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Kurgarra Queen
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GunnerJ posted:

That'd make some sense but the Overmind seems to lament the Zerg being in a status of enslavement, period. In the phrase "my Zerg" you can hear an echo of the SC1 Overmind's attitude of paternal divinity. Like the vibe wasn't "they're taking my stuff," or at least it didn't seem that way to me whenever I played this.
Yeah, like….everything else, they’re basically ignoring the Overmind’s entire SC1 characterization, and the game is poorer for it.

Also hi, I recently caught up on this LP and it’s great.

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Kurgarra Queen
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Rhonne posted:

The hybrid are really disappointing. I don't like their designs that much, and the fact that they never become a full independent faction of their own makes it really hard to take them seriously as a threat.
Yeah, they’re just huge beat sticks that are trivially chumped in actual gameplay.

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Yeah, Nova is loving Gestapo and Tosh is just kinda sketchy. It’s not entirely indefensible that he’s been holding back either: he wasn’t sure he could trust Raynor, knowing him only by reputation initially. Tosh is the obvious horse to back here, at least narratively.

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Yeah, it’s like they picked and chose what to keep from Brood War: Kerrigan is Queen Bitch of the Universe, but somehow Mengsk is in charge of a cohesive Dominion very shortly after getting his poo poo pushed in by the UED and then by Queen Bitch Kerrigan. Jimmy has completely forgotten he wanted nothing more than to avenge Fenix’s death and is now openly pining for his former coworker he talked to a few times, which removes literally all the tension from Zeratul telling him Kerrigan needs to live.

Like, Brood War ends pretty unambiguously in a way that makes it hard to follow up on, but it cannot be emphasized enough that they completely dropped the ball and it’s only going to get worse.

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SIGSEGV posted:

An ennui-stricken Kerrigan who starts doing Xel'Naga archeology to push away the encroaching cobwebs sounds entertaining, you have left behind nerve centers doing reflex twitching and ordering attacks with basic Zerg while she's away, Terrans in the sector have an incomplete unification after being shattered, the UED has sent a smaller task group to investigate because they don't have many to spare, the Protoss gloriously reunited and immediately broke along other lines as soon as the need to unite fell away and have enormous thought-shadow intrusive thoughts lurking in their shared consciousness deal, revanchism, paranoia, greed for power and resources, contempt and hatred and fear, dynamic civil war inside the shared soul of the connected.

Everyone has had a good look at everyone else's stuff and integrated new tech according to their doctrine, meanwhile Xel'Naga archeology is inspiring and Kerrigan's personal experimental pack has things like hybrids reinforced with P and T tech and she's decided to give herself a few upgrades, those include looting a number of clothing shops (infinite cloaking is a handy thing), the high heels are actual shoes, she can take them off.
Hell, you could keep the part where the Overmind made Kerrigan to fight a (possible) Xel’Naga resurgence. It’s easy to hand wave as her being human i.e. not a race made by the Xel’Naga makes it harder/impossible for them to mess with her, and that the Overmind told her this: even if in reality she was probably a beta-test for an overhaul of how the Zerg work. But It was overconfident, didn’t tell her the whole plan, and didn’t count on getting killed.

So Kerrigan tries to conquer the sector in preparation, but it ends up being too costly, and she realizes the Xel’Naga are already involved (Duran), so she throws herself into researching the Xel’Naga but is struggling to control the Swarm because she was never meant to do so and the Protoss have already picked things over pretty thoroughly (yet uncritically) so she’s starting to feel hopeless and decides she might as well kill Mengsk while she can.

The Protoss, for their part, feel an increasing sense of impending doom. Some of them turn to worshipping the Xel’Naga in a way to beg their forgiveness. And Zeratul takes it upon himself to figure out what the gently caress is going on. Maybe Jimmy sees Fenix and Tassadar in a dream/drunken stupor to round things out.

Kurgarra Queen fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Sep 19, 2023

Kurgarra Queen
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This game is really dumb, but blowing poo poo up with giant robots is cool, so I think we can allow this instance of “Oops, All Plot Holes!”

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BlazetheInferno posted:

I'm pretty sure a sniper just took out that camera.

Seriously though, Mengsk seriously cracks under scrutiny here. This is a far cry from the man who was so good at keeping his cool that a Class Twelve Psionic Telepath couldn't read his true intentions.
It makes sense that he's rattled in this moment. He's probably gotten used to the press being his loyal lapdog and being universally lauded by those around him. He probably even believe(s/d) the people of the Dominion love him, and being (however briefly) disabused of those notions is incredibly upsetting for him. So he throws a tantrum and then shuts down the news.

...I actually think it's reasonably well-executed. Shame about....everything else.

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I've never seen this mission, but it feels narratively...weird. Did they expect you to not have pondered the orb crystal, or is it from some version of the game without the awful prophecy mumbo-jumbo? It's kind of too late to put the hybrid genie back in the bottle: it's already tainted by Maar's Sat AM villain antics and the wet fart of butchering infinite hybrids with dark templar.

And those are likely many players only exposure to the hybrids! But I guess that's what makes Wings of Liberty (and SC2 just in general) so frustrating: it's often easy to see how they could have done so much better.
And then you watch them choose, ad nauseam, to do worse.

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idonotlikepeas posted:

The Zerg eventually got bored of Haven and moved on, leaving it empty of all sentient life. Since then, a new batch of human colonists has arrived.
Probably gone through multiple batches, by now. But, I mean, sure: you could be attacked by Zerg and turned into a horrifying genetic monstrosity who lives only to serve the Overmind Queen of Blades, but it's the only place in the entire sector where you can afford an apartment on minimum wage!

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Ooooof, that mission is one huge nothing. It looks like it would be pretty easy even if you did it as soon as you possibly could! Kerrigan just takes a damned eternity to do anything and spends a bunch of time... channeling?
God, I hate this game sometimes!

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MagusofStars posted:

I legitimately can't tell what the designers want us to think about Valerian. What portrayal are they even going for here?

Are we supposed to think he's a manipulative genius? A naive but trustworthy idealist? An uncertain ally like Tychus or Tosh?

Because he just kind of seems like a dumbass.
Also, he kind of looks like Arthas. Like they just recycled his look, changed a few colors, adjusted a few things, called it a day.

Anyway, he's a dumb dweeb and it makes no sense for Jim to trust him, except that the plot has decided that Jim is going to work with Valerian because he cares about absolutely nothing but the former coworker he worked with for a few months years ago who later went on to murder his best friend and billions of others in cold blood.

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Xarn posted:

Yeah, this marks the point where the writers decided WoL's plot is not dumb enough yet and start really digging.
Yeah, it kind of feels obvious that this plot went through at least one major rewrite (and we know there was at least one, even). Its disparate elements just...don't mix and the campaign's structure just doesn't allow for anything to have any meaningful impacts, because they can't be sure when you would do a given mission or even *whether* you would do a given mission (like...Haven in this LP). Then they blow their cutscene load on Zeratul giving Jimmy an orb crystal *to ponder* (optionally!) and now this disjointed mess with Valerian. You can't even call back to the lovely, hamfisted prophecy because the player might not even know what the prophecy is!

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BisbyWorl posted:

In Kerrigan's defense the only specialists that cover LASIK are the protoss, and they aren't in-network.
The Zerg hope to to bring them in network soon, however!

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Omobono posted:

Mass Effect 3 was almost pulling it off, before Marauder Shields and :speculate: made everything go to poo poo.
It was not Alpha Protocol level and you could often see the stitches and the rails, but the Tuchanka sequence was almost :perfect:

(Then as said the ending happened and welp)
I legit loved that series. And I loved ME3 all the way up until the ending. The Citadel DLC is a loving riot.
And then the ending happens.

I don't think I will ever replay Mass Effect again. The ending just killed any desire I had to do so. It's written worse than anything in Wings of Liberty, and I don't say that lightly.
But don't worry, SC2 has two more shots at being worse and by God I think Blizzard did it!

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I definitely feel like SC1 and Brood War benefit immensely from a "less is more" principle: there's just a lot less writing, not so much that the writing itself is significantly better. This allows us to fill the gaps, yes, which is better than anything Blizzard would have put in the gaps.
However, I do think some of the writing that *is* there in those games works a bit better, because it's not overreaching and, importantly, the campaigns are all linear, so poo poo that happens in them actually loving matters. So much of what happens in Wings of Liberty just doesn't have any stakes because they can't be sure you'll even actually do it.

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Yup, this is the high point. A great last mission, a genuinely good plot beat with Tychus, and a painfully cliched and unsatisfying “saved the princess” moment. I didn’t even trigger that terribly dumb non-sequitor line that invalidates everything that makes Kerrigan remotely interesting as a character!
poo poo is only going to get dumber.

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Redeye Flight posted:

Yeah, it may be more than Blizzard's writers deserve, but I'm honestly willing to believe Kerrigan's fixation on Jim for reasons beyond TWOO WUV -- even if you don't include Wings of Liberty as released, or at all. Based on the information available to us from SC1 + Brood War, Jim Raynor (and possibly the Magistrate) is the only person Sarah Kerrigan's basically EVER interacted with who showed any interest in interacting with her in any way that wasn't purely manipulative, business, or strategic. It may only have been a month, but one month is more than anyone else -- the Confederacy, Mengsk, Duke, Duran, the UED, the Zerg -- gave her.

Even considering Raynor swore he'd kill her himself at the end of Brood War, that's STILL a better success rate than any of the other options. If you're looking for some kind of anchor as Sarah Kerrigan, he's basically it. Factoring in WoL's original storyline, or the SC2 release storyline, only intensifies that.
Like, Kerrigan grappling with who she is and what she wants - and whether/to what extent she was/is the Queen of Blades- is a genuinely compelling idea.
Unfortunately, this is Heart of the Swarm, rather than something that isn't written terribly. :sigh:

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Let’s get stupid! :regd08:

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Co-op looks absolutely stupid, but in a way that is both very cool and very fun.

Unlike what lies ahead, which is stupid and lame. Pretty sure the Xel'Naga left a monolith on Zerus that begins "This place is not a place of honor..."

Kurgarra Queen fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jan 30, 2024

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This is so loving dumb it’s almost funny.
Poor Abathur: a random stew of genetic material- the equivalent of a bunch of monkeys zerglings with typewriters- recreated his masterpiece but purple.

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BisbyWorl posted:

So the prophecy was all about freeing Kerrigan from the lingering touch of gender.
Maybe she's a trans woman?
Like, an incredibly dumb one, but that seems normal in the Starcraft universe.

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Kith posted:

rescuing jim raynor is one level short of being equal to the supposedly massive power boost that was being transformed into the Primal Queen Of Blades
TWUE WUV: less rewarding than bathing in random zerg goop.

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wedgekree posted:

I wanna know how in the last five years or so anyone in the Dominion is left /alive/.

Like, shouldn't the Terran population be near extinction levels even with hundreds of planets given we're seeing tens of billions of people dying?
Yeah, seriously. How big were those colony ships?

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Now for the climax that this dumb campaign deserves.
It’s going to be stupid, it’s going to be insulting, and you can bet your rear end it’s going to be unsatisfying!

I never played Legacy of the Void despite receiving it as a gift from a friend because I just couldn’t be bothered.

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Warmachine posted:

These days the words "no rush 20" in relation to Starcraft feel like the most boring thing anyone could ever come up with, but that was exclusively the world 10 year old me lived in playing Brood War.
Same. I was a bad Zerg player, but I did once plague about two dozen Battlecruisers I caught massing in no-man's land. Just one little Defiler bricking thousands upon thousands of mineral and gas investment.

The Terran player quit LOL.:zerg:

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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:

the best part is that after this mighty curb-stomp of absolute power, demonstrating nothing remains that can possibly stop the Queen of Blades reborn, you get The Next Cutscene
I've been waiting to be angry at it again this entire LP.

Because it is at once completely loving stupid and also manages to be offensive.

So, in other words, it's an absolutely perfect finale that encapsulates this entire game!

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Yup, so the artifact does what it does in Wings of Liberty because the Zerg were created by ~Xel'Naga~ and its ~mystical powers~ burns them to a crisp, for reasons. It's pretty banal and gamey, but at least logically consistent: it deinfests Kerrigan because she isn't 100% Zerg: it simply leaves the human part of her alive while killing 99% of the Zerg part.

But now Kerrigan is Primal Zerg, which we are assured is very different from the corrupt Swarm Zerg created by the Xel'Naga Amon, who was really pissed off about the Protoss or not getting invited to Numon's space barbecue or whatever, who coincidentally has been masterminding everything that has happened since while being dead.

So, logically, the Primal Queen of Blades Kerrigan should just loving no-sell the artifact, the properties of which seem unaltered (not even some throw-away line from DuranNarud, who we merked anti-climatically a half dozen missions ago) and eviscerate Mengsk while he cartoonishly jams the button over and over (see, I wrote a better stupid ending!).

But no, because this is dumb and also misogynistic, the artifact still effects Kerrigan against all reason just so Jimmy can sweep in and white-knight his TWUE WUV.:what:

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BisbyWorl posted:

Throwing him in a zerg pool they have no way of controlling at the moment seems like a good way to get Infested Tychus.
You say that like it’s a bad thing.

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