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You love to see it. God drat, labor finally remembering they have capital by the short ones is a sentiment that we all need to have forty years ago, but I'll settle for now.
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Jul 12, 2023 00:47
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We already pay you too much. That's why none of you have more than a few months' savings! Wait.
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Captain Hotbutt posted:I'm in the (sadly, not unionized) VFX industry, mainly television work. Writing is at the start of the process, we're in the middle/end. thrawn527 posted:Remember when everyone was praising this guy's return to Disney like he was some great savior? Or did that not extend outside of Florida?
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Jul 13, 2023 20:18
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Pinterest Mom posted:Adding VFX artists under the same agreement would make it even harder to represent members well, because everybody's specific concerns would get further diluted. VFX artists have a lot to gain from unionisation, but just jumping into the IATSE fold seems like the wrong approach to me. Yes, it'd be nice for VFX to have their own union, but when there's an apparatus that already covers the things that they do and/or are replacing, that's the one they should be in right now. There won't be makeup artsits once, and this is not far off, you can just hit the "make everybody up properly" button. So I don't see how pitting the non-union VFX industry and artists against makeup artists, which is what is happening right now, is better than having them in the same union.
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Jul 13, 2023 22:05
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Ron. Fuckin. Perlman. Gods, he's awesome. 
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Jul 14, 2023 21:51
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The entertainment industry isn't going anywhere, y'all. We don't need to game out what a VFX artist will do when there are no more need for them, and it's weird, though unsurprising, that we can entertain this possibility at all, much less find it likelier than paying workers a living wage. Life is loving ridiculous.
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Jul 15, 2023 00:59
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Davros1 posted:You just KNOW the first thing this would be used for would be to put actressses who have "No nudity" clauses into nude scenes.
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Jul 15, 2023 18:21
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If the contract forces them to release real numbers, they gotta' release real numbers. So, yeah. I hope that happens. This "nothing has ever made any money ever and we just make movies out of looooooove" bullshit was counteracted by people taking points on the gross instead of the net, but when you don't know what the viewership numbers even are, you have zero leverage, so it would behoove the guilds to demand this poo poo. loving Star Wars still hasn't turned a profit on paper.
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Jul 17, 2023 01:53
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Edward Mass posted:That brings up a good question: how do you judge viewership for a streaming series? Minutes watched? Minutes watched per episode? Say what you will about Nielsen ratings, at least everyone agrees what it measures. They have better data than studios have literally ever had ever. This isn't a small sampling of people filling out notebooks of what they watched, representing thousands and thousands of people where ad rates (and thus, revenue) are only measured four times per year on sweeps weeks. It's actual, real data that represents exactly what people who pay for your service are paying for.
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Jul 17, 2023 02:50
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Which is precisely why the unions should be forcing them to do it. This opportunity won't come up again for at least a decade, most likely. It's time to fight for actual systemic change now that you've got the executives looking like douchebags to their real customers: investors.
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Jul 17, 2023 03:10
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Because Hulk Hogan ratted out Jesse Ventura when he was forming one in the 80s wrestling boom. Hogan is a fuckin' prick.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:They also don't consider wrestlers employees, but independent contractors instead. Allowing to skirt all sorts of labor regulations. They're locked into exclusive contracts, can't take work out of their industry without WWE taking a cut (including loving Twitch streaming,) are told how to dress when off the clock, can't take breaks or vacations, often even when injured, they have no-compete clauses in their contracts so they can't go work for competitors for a while after they get shitcanned... It's a poo poo loving industry that needs to unionize forty years ago. Edit: They pay all of their own travel expenses including flights and hotels, they rent their own cars, they're punished if they fly first class, and if you don't follow weird obtuse social rituals nobody tells them about like introducing yourself to literally everybody and shaking their hand at their first show (but like, limply. A firm handshake is not okay in wrestling at all,) and eating too much in catering is frowned upon if you're only in for one or two shows... jesus, we could be here all day. LividLiquid fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jul 20, 2023 |
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fez_machine posted:Because of Hollywood production times and schedules, plus the ability to create non-union or non-striking union (including internationally) products, a lot of the pain is in the relatively distant future. So the bosses can just put things off for a while on the hope that they can rush production to fill in the gap caused by the strike, or have enough back log just to wait 'em out. Fortunately, actors are actually important to the promotion of the shows and movies unlike writers so there's some more immediate pain coming down the pike. They've got the studios by the balls here. Not the other way around. And it's not like the old days where everybody was living high on the hog, comparably speaking, to the rest of us. Most actors and writers make less than a waiter right now. They can keep striking and probably make more. You can't wait out people who don't actually need you to survive anymore because you got so greedy that you pay less than waiting tables.
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Jul 21, 2023 02:33
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Cheesus posted:With the rumor of Max removing shows like Venture Bros, and if checking Wikipedia to see many more episodes of Righteous Gemstones before I cancel, I came across this on Valyn Hall's (Aunt Tiffany) page: Though, in this case, not the Publick.
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Jul 21, 2023 19:23
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Doesn't Neilsen track streaming now? That's enough for competitors to know what's working, even if they don't have all the data.
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Jul 22, 2023 03:40
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Hyrax Attack! posted:so guessing he had a better deal than present day writers. Those days are super over and they very much need not to be. It's not the actors' fault you're not monetizing your poo poo properly.
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Jul 23, 2023 21:32
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If that happens, it won't matter that he donated the least. He'll be able to take credit for all of it.
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Jul 25, 2023 06:09
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Granted, I'm only going by memory and anecdotal evidence here, but the last strike seemed to have a hell of a lot more "those greedy fucks" going toward the artists than the executives where said sentiment belonged, and the fact that this has changed so dramatically in the intervening years feels like a hell of a good sign that a labor rights movement could actually claw back a lot of the damage done since Reagan killed unions dead. Feels like people are just waiting for somebody to ask them to join up.
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Jul 26, 2023 01:44
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Even with the Hollywood press in the tank for them. It's bananas.
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Jul 26, 2023 20:02
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:I'm not in the industry, but it's kind of insane that animation writers weren't already part of the Writer's Guild of America, right?
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Jul 28, 2023 00:37
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That man is so good at his job.
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Jul 28, 2023 20:38
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Because vertical integration worked so loving well the last time. God dammit, I'm tired of this planet moving backwards.
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Jul 31, 2023 02:26
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Zesty posted:This would come into play in being hired for future projects, right? Is he just tanking his career here?
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I've never heard of the guy until this week and I've been on Youtube the whole time, so it hasn't pushed it on everybody.
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Vegetable posted:Tbh I don’t think the public cares about these strikes People have woken up to capitalism being bullshit in a way we've not seen in my lifetime.
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It's one of like two fields total where you can become wealthy. Every other job that'll pay you that much requires you to have already started there. That they've taken one of the only .000001% aspirational moonshots away that they were using to convince the rest of us "see? It's possible to come from nothing and get rich! Only in America!" is loving staggering. They're never satisfied with eating the whole loving pie. All they can focus on is how unfair it is that some freeloader who did all the work got the crumbs that were rightfully theirs.
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Palmtree Panic posted:Netflix renewing Glow and then cancelling it made me just kind of give up on their service.
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My favorite part about the two-day shipping is that it usually takes like six days even if you live in the same loving city as the company. But at least it's cheaper than paying for shipping on a per-item basis. But yeah, I subscribed for that and not their video, which I almost never use.
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Ironhead posted:Where are you that you find the shipping times that bad? I can get free same day shipping on alot of stuff.
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That's what it seems like to me, but we'll see what they do this go-round. They've been counting on a hell of a lot of things that haven't happened, though, so it really does feel to me like the investors have started seeing the writing on the wall. This little gambit where the studios and streamers thought they could just wait this out and the writers would starve failed to take into account that there are money people bigger than themselves to whom they must answer, and a company with no product is far less profitable than one with a union deal that wasn't everything they wanted, but still produces goods to be sold.
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I was in IATSE, but it was as a projectionist, and that job stopped being a job quite some time ago and our local was really small and powerless besides. But good news! You don't have to know poo poo or have a personal stake in anything to not side with moneygrubbing ghouls over workers!
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If they offer 4 and you ask for 6, you absolutely expected 5.
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Yep. They'd started to put whole episodes on their own websites before the last strike and getting them to pay one tiny little bit was this huge sticking point. They kept insisting that being able to watch all of LOST on the ABC website was "just for promotional purposes." The issue was largely can-kicked down the road and now here we are.
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The first one to cave might get to start making content first, but the people who make the decision will make some loving powerful enemies that day.
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I agree with you, but both in law and in social circles, the rich only face consequences when they gently caress with other rich people. Hating each other already is one thing. They're all still on the same team. To their minds, this would be somebody on their team sticking a knife in their back.
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"They're literally trying to replace workers with robots" hits loving everybody where they live, save, like, 1%ers.
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All-too-common, sadly. I'm with your dad in that I won't play ball on that poo poo and only use the real checkout lanes, but I have no illusions that it'll change a fuckin' thing aside from helping me sleep at night. I threw a big shitfit to the manager of my local grocery store when they started charging a quarter to use a shopping cart, though, because, in his words, "too many homeless people were stealing them," and I have to imagine a lot of other people did too, 'cause that policy only lasted about a month. Too bad all of America didn't throw a big fit when they started making us do the checkers' jobs, but I have a feeling the fact that we didn't and now the lines irritatingly long at every store because they only ever have like a single checker no matter how busy it is isn't a factor here. If people are gonna' keep waking up to capitalism being bullshit, as they have been in the last decade with no signs of it slowing down, it's gonna' be a bunch of little stuff like that chipping away at their dogma.
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Thou shalt not bite the hand that feeds you, said people who only fed you half of a tic tac.
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I've been saying this exact thing for five years. "At some point some bean counter will decide to bundle all this poo poo together and we'll just have cable again." I wish I could be happy about being right about a thing, but... fehhhh.
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