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ThinkTank posted:

No tagline could more accurately sum up my Canucks fan experience

goddamn lol. I’m so sorry. “CMONNNNNN! let’s GOOOOOO” for a team perpetually in ninth stuck in a non-rebuild non-contending phase is so grim

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Koopa Kid posted:

I will say, Reaves isn’t good at hockey but he’s not worse at it than the grit ‘n sandpaper guys that Dubas stapled to the team in past seasons. He might even be better in that he can actually do the “job” he’s supposed to (boarding people, getting away with it and fighting about it after) better than Simmonds or Clifford could

he’s old enough and beloved enough by even the refs that he can still get away with some real borderline poo poo. there’s some value there

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WeaponX posted:



Cuylle jumping up to the 3rd line is cool. Kakko and Laf are where they should be. I’m sure none of this will last but let’s see

seems cool. first line is gonna rule. second line who knows. hope Laf has some jump in his step and Chytil keeps his steady good progression. third line is very strange. fourth line seems cool, but Vesey was a very good 5v5 player for most of last season. i wouldn't be surprised if him and/or Pitlick get time on the second line if Laf doesn't work out. Pitlick seemed to have some good wheels and Panarin likes little forechecking guys so he can be lazy. I actually think Panarin-Trocheck-Wheeler could be good if Panarin likes playing catch with Wheeler as much as he did Strome. And Trocheck can try to just dig.

but I'm guessing we'll see all of that at some point this season. The defense looks great, especially if Trouba can rebound into not too much of a possession sink!

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Blackbelt Bobman posted:

https://twitter.com/buffalosabres/status/1712483746635497855?s=46&t=ZmcWuigp8va-srUE4rOQ8Q

Henri Jokiharju’s pick is outstanding. Also lmao Jeff Skinner

Dylan Cozens picking White Horse is also amazing

S-Tier Picks:
Land of 1000 Dances
Rasputin (what part would they play though?? the chorus?)
Freed From Desire (is he trying to do Peterka's On Fire, Your Defense Is Terrified like the soccer chant?)

the rest of em are whatever IMO. a goal song should be maximally tilting to the other team. the Preds have the best one. Chelsea Dagger is maddening when the Hawks were good. Edmonton's is very funny to hear over and over. Minnesota's got a good one that would be sickening if they were a real high scoring team. The dynasty Devils having the biggest moron on the planet doing their goal horn and then playing The Hey Song was an all-timer. The Islanders song could be better but they have one of the best all around sequences. The Rangers' seems to drive people nuts.

the real tragedy is that the Sharks could have had by far and away the best goal song of all time. this would have ruined opposing teams, but they didn't pick it for some reason.

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CBJSprague24 posted:

https://twitter.com/mark_scheig/status/1712564790428582367

Fuckin' look at that drip. Simultaneously horrid and beautiful.

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rex rabidorum vires posted:

The Rangers never became less evil hth

absolutely. we’re very much an evil thing until you remember New Jersey and Long Island exist. then we’re just better in comparison

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Matt Zerella posted:

The whole line was incredible. Gallant was a moron for keeping Chytil at 2C for less than 5 seconds all year.

https://twitter.com/HockeyStatMiner/status/1712644593387262041?s=20



seems like maybe we shoulda tried that more.

but really, it was a great effort by everyone from top to bottom. i said it in the thread, but if this is representative of Lavi's system (flying the defensemen constantly, first 3 up no matter what, long cross ice passes through the neutral zone, aggressive forecheck in the offensive zone and then a very structured 1-3-1 if it doesn't look good)...it's a good fit for the team. Cuylle played so well defensively, would have been impressive even for a vet. That would be a cool surprise if he has that consistently.

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Levitate posted:

Also, dang I just continue to be impressed with how Kreider basically re-made his game from being "that fast guy who looks for home run passes" to "net front guy who relies on smarts and hand-eye coordination to score most of his goals"

OldSenileGuy posted:

yeah - I always felt that tipping in goals wasn't really a skill, it was more of a "put your stick in the shooting lane and hope for the best" move

Kreider has disabused me of that notion

what’s fascinating to me is how much of a set play kinda guy he is. he’s always been a super smart guy, but most of his rush goals blitzing by people have been off of set plays that he clearly plans and practices with guys in advance. it makes the net front power play part of his game make a lot more sense, because that’s can be all study and strategy, which it 100% is for him.

he scores or helps pretty much all of the same 4-5 different types of goals where he’s doing his thing. the goal last night on the tip, I’ve seen him score that exact same one like twenty times. he’s moving to the RW side of the goalie and deliberately tipping the puck with the shaft of his stick if it’s a high shot. he is the only one that I’ve personally ever seen be near Crosby level in terms of redirection, but Crosby’s is way more inventive and less strategical.

it helps explain why he’s so good with Fox and Panarin on the powerplay, because they just process the game so much faster than anyone else, but they know exactly where he’s going to be when they have it. he’s really almost never improvising on there unlike Bread, who only gets truly excited when he can score/assist in some new silly way.

I need to find videos of this, but it was really funny a couple of years ago where Zibanejad scored like…15 goals on the powerplay where he would get the puck on his off side, Kreider would stand in “bad” screening position covering the very LW side of the net, the goalie would very easily move their head over to the RW side of the net to see around Kreid, Zibanejad would aim for the top LW corner, Kreider would just move out of the way for an easy goal.

i 100% believe it led to him getting 52 goals the next year because coaches must have freaked out at it so bad that they committed so hard on Zibanejad that he got like 30 easy backdoor tap-ins.

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Levitate posted:

I mean he'd probably have scored 45 or something last year if he got some puck luck on the power play

He's very hard to stop in front of the net because he's not giving goalies and defensemen just one look, and yeah it's a very analytical approach but also very good feel for how to apply it. Of course having Zibanejad, Panarin, and Fox feeding pucks towards the net helps a great deal as well.

one magic trick to always score short side with a sniper. screen top left, have sniper pick top left, move out of way, infinite profit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt-293NW9w8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrVr6ZY-iEo&t=135s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ1IoGQg3IQ&t=467s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RstVbtiHvYU&t=382s

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CBJSprague24 posted:

Gord digging through the rulebook to find a loophole in the NHL's crippling incompetence in TYOOL 2023 makes him even better people than usual.

pride tape is cool and all but I'm surprised Dubas or someone isn't instructing all of his players to tape up their sticks with dazzle camouflage or something:

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mcmagic posted:

The more he's on the ice the more goals the Rangers are going to give up and I'm fine with that. If you want to play a guy who absolutely sucks because of old school stupidity that doesn't even really work in 2023, go for it.

i know Devils fans don’t watch when their team’s not good but did you see the Pens series a couple of years ago?? he turned that series around with a few bumps and bruises

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the vibes in the entirety of Alberta must have been dismal last night. dual 3-0 losses on home ice. the Oilers fans were booing and I flip over to the Flames and they’re also booing.

fancystats say that the Oilers played alright…but I don’t really believe it. They kinda look listless. Although Quick was as dialed in last night as like any goalie I’ve ever seen. just made everything look easy. Skinner also had a good game, kept the Oilers in it for a while.

Rangers looking good! their fourth line is getting a bit caved, but their top three lines look good, and I can’t even loving tell you how much of a difference it is having an actual defenseman like Gustafsson on the third pair compared to Nemeth/Hajek/Harpur/Mikkola even. Best game that Wheeler played last night, too. He has no points (should have had his first but it was disallowed) but that line has been great.

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OldSenileGuy posted:

The Rangers last two games, they went into the third period with a lead, then spent nearly the entirety of the third period pinned in their own zone and gave up zero goals. Normally I'd say "yeah they were turtling" but it looked like they wanted to keep the pressure on and couldn't. But zero GA. I can't tell if this means their defense is really good or if they've been lucky.

Oilers looked like they were playing out the motions and didn't wanna expend that much energy to come back from 3-0. They didn't get a ton. Flames just looked like they have zero talent. Also didn't get a ton. I think it's natural to kinda shell up and get caved in a little while limiting as much as you can. That's just score effects...it's a long season. I've been really happy with every game so far except for the Nashville game, really. But even in that one, that was kinda weird because of all the disallowed goals. It coulda been 3-1 in the first.

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more importantly:

https://twitter.com/heatdaddy69420/status/1717979978246271305?s=20

god drat I want him for the fourth line if hips are okay and he's cheap. I'm shocked that he only went a little bit racist with the costume despite being a hockey player and Scandinavian.

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on one hand, Hischier probably comes from Nazi gold and money laundering money. on the same hand, he plays for the Devils. also on the same hand, Hischier had plenty of time and saw Clifton, so Clifton probably expected for Hischier to do the bare minimum of protecting himself and get his shoulder up. so I’m not sure how to feel about this one.

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Panarin is back baby. he made right with Putin, got access to some of Ovie's super steroids, and he looks rejuvenated, playing wonderfully.

maybe he just needs a stern, serious coach. He did great under Q and Torts and Quinn but then couldn't get right under Gallant. Lavi might be a good fit for that alone.

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Jovial Cow posted:

I have no stats to back this up, but it certainly seems like a substantial amount of the Rangers goal scoring is not at 5v5, so when the playoffs roll around and no one gets called for anything I’m not sure Panarin’s impact doesn’t fade.

His first two seasons here, he was actually quite sick at 5v5 playing with Strome-Fast and Strome-Blackwell.

I have a theory on this around "levels", though. Basically, I think three things can elevate a player to another "level":

--chemistry with a great player (the Chris Kunitz/Rob Brown/Craig Conroy/Ryan Strome)
--a great coach that you're a systems fit for (anyone on the current Islanders or really most Lamoriello teams. a lot of Carolina players now IMO)
--consistently working hard for whatever reason (contract year. just signed a big contract. just who you are, talent aside. Vincent Trocheck / Barclay Goodrow.)
--playing in the playoffs

The problem is: if you're in one of those first three categories, it's ultra-rare to be able to reach another level in the playoffs past that. So when Panarin goes into the playoffs with Strome/Fast, he's able to reach another level...but where the hell are Strome/Fast gonna go? They're already playing above their heads. And now everyone else has picked it up a notch. So Panarin, Strome, and Fast all look worse. Or last year, when he was trying to drag Trocheck and busted rear end Kane up the ice. I like Trocheck, but he grinds so much that he doesn't really have any extra to give come playoff time. Kane did, but his extra was "my hip works a little" from "my hip don't work at all RIP".

There are fewer penalties in the playoffs, but there's also more chaos, and Panarin does his best work in chaos because he's able to process so much quicker than most players. I think a lot of it is that he's been carrying a lot of weight. Chytil and Lafreniere, if the line stays together, have room to grow in the playoffs. So he might look better if only because his linemates are also rising to the occasion instead of being stagnant.

Side note that this is also why I'm generally skeptical whenever a coach has a team busting their rear end and working hard all year like the current Hurricanes or last year's Bruins or any Jacques Lemaire Wild team or Dave Tippett Arizona teams. They look great in the regular season when most teams aren't at their peak. But they often don't have another level to get to, and teams catch up.

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Pettersson does look sick this year. Playing with a lot of jam. I do worry that he's almost playing too chippy/dirty, but there's not many guys left in the league to stop a bully. I would be a bit cautious on that though. I also worry because he's playing like he's always wanted to be a New York Ranger for like 15 million a year as the cap goes up. Needs to stay healthy and lose more hair if he wants that

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Diet Crack posted:

Jfresh posted: "Did not have them pegged for powerplay merchant"

Uh... The gently caress did you think was going to be the case?

the PRIMA Strategy Guide hosed it up. they have them listed as mostly an herbs and potions merchant

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Benning certainly feels like the right answer. But I think some of that is whiplash from the Canucks being like top of the league great for the first time ever prior to his hiring. I remember most people on the forums fawned over Gillis. He was one of the early analytics guys. He was early on building mostly for speed and skill and pro-Euro. He was hyper diligent about cap strategy. He hired like sleep specialists and body trackers and performance people early. Then the Cup loss happened, everyone in and around Vancouver lost their mind, and Benning did a masterclass in how to incompetently run a team.

So yeah he’s bad, but guys like Fletcher and Hextall and Dorion and Chiarelli and others are probably on the same level

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I’m not sure if they’re ever going to actually lose a pick. Remember that the Devils cheated and were supposed to lose a first round pick over their choice of four years:

https://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/devils-kovalchuk-penalty-reduced-get-first-round-pick-back/amp/

They should have picked 10th that year and the NHL made em pick 30th, so still a punishment along with the fine. But I wouldn’t be surprised if the Sens elect to not forfeit it for a few years and the NHL modifies it similarly.

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grack posted:

I heard they're already carving Adam Fox up for organs confirm/deny

potentially getting your leg hosed up by a guy sticking his leg out is never good. but part of me is morbidly curious and wants to see just how slow Fox can play and still be as good as he is. eventually he’ll just be head faking and shoulder shrugging people at half a mile an hour. can he still put up 10-60 that slow?

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https://x.com/DevilsJointYT/status/1722115069801046439?s=20

originally a major, rescinded down to a minor (but then got a major for a total of 7 for crosschecking Timo Meier lol). the right call, although no call would have been fine. another textbook "don't freeze up in the danger zone when there's a forechecker hard on you". Hughes looked like he panicked and froze up. And didn't play the puck or protect himself. Colton even tried to get to the side of him. Could have been a lot worse. he's gotta use the boards instead of getting thrown into him. feel bad for Colton. you gotta expect a defender is going to know how to take a forecheck in the NHL

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th3t00t posted:

This hit on Hughes is textbook interference. Hughes was not eligible to be checked here. Looks like an easy 5 minute major for interference due to the violence and unnecessary nature of the hit. Colton didn't even attempt to play the puck, he went for the hit.

Why should Hughes expect to be hit here when he's not a legal target?

I make this post like once a year, but interference is actually probably the worst example you could use if you're trying to call things according to the "textbook", because the NHL rule on possession and interference has like nothing to do with how the game is actually reffed. Or ever was actually reffed. Rule 56 (Interference) says:

quote:

Possession of the Puck:

The last player to touch the puck, other than the goalkeeper, shall be considered the player in possession. The player deemed in possession of the puck may be checked legally, provided the check is rendered immediately following his loss of possession.

Because even on that play, Hughes is the last player to touch the puck. He gets harried at the blue line by Colton and knocks it into his own zone. No one touches it, so he's--according to the rulebook--still in possession of the puck until someone else touches it.

But that's not how the game is called. Nor is it the common understanding of possession or interference. I literally remember talking about this on these very forums like 16 years ago when Cam Janssen lit up Tomas Kaberle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgDUNn8q4qo

...which most people would agree is a late hit in that context. Kaberle passes it, there's a couple of seconds for it to reach the other Leafs player, and Janssen lights him up immediately after possession has been technically lost. According to the rulebook, that shouldn't have been a late hit. But most people would say it is, since the common understanding of possession does not mean "you have it until someone else touches it."

If they called it like the rulebook, Kaberle could clear it on a high flip on a penalty kill. Someone could take 10 seconds to go get it. But no one with even a passing understanding of hockey would think Kaberle would be eligible to get hosed up 9 seconds after he releases it.

I've long argued that the NHL should clarify this, but part of the reason they don't is that they also do education and video content with all the players going over what's legal and not legal. They have extensive case law videos talking about what they allow and what they don't. They rarely release any of this, but it covers situations exactly like the Janssen hit and the Colton hit. It would be very helpful for fans and everyone else IMO so they could see what is actually expected to be called.

And in fact, the specific hit Colton did has been a source of discussion for years and years. Brian Burke even famously suggested that the NHL should allow a type of 'bear hug' when forechecking defenders so you don't have to try and make predictions about whether or not the defender is going to turn, or touch the puck, or duck, and which way he's gonna turn, and whether you can get him on the side effectively like Colton was trying to do.

Which is why I feel bad for Colton, because that hit decision happens a ton of times every night. But Hughes is a rookie defensemen who came up playing in a lot less physical leagues than the NHL. And he's from a notoriously twink-esque/small-frame/weak family. Hughes definitely froze up and contributed to getting hurt. He's probably learned that it's a much more physical game than he's used to from that hit and will defend himself better next time.

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Koopa Kid posted:

It's very funny watching Erik Gustafsson, a guy Keefe also deemed unplayable who often looked lost in this team's structure last year, now lighting it up for NYR while the Leafs go through the exact same song and dance with pretty much the same (though much more expensive) guy in Klingberg.

This same coach basically made Domi eat poo poo for a month before trying him 1) at the position he actually played last year and 2) with linemates worth a drat and all of a sudden Domi's contributing and doesn't look totally useless. The same coach is benching Tyler Bertuzzi regularly while still searching for a space for him on the roster. At some point I'm more interested in why year after year so many pieces added to the team don't fit than I am blaming individual players.

he's been so great. It's probably my favorite Rangers UFA signing since...Panarin. And I can't remember one before that I like better. Maybe Benoit Pouliot. He was great in 2013-14 with Zuke and Brassard.

On its own, it's a great signing, but especially when compared with what we've been running out there on the left side of the third pair for years. Niko Mikkola. Libor Hajek. Zac Jones is okay but he still struggled last year. Patrik Nemeth. Justin Braun. Jack Johnson. Anthony Bitetto. Brendan Smith. Rob O'Gara. Probably the last time we had decent ones were when we got Yandle and Marc Staal was able to not get too caved in on the third pair. And John Moore was competent.

It's like Drury finally realized that the simplest way most NHL teams could improve their roster was to not deliberately ice a 3rd pair and bottom six that just gets caved in every night. Although he still put together Vesey-Bonino-Goodrow which has been I THINK the worst xGF line in the league so far. So maybe it was just Laviolette saying "hey I can get this guy for cheap and he fits my system, let's do it". Which honestly might make him the best possible coaching hire we could have done just for that.

Levitate posted:

Anyways, Quick is also now injured and the Rangers want to give Shesterkin more time to recover so Louis Domingue is starting tonight against the Wild and is being backed up by Dylan Garand

Rangers next play again on Sunday and then have 6 days off so seems like Lavy is hoping to get to that break in the schedule and give the injured guys some extra time to recover. I guess if they can split these next two games while running Domingue as the starter (assuming Quick can't go on Sunday) then that's a good result.

Might be nice to see Garand get one of the games. He had a great junior track record and seems to be playing well in Hartford this year.

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th3t00t posted:

This confirms that the NHL is the dumbest league in history. How are they this dumb?

For curiosity's sake, I timed how long after each player had last touched the puck before they were hit. Used the stop watch feature on my phone, so this is super scientific and accurate. :science:

2 samples each
Hughes 1.96, 2.16 seconds
Kaberele 1.11, 1.28 seconds

I'd say after not touching the puck for 1 second you're no longer in possession, and even that feels long. But the NHL surely knows better by leaving possession as is.

Can you imagine a defensive lineman blowing up a quarterback a full 2 seconds after a throw and it being legal? LMAO

1-2 seconds is an eternity in professional sports.

Yeah, it’s a weird rule, especially because they use the rulebook when citing suspensions and other stuff. I would imagine the competition committee has talked about it because there are so many little exceptions like the Colton-Hughes play. You can’t have guys purposefully not touching the puck to draw a penalty. There’s gamesmanship that happens in MMA around that with knees to a downed opponent. In some jurisdictions, you’re considered downed if your hand is on the ground, so guys will try to bait fouls by keeping their hand down. Everyone hates that.

The simplest answer is yeah, there’s a lot of dumb/inconsistent stuff from the league. Attempting to give them credit, I would say it’s probably a really hard rule to actually write with a lot of exceptions. You’d have to call out stuff like “when two guys are going into the corner and getting a puck, it’s not interference to initiate body contact with no possession”. Instead, they rely on rule education videos and sessions that they share with the teams but not with the fans. Probably so they get less criticized when they inevitably break their case law by not suspending a guy despite them having called out that play in a video.

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Call Your Grandma posted:

drat RIP to fighting in the league i guess as the nhl has finally decided they'll be giving out the instigator every time there's a fight after a hit.

unironically love this because it'll lead to more big hits. it's a sick rear end way to earn a power play. light someone up and then they gotta decide if they fight you or honor The Code. it's a good little tax

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Lafreniere is wonderful. Playing amazing right now. Merzlikins had a hell of a game. Rangers off for six days so hopefully Chytil and Igor are back. Not sure if Fox is eligible yet. Although Lindgren may now have gotten hurt by a good hit from Kuraly.

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Precambrian Video Games posted:

How good is that Kaapo Kakko though, eh?

he’s been very good at 5v5 this year, visually he looks great. defensively he’s a beast and is currently doing yeoman’s work with Bonino and Cuylle on the third line. he needs more offensive confidence but I wouldn’t be surprised if he puts a nice stretch of scoring together. i feel like he’s been unlucky because he’s often the guy making the good defensive play and pushing the puck up to his linemates in the defensive zone. then with Lavi’s system the defenseman jumps up while he covers and takes the points.

i’ve been saying it, but I hope we can get him on a Kotkaniemi-like deal. he’s a perfect complement to like any two other skill guys, and he’ll be cheap for his value.

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Mr. Kite posted:

The Rangers fans here were calling it a breakout game for Lafreniere so I assumed he had a 5-point night or something. Then I checked and he had 2 goals. Which is good and all but he's done that twice before.

it’s more the way he’s been playing and specifically last night. the last couple of years, he’s been a good opportunistic 5v5 goal scorer but not necessarily driving play or creating chances at the rate you’d like to see.

Last night, he got like 24 minutes and took over the game. Dominated every time he was out. And he’s been consistently a big threat every game this whole year. It’s a nice to see. Unexpected given his preseason, but he might be turning into the player we hoped for, which is exciting.

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mcmagic posted:

I don't understand why they are still doing the Brendan Smith experience. He isn't good.

It’s crazy because I remember like three years ago he seemed to be diminishing, and the Rangers were sometimes playing him at wing in the fourth line, and I thought “He was pretty good in his prime but it’s probably the end of the line.” And now he’s still getting games.

Not as crazy as Jack Johnson but somehow the Avs make it work. And his ability to hypnotize GMs is well known. Good for both of them.

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if you coach hockey and read this thread, PLEASE tell your players not to look straight at their feet cutting right in front of the goalie east west. what in the gently caress

Rangers had a good strat tonight even past the win. Trying to bully them physically so they go out and get a goon to cut down on their speed. Trocheck had a good one on Hughes:

https://x.com/sports_24x7_/status/1726039208354075038?s=46&t=N0fz65wLEKglu9TyofS2Yw

(again, a guy getting a penalty because a Hughes brother has squirt-level physical strength)

if I were a Devils fan, I would really worry for him. last year it seemed like Devils management told him not to go into corners under any circumstances, and he was diligent about avoiding them. but it’s seems like he’s back in them this season. he’s gonna get hosed up bad if he keeps doing it

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DancingMachine posted:

That's like, not a close call. You can't cross check a guy in the back into the boards. It's illegal in multiple ways.

that happens tons of times a game. it’s just unfortunate that Jack’s extremely physically weak. like the Colton hit on the other one, it’s hard at high speeds to adjust your mental tuning from “i’m gonna give this guy a little bump and knock him off balance a bit” to “if I bump this guy he’s gonna go flying because the strength difference is like those mascot vs. pop warner football games”.

honestly, it’s not a 100% bad trait to have for them since it helps them draw penalties. Tyler Motte is not quite like a Hughes, but he draws a ton just by virtue of guys playing him normally and knocking him all over the ice. but it’s also such an injury risk. like I said, if the Devils are smart they should have the talk with him again about staying away from those areas. he’s plenty good enough without risking it.

even his injury a couple of years ago:

https://youtu.be/dRM4CvTCXqE?si=V_FTOTeXP6aQK41o

you just don’t expect an NHLer to go flying and get that hosed up there. i’ve only really seen that in youth hockey when some kid hit his growth and is way bigger than another kid that didn’t. but Jack *still* seems that comparatively weak compared to a normal NHLer. he should really get on the Kumail Nanjani medicine regimen if he’s gonna go in the hard places more.

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top two defensive teams in the league meet, so of course it’s a crazy wide open 7-4 game that could have been 10-5. fun game!

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that should barely even be a fine honestly. The second angle clearly shows he was trying to wrench his stick free and Frederic let go at the wrong time. Frederic is fine to play on the edge but he should know that sometimes agitators can get hosed up if you try to cheat the wrong guy.

speaking of which, here’s him getting blown up by good Canadian boy Braden Schneider last year:

https://youtu.be/I7zPQ6VXqK8?si=ViTaOjc6vD58JvT9

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i mean you can see it clearly here. Frederic went for a late poke after the whistle was blown like a shithead (all respect, that's absolutely his role) and then knew a little chop was coming from Trouba, so he tried to push him off-balance for an easy knockdown so he could hopefully draw a penalty or get Trouba on tilt (again, all respect, that's just good pestwork). and Jake's stick unfortunately came up accidentally and gave him a little flick in the noggin.

if I was a Bruins fan, (between slurs) I would be way more mad at Frederic for not flopping his head back and acting like he's been shot like vintage Mario. he could have absolutely drawn a 2 or a 5 and maybe a suspension purely on optics. just kind of goes to show you how pestwork and instigation is kind of a lost art. Claude Lemieux would still be down on the ice behind his blast shield checking for blood.

i also feel people have forgotten what an actual intentional stick-to-the-face and what a dyed-in-the-wool dirty player/lunatic looks like. THIS is what an actual stick to the head from a lunatic looks like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6A1_ObPCV4

or just even a normal guy getting angry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRu-AppKGqA

or Lemieux incredibly not diving after a couple of minor whacks from Rich Pilon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqdsvHBXMJ4

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Starsfan posted:

So Dean Evason has to be on his way out in Minnesota right?

i hope not. or at least I hope he gets another job immediately. This is probably my favorite coaching thing of the last several years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YYFwWsnFFE

just the eyes of a killer

Mr. Kite posted:

Quick casually being the best goalie in the league again is pretty great. I never lost faith in him.

some day Benoit Allaire is going to retire and all Ranger fans will be devastated. he seems to work well with pretty much every goalie he touches.

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th3t00t posted:

Have Rangers fans unironically come full circle since the Wilson incident and fully embraced Trouba and his actions, or are they so committed to the bit that I can't tell the difference?

I've always loved big hits and guys agitating. If they're gonna let Tom Wilson do it, the solution is to try and get your own Tom Wilson. this is notably distinct from getting a Ryan Reaves. You want a poo poo-stirrer that can play otherwise rather than a poo poo-calmer-downer that can't play. This is why Jacob Trouba + Tom Wilson are effective and Ryan Reaves mostly isn't. Ryan Reaves was useful like one time in the last couple of years, in the series against Carolina, since he was playing pretty okay and also tilting Carolina (Tony D specifically). poo poo-calmer-downer guys are useless. They don't deter at all.

Mostly all Rangers fans have felt this way tremendously since Avery. We were mostly embarrassed by our ownership during the Wilson thing. He owned us so hard our owner turned into a Penguins-style owner and got our GM + President + later Coach fired. And caused us to play Ryan Reaves for over a year. That's crazy effective as an agitator, all credit to Tom.

And this won't change for at least a generation. I mean, obviously as a start George Parros is head of player safety, and Rob Blake and Stephane Quintal and Brendan Shanahan and Colin Campbell before them. A fun exercise is to google like any NHL coach/GM/president/front-office-person and "fight". You'll see videos of current head coach Dean Evason trying to fight NHL President Cam Neely so that Neely doesn't Bertuzzi one of his teammates. Luke Richardson has great ones. Dave Brown is head of pro scouting for Philly. GM Chris Drury was fully supportive of his team putting out 3 goons to attack Ottawa's stars after Ottawa concussed him. The coach who put those goons out with an intention to Bertuzzi everyone on the ice was current coach Lindy Ruff. Craig Berube is a Stanley Cup winning coach lol. Ron Hextall GMed for a number of years.

So yeah, until they actually decide to do something, the obvious choice is to get as many effective poo poo-stirrers as you can. Every time Trouba lights up another Devil, there's more of a chance that they cave and trade for some useless scrub that won't do anything. I was much more worried when they got Meier, who is obviously a great player but also a huge dirty piece of poo poo.

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Blackhawks management when they found out Perry slept with Bedard's mom instead of assaulting Bedard:

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