it will impact her. She knows way too many important people and she’s too connected for this to impact her. That’s probably why she doesn’t give a poo poo.
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InsensitiveSeaBass posted:Fox boss states the strike has to be settled by 10/1 to save the broadcast season. I guess there's no broadcast season then.
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Happy Landfill posted:For once, Sean Penn is not being a creep but making a perfectly valid point. Remember what the Beyond Two Souls devs did with Elliot Page's body scans That is loving reprehensible.
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“ I guess I'm somewhat optimistic that they will have a deal in October because if it goes much further than that, these studios will just write off the rest of the year and say, see you in January. And then we'll really start to get into a world of hurt because there have already been layoffs, furloughs. The economies of Los Angeles and New York are taking massive hits. The hope is that we can get something done before mid-October. If not - disaster.” Link: https://www.npr.org/2023/09/10/1198675583/differences-within-members-of-striking-groups-are-complicating-the-hollywood-str That does not sound encouraging. 
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Sep 13, 2023 23:46
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He’s right but hasn’t he done Bill’s show dozens of times?
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Sep 14, 2023 22:47
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Talks with WGA resuming next week
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kliras posted:you love to see it I guess this is why negotiations are continuing next week then?
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I saw a comment on reddit (I know) saying they wonder if they’re all pausing production because they got an inside tip the writers are gonna get offered a good deal this week anyway so may as well wait for the guild to approve it.
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VorpalBunny posted:I heard the studios are on a January production schedule, which means they don't expect anything resolved before the end of the year. If the studios are making these internal decisions, I am not confident they are offering any deals in good faith. If January is the start though, then they gotta get everyone back NOW.
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Open Source Idiom posted:That would be the sensible response, but I bet they think they can just have people film without (finalised) scripts. Consistent with their logic so far tbh. Even if the scripts aren’t final they still have to get the actors back NOW because actors need their schedules worked out. The strike didn’t just make things vanish, they will all have backlogs that need to be worked around.
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mancalamania posted:I’m glad most of those talk shows are backing down, but now I’m curious: why does it seem like there is more of an outcry against talk shows filming during this strike than last strike? Because back then the studios exposed a loophole that since the hosts also had hosting duties despite being WGA members, they should be able to do their show, but without writers. Additionally, Letterman had an interim deal with his writers through his own production company. The loophole was closed this time, and also this time WGA isn’t granting interim deals. In other news, Bill Maher is pushing the Real Time return back, and said it’s because both sides are back at the table. So yeah I think these shows all know something we don’t. Edit: clarified a comment about 2007. fart blood fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Sep 18, 2023 |
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Baronash posted:Have they explained why? If there are individual productions or companies willing to agree to your terms, what is the downside to letting them go ahead? Wouldn't that increase the pressure on the holdouts to cave, since they would be losing money while other networks or streaming services are releasing new shows and movies? I don’t have an answer for that because I’m not in the union, but IIRC in 2007 interim deals with Marvel and Lionsgate (who weren’t in AMPTP, though Marvel is now due to Disney) were a big catalyst for the strike ending, but the side effect to that was the WGA rushed to concede some things they wish they hadn’t, and they wanna hold the line more now because this strike is very very existential compared to previous ones.
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Gaz-L posted:It is a key difference between the 2 strike here, as SAG are offering interim agreements. and that has since been modified to no longer grant interim deals to any WGA covered project so those are harder to get now.
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mcmagic posted:https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1704682666778607790 Any quotes from sources to news outlets and trades are coming straight from the studios so don’t stock hope in this. It’s a tactic. Edit: but I hope they do agree on a deal today. ...! posted:Yeah, this seems like odd timing to me. I sincerely hope that they're nearing a deal (with the guild getting nearly everything they want) but for some reason this smells like AMPTP propaganda, as a pretext for trying to rile up the public when the guild "suddenly broke off communication when we were close to a deal, what greedy assholes!" I mean, it’s their only course of action if they don’t wanna give a fair deal. They know they are the bad guys here and they know they also look like the bad guys. fart blood fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Sep 21, 2023 |
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That and the studios could really use a PR win like "CEOs reach deal with writers."
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xeria posted:I've seen some writers, like David Slack, call bullshit on the part that reads if a deal isn't reached today, nothing will happen for the rest of the year because that obviously reads like the AMPTP trying to strongarm the unions yet again. They very likely are. Or the studios are just bluffing. They don’t have a whole lot else left they can really do or say.
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Argyle posted:It is kind of amazing that the AMPTP dropped millions of dollars into a crisis PR firm, and the best they can come up with is "pretend it's going well!" Because PR agencies are mostly a grift.
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Third day in a row of meeting I’d say is a good sign considering how often the writers were blown off.
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Argyle posted:I've heard everything from 2 weeks to "immediately" but that was months ago. You'd know better than me but Paramount really can't hold out much longer. If there's no deal I imagine they'd join Sony and break for their own interim deal.
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Argyle posted:Well, so much for a dramatic finish on the picket lines. We packed up at 2 PM. To quote the strike captain as we were leaving, “I hope I don’t see any of you on Monday.” Good luck. Rooting for you.
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No deal yet but they are meeting on Saturday.
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If it’s the trades, take it with a grain of salt.
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Timby posted:Again, note that Deadline, TVLine, The Hollywood Reporter and Variety are all owned by Penske Media, and they're all in the bag for the AMPTP. And the few stories that painted the CEOs of the studios in a bad light were basically only there because Carol Lombardini was pissed that she was getting thrown under the bus.
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The trade article is just the studios trying to save face and look like they got something out of this debacle.
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Happy Landfill posted:Not sure how much this had to do with the deal, but an interesting coincidence nonetheless It’s absolutely not a coincidence that the studios agreed to talk again almost immediately after news came out that this bill passed and was on Newsom’s desk.
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