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Triikan
Feb 23, 2007
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It's amazing how many completely independent problems would immediately be solved with proper public transit and the accompanying city design

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MEIN RAVEN
Oct 7, 2008

Gutentag Mein Raven

Snuffman posted:


Sorry, this was pages ago, but this was the real lesson of covid. Climate change will kill us because if people can't wear a mask, how can you expect them to make lifestyle changes or accept that certain goods are just not going to be available anymore.

This may be a tangent, but I was watching youtube videos on touring cute tiny apartments in Japan and the host went a side-line about how he gets really really angry responses to his videos. They're totally innocuous videos but people even seeing the idea that they might have to live somewhere smaller and that this guy is trying to sell it makes some people really really angry. Hell, just look at the response to the 15-mintue cities movement.

Things are going to get loving rough and fast.

Yeah, that's the takeaway my friend and I both got from Covid. Like, there was a great come-together moment for all of....1 month? Than poo poo got real nasty real fast. Just wait until people have to fight over water. Or when tomatoes cost $15/lb. Or when meat is $25/lb. I'm not at all looking forward to the rapid deterioration of our stupid, fragile society.

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

The come together moment was genuinely nice though :unsmith:

Also the realisation that for all the normalisation of "we cannot inconvenience Business, our hands are tied" politics, no actually you can slam down on every non essential job with a week's notice and life goes on.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Triikan posted:

It's amazing how many completely independent problems would immediately be solved with proper public transit and the accompanying city design

Why do you hate freedom

Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jul 25, 2023

TrashMammal
Nov 10, 2022

went on a blind date years and years ago that was notable for two things:

first—that my date was the hottest person i have ever and will ever make out with. like a young marlon brando, except hotter

second—that towards the end of the date, said hottie asked me to blow on their dui tube. they got all pissy and weird when i laughed in their face, then threw a tantrum and went storming down the street swearing and kicking over trash cans

i’ll never stop being astonished at how angry this person was that their supernatural hotness did not make up for their drunk driving habit

MrQwerty
Apr 15, 2003

Dick Fontaine posted:

i’ll never stop being astonished at how angry this person was that their supernatural hotness did not make up for their drunk driving habit

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SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

Toxic Mental posted:

Why do you hate freedom



I live in a neighbourhood that is effectively already a "15 minute city" type of place, and it loving rules. Everything I need except a hospital and a hardware store is less than a 20 minute walk away, and then those are 15 minutes drive. I had to move away from my neighbourhood for a year, and I hated it. There was nothing but big houses for blocks.

People who believe the moronic conspiracy can shove their soccer mom SUVs up their asses.

naem
May 29, 2011

Snuffman posted:

Sorry, this was pages ago, but this was the real lesson of covid. Climate change will kill us because if people can't wear a mask, how can you expect them to make lifestyle changes or accept that certain goods are just not going to be available anymore.

This may be a tangent, but I was watching youtube videos on touring cute tiny apartments in Japan and the host went a side-line about how he gets really really angry responses to his videos. They're totally innocuous videos but people even seeing the idea that they might have to live somewhere smaller and that this guy is trying to sell it makes some people really really angry. Hell, just look at the response to the 15-mintue cities movement.

Things are going to get loving rough and fast.

I just randomly came across the exact video you mentioned, here’s a fun review of tiny japanese student apartments: https://youtu.be/M33uqNdKQFo

he mentions the angry threats viewers make to him, reacting to the idea people could live with less i guess??

Black Noise
Jan 23, 2008

WHAT UP

Bronny James had a heart attack while training and conspiracy Twitter (tinfoil and hotep twitter) is trying to blame it on the vaccine.

Triikan
Feb 23, 2007
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naem posted:

I just randomly came across the exact video you mentioned, here’s a fun review of tiny japanese student apartments: https://youtu.be/M33uqNdKQFo

he mentions the angry threats viewers make to him, reacting to the idea people could live with less i guess??

I love tiny apartments like this. Actually trying to get a zoning variance to build a couple slightly larger ones, but they're really not wanting to allow it because of parking minimums. I live in a high demand area a block away from a BRT line and they'd be perfect for a bunch of types of people. If I were to get them built, I'd probably have to build them as a two story structure with a garage under them, which would more than double the cost, and therefore more than double the rent I would have to charge. At that price, it would really only make sense to make them AirBNB rentals, and gently caress that. Oh well, guess I'll just continue not being a tiny apartment landlord.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

Black Noise posted:

Bronny James had a heart attack while training and conspiracy Twitter (tinfoil and hotep twitter) is trying to blame it on the vaccine.

Literally anyone who dies from now until all the people who ever lived during covid are going to be blamed on vaccines.

Suicide? Vaccine made him depressed and do it.

Car crash? Vaccine gave him brain fog and impaired his senses.

Struck by lightning? Vaccine micrometals.

Mordibly obese catturd2-esque chud anti-vaxxer dies of heart attack? Someone must have put it in his coffee.

Welcome to the new normal ya loving bozos.

Poohs Packin
Jan 13, 2019

Triikan posted:

It's amazing how many completely independent problems would immediately be solved with proper public transit and the accompanying city design

Become an Urban Planner.

Private Cumshoe
Feb 15, 2019

AAAAAAAGAGHAAHGGAH

Edmund Sparkler posted:

The more I think about it, the more I think that ignition interlocks should be required safety equipment on all vehicles. They can be defeated but I think overall, they would save a lot of lives just like seatbelts and airbags do. That and planning city development to include robust public transportation and cutting back on sprawl.

But in the end, it will never happen because :capitalism:.

yeah and not everyone wants to suck a car cock simply because drunk assholes exist

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Toxic Mental posted:

Literally anyone who dies from now until all the people who ever lived during covid are going to be blamed on vaccines.

Suicide? Vaccine made him depressed and do it.

Car crash? Vaccine gave him brain fog and impaired his senses.

Struck by lightning? Vaccine micrometals.

Mordibly obese catturd2-esque chud anti-vaxxer dies of heart attack? Someone must have put it in his coffee.

Welcome to the new normal ya loving bozos.

Gunshot? Silenced because they knew too much about THE TRUTH

wilfredmerriweathr
Jul 11, 2005

naem posted:

I just randomly came across the exact video you mentioned, here’s a fun review of tiny japanese student apartments: https://youtu.be/M33uqNdKQFo

he mentions the angry threats viewers make to him, reacting to the idea people could live with less i guess??

This is crazy because I watched that video a few days ago and i just assumed it was this guy's videos the poster was referring to, without checking the comments or anything


That first apartment rules btw

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

Tiny apartments are awesome. I like cozy little spaces, loft beds are fun, and they take so little time to clean. I stayed in a micro apartment in Tokyo last time I was there and I didn't want to leave.

Toxic Mental
Jun 1, 2019

I lived in one in central Tokyo for 5 years, including six months with my now-wife.

I assure you that it does not own.

My first one was a loft and loft beds loving blow, eventually I just started sleeping in the floor of the kitchenette because climbing down a ladder every morning sucks rear end. God help you if you sit up too fast or have a person above your apartment who stomps around.

Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jul 26, 2023

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own

Toxic Mental posted:

Literally anyone who dies from now until all the people who ever lived during covid are going to be blamed on vaccines.

Suicide? Vaccine made him depressed and do it.

Car crash? Vaccine gave him brain fog and impaired his senses.

Struck by lightning? Vaccine micrometals.

Mordibly obese catturd2-esque chud anti-vaxxer dies of heart attack? Someone must have put it in his coffee.

Welcome to the new normal ya loving bozos.

I once saw a retweet of an escort on Twitter who said that she would stop taking vaccinated clients because their "shedding" was making her sick.

Incredible.

So the pandemic has turned my dad from a somewhat conservative immigrant guy to a full blown small business tyrant libertarian. Opposes vaccine mandates, wants to move out of a California due to regulations and taxes (the way he runs the family business is a little shady), believes that immigrants should come here legally (nevermind that my mom and him crossed the Mexican border without papers).

He had a LOT of free time during the pandemic and he disappeared into the Facebook/Youtube conspiracy hole. It's like the Leopards eating Faces party meme was made for him.

Many such cases.

Gravid Topiary
Feb 16, 2012

SulfurMonoxideCute posted:

Tiny apartments are awesome. I like cozy little spaces, loft beds are fun, and they take so little time to clean. I stayed in a micro apartment in Tokyo last time I was there and I didn't want to leave.

tiny places are bad because there's nowhere to escape the evidence of your own constant failures

this may also be because i'm currently living in an old RV though

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.
First thing for me was my job. I was a computer toucher for a company that sells yachts. Not emergency water vehicles. Not fishing boats that people use to make a living. Toys for rich, typically white, entitled cocksuckers to play with. Let's ignore the fact that the owners and probably the entire board were heavy Trumpers, though it didn't help. So, I'm not exactly an "essential" worker. Tough poo poo, apparently. I was called by my boss to make my way to the office and grab equipment to get things set up so the accounting people can commute 30+ miles to a secondary location, where they can be spaced out 6ft apart. Isn't that the situation they are currently in? gently caress you. No. Can't they work remotely from home? No, they aren't smart enough to figure that out, and even if they were, we don't want them to get used to the idea of working out of the office. Fine. I'm not going to win this argument. I head off to work.

Now, keep in mind that this office was located in basically a state run park off the coast of Lake Michigan, and inside the boundaries of a Marina that the company did not own. In an attempt to get in to the office, there was a police barricade blocking the road. I called my boss saying, hey, the road is blocked, what exactly the gently caress did you expect me to do. He expected me to move the barricade, and then keep driving in to the office. What if a cop sees me and stops me. Tell him your essential. I should have quit then and there, but there was no indication as to what the gently caress was happening, and I was way too paranoid about not being able to find other work. Took me two more years to find another job.

In addition to that, I lost my best friend of 25+ years thanks to COVID brain worms. Honestly it was probably going to happen anyway as he was turning chuddy since he was an adult. And we were really tight. He was totally ride or die, if you needed him to do whatever, he would be there as fast as humanly possible. Moving, money, an extra set of hands, however he could be helpful he was there. And then COVID came and we didn't get to see each other much. Then the vaccines came and he decided to not get one and not make his family get them either. He has 2 kids, and his wife is a teacher.

I asked if he was not getting the vaccine because of religious reasons (Not my bag, but it would be something). Nope. I asked if he had been getting his kids vaccinated against other viruses. Yup. So what was different about this one? "It's not safe". Hell of a lot loving safer than getting COVID. "It's not been tested". 8 billion people are lining up to get it. It's as tested as it's going to get. No one is growing a third arm out of their forehead. "I just don't trust it." Well, too loving bad. I'm so glad that you think your freedom takes precedence over my immunocompromised wife's life.

So yeah, I'm probably broken as well.

Fighting Elegy
Jan 2, 2007
I do not masturbate; I FIGHT!
I had a friend who moved towards 4chanism and transphobia (and magick too, like trying to do real spells I guess?) way before covid, but it definitely broke his brain further. He posts a lot of stuff about liberals and vaccinated people's wives having boyfriends named Jamal and Tyrone.

I saw recently he was talking about how Haiti and Nigeria had lower deaths despite not being as vaccinated as the US.

If it was a few years ago, he would have looked at the statistics and used his racism/stereotypes to figure out that it was related to old people not living as long and people having kids younger in that part of the world. Probably would have thought about how lack of reporting in more remote could affect it too.

The racism would have probably gotten him closer to the truth, even though it's still stupid and bad. Now it's even stupider.

Treecko
Apr 23, 2008

The Official Demon Girl
Boss of 2022!
When the vaccine first came out I got the J&J one before they pulled it.

Drove my buddy who doesn't drive with me because he wanted it too.

I did have some pretty severe chills that night, hot/cold flashes and some bad arm pain, but that's how I knew it WAS working.

He didn't have any effects that I know of but guess what? Neither of us have caught covid and we made jokes asking where our free 5G was the next morning.

We also got 50 bucks from our employer

N. Senada
May 17, 2011

My kidneys are busted
You got 50 bucks? I didn’t get poo poo

Treecko
Apr 23, 2008

The Official Demon Girl
Boss of 2022!
Sure did!

CzarChasm
Mar 14, 2009

I don't like it when you're watching me eat.

Treecko posted:

When the vaccine first came out I got the J&J one before they pulled it.

Drove my buddy who doesn't drive with me because he wanted it too.

I did have some pretty severe chills that night, hot/cold flashes and some bad arm pain, but that's how I knew it WAS working.

I had covid before the shot came out. Fairly mild but went through a few weeks of fever, chills, aches - basic stuff.

A few months later I got the J&J shot, and for the next day or so I got all the symptoms, but it was like going through it in fast forward.

Sierra Nevadan
Nov 1, 2010

MrQwerty posted:

Some of them make you blow-suck-blow, some of them make you hum while you blow, most of them make you randomly retest while you're driving in traffic. If you have enough DWIs or get caught having someone else blow here they can mandate you a super-expensive one that has a selfie camera installed in your car. All of this is a constant drain on your battery, too, and disconnecting the battery from them can immobilize the car.

I knew a chick that had a regular one and she forgot the perfume rule and had to call in to work in order to go pay $80 at a lab to take an ETG so her PO didn't throw her in jail for a week. Again, the sentiment behind having them as standard equipment is understandable and good, but they're not actually a device you want to interact with on a daily basis under any circumstances, which is part of the point.

Yea, they really suck. I used hand sanitizer after filling up my gas tank when I first got the interlock. There goes $80.

I wasn't even charged with a DUI, but that was my punishment for sleeping in my car while intoxicated.

Treecko
Apr 23, 2008

The Official Demon Girl
Boss of 2022!
And maybe that's what it was? It was before things like test kits were available at every store.

I studied alot about viruses and animal transmission ect waaaay before covid so I already knew to keep my distance, wash my hands after I cough, yawn, rub my eyes or whatever.

But that doesn't stop customers from giving you thier nasty dollar bills and shoving it in your face screaming about how it's just as good as gold.

Or the co-worker night next to you whole declines to do it at least for the 50 bucks, then gets right in your face about how it's all a conspiracy.

It's very possible I had it before I knew it but I did try my damndest to protect the people around me I actually cared about

Treecko
Apr 23, 2008

The Official Demon Girl
Boss of 2022!
Also we work in food, man, you should be washing your hands more anyway.

Don't bitch to me about losing your house and you won't even take a free 50 bucks to keep others safe.

Ariza
Feb 8, 2006
I'm so glad my almost 70 year old Dad has degrees in chemistry and pharmacy and a friendly demeanor. I don't have anywhere close to the knowledge or patience he had to make sure everyone he cares about got that vaccine (and most vaccines). I think my Facebook loving Mom would've been tricked, like she is with other things from her Midwestern friends.

I caught it before the vaccine came out and it wasn't too bad, except for one day when I was certain my heart was going to explode. It was easily the most intense chest pain I've ever felt.

naem
May 29, 2011

I heard through the grapevine that HR had to let a guy go at a former employer when he refused to mask, even when his wife tested positive

he had to be physically barred from entering the building, then every attempt to communicate with him for work reasons when wfh lead to screaming vax tirades, then when he was finally termed by zoom call for being a crazy a-hole he apparently started throwing things and disrobing

Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
Disrobing? Flair?

Okuteru
Nov 10, 2007

Choose this life you're on your own
The lockdowns in China did break some brains out there. I wasn't in Shanghai, but those lockdowns last spring could have been better. The government dragged it's feet on food distribution and they could have used that time to vaccinate their citizens or implement HEPA filtration in public places, but no.

One effect of the lockdowns, anti mask and "Immunity Debt" theories, from what I see, have a stronger hold in China than in the US. Hell, a Shanghai Daily reporter posted that flawed cockrane review on masks.

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

MEIN RAVEN posted:

Yeah, that's the takeaway my friend and I both got from Covid. Like, there was a great come-together moment for all of....1 month? Than poo poo got real nasty real fast. Just wait until people have to fight over water. Or when tomatoes cost $15/lb. Or when meat is $25/lb. I'm not at all looking forward to the rapid deterioration of our stupid, fragile society.

Meat will never cost $25/lb. Not when there's more guns than people and those guns-having people would rather not ask.

Also the rampant deer/hog populations, but even that would put the worst cuts near $20.

Sierra Nevadan posted:

Yea, they really suck. I used hand sanitizer after filling up my gas tank when I first got the interlock. There goes $80.

I wasn't even charged with a DUI, but that was my punishment for sleeping in my car while intoxicated.

That sucks and I'm sorry to hear it.

Police will absolutely ream you through the wringer if you're in the cab with a key to the car--intending to drive or not. I've heard quite a few stories of military types smashing the rear passenger corner window and using a wire hanger to get their keys out the ignition from outside their cars to avoid the cops who are right there watching the whole thing go down.

Two creative solutions I've heard are rolling the car onto your key and parking on it, and putting your key in the gas hatch, neither of which are considered "in the cab." Putting it in the trunk is iffy, but a reasonable alternative if you don't allow a search.

digitalist
Nov 17, 2000

Qu’elle soit extra ou ordinaire
Chaque vie finit d'la même manière
C'est la seule justice sur la Terre
Tous égaux dans le cimetière


Mistle posted:

Two creative solutions I've heard are rolling the car onto your key and parking on it, and putting your key in the gas hatch, neither of which are considered "in the cab." Putting it in the trunk is iffy, but a reasonable alternative if you don't allow a search.

My dad told me something similar when I started driving, throw the keys under the car or put them in a nearby bush and claim to any inquiring cops that I had lost them.

Triikan
Feb 23, 2007
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Mistle posted:

Meat will never cost $25/lb. Not when there's more guns than people and those guns-having people would rather not ask.

Also the rampant deer/hog populations, but even that would put the worst cuts near $20.


We eat something like 35 million cows a year. There's coincidentally an estimated 35 million deer in the US. A deer weighs like 1/10th as much as a cow. With those numbers, there's not enough deer to put a dent in meat prices for even a year even if you hunt them to extinction. Adding 10 million wild boars to the number doesn't really change things.

Also, when I read your first sentence I thought you meant the people with guns were going to start hunting people for some reason. That'd probably work for a while.

DickParasite
Dec 2, 2004


Slippery Tilde
A lot of Americans would rather half the world (or more) die from climate change than give up eating meat.

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

DickParasite posted:

A lot of Americans would rather half the world (or more) die from climate change than give up eating meat.
or drive cars

Nice Tuckpointing!
Nov 3, 2005

MEIN RAVEN posted:

Yeah, that's the takeaway my friend and I both got from Covid. Like, there was a great come-together moment for all of....1 month? Than poo poo got real nasty real fast. Just wait until people have to fight over water. Or when tomatoes cost $15/lb. Or when meat is $25/lb. I'm not at all looking forward to the rapid deterioration of our stupid, fragile society.

April 2020 was the first time the sentiments on r/collapse didn't feel like doomer hyperbole to me anymore. The covid threat was so blunt and the measures needed pretty clear-cut compared to most crises, and still businesses and their talking heads were squawking about how they are the special boy who shouldn't have to follow the rules. All of them. And a voice popped in my head: We are so hosed regarding climate change.

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

Triikan posted:

Also, when I read your first sentence I thought you meant the people with guns were going to start hunting people for some reason. That'd probably work for a while.

That was purposefully implied. As an American, I wouldn't put it past other Americans.

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Cowslips Warren
Oct 29, 2005

What use had they for tricks and cunning, living in the enemy's warren and paying his price?

Grimey Drawer
There was a dude I worked with who was hardcore Trump, and when Covid had barely started, about January/Feb of 2020, the dude wore a gas mask. A literal loving gas mask, when people mostly hadn't even heard of masking yet. So you see this dude walk in a store with a gas mask, and he is the only one in a mask at all, I am surprised the fucker didn't get shot.

He ended up being let go because once mask mandates were a thing, he refused to wear any, and when a customer asked him to please mask when delivering medical equipment, he started screaming at the customer about his rights.

As for hunting Americans, I wonder, if you got the 5G CovID vaccine, think they'd still eat you because what if the poo poo passes through the meat? You gotta soak the meat in Covid water to neutralize it?

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