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As a casual Coyotes fan who hadn't been to a game in some time due to :Glendale:, young kids, and work, the news about them over the last few days really sucks, especially because if they had actually, finally, been able to have made something work by winning the land auction (which itself had major uncertainty), then I would have been approximately 10 minutes from the future stadium and would have loved to have gotten back to going to games, but this time with my kids. Where they were planning is probably just about the best possible location short of downtown Phoenix, given all the surrounding entertainment options, nightlife situations, development, and such. Big Bowie Bonanza posted:It hurts even more because I am a Tempe resident and ultimately voted against the arena. It was a bad deal and it would’ve almost certainly destroyed my neighborhood and community. It sucks rear end it had to go this way Ah a NIMBY. Don't worry, I'm sure the spot where the stadium would have gone, instead will eventually have more high-rise apartments on it that further congests Tempe and makes it look like poo poo along the Salt River!
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Matt Zerella posted:Lmao, the OPs reasoning for voting against it is not what NIMBY means, you dolt. I mean, I actually understand and partially agree with the sentiment (hell, what they were proposing for northeast Phoenix, at the corner of Loop-101 and Scottsdale Road, is to completely wipe out the existing native desert and build a 200 acre entertainment district when a giant entertainment district is literally 3-4 miles due west of it). I actually think it's worse to develop barren desert than, say, re-develop a barren old landfill site that just happens to be within a few miles of probably the wealthiest enclave of Tempe residents who already hate the various change that has happened but weirdly haven't done poo poo to stop any of it previously. But "We didn't want them to redevelop an existing barren dump site because it would change the nature of our neighborhood" is basically the exact same core idea as someone not wanting any type of infrastructure in their neighborhood, but in case you need a refresher, here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY Plus, if you haven't been to or seen Tempe over the last 20 years, the Tempe Town Lake area and everything north Southern, has basically changed drastically as Tempe tries to convert itself from a college town centered around ASU, to a white collar job/tech job city, and pretty much the entire length of the south side of Tempe Town Lake (itself a huge environmentally-unfriendly waste of taxpayer dollars) went from open lots, parking lots for ASU, and the little bit of Mill Avenue's nightlife scene that was visible, to now 20-30 story office and apartment buildings that clog up the entire south side. So "I didn't want to grift Meruelo" is perfectly fair/reasonable; personally I can't wait for State Farm to announce yet another massive office building in its place, or maybe if Tempe's lucky, instead they'll get like Waste Management to re-develop the landfill and move their headquarters there! Knowing Tempe, they'll instead try to lure Elon again and get him to build something on the landfill site for one of his fraud companies. Ultimately, I doubt the NHL ever does return to AZ, because no-one is going to be willing to foot the bill for a public stadium anymore (which is good); I mean, the Diamondbacks have been teasing leaving for the last few years because they can't get Chase Field essentially re-built, and they've had at least a bit more recent success than the yotes.
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:This right here is such an insane mischaracterization of what happened and there’s actual data to prove it, and it’s actually why the vote failed. All Mereulo and XG thought they had to do was court the wealthy residents of Tempe and it would be a slam dunk and that’s why it failed. You can literally look at the data: MAFW has areas with homes that are just as expensive, if not more so, than South Tempe does between Elliot and Ray. I lived in Tempe for 14 years, mostly south of the 60, so trust me, I get it. I agree with you though, the overall total concentration of wealth is down there. But let's not pretend that MAFW is some working-class, low-income neighborhood that is barely scraping by and doesn't want to see things change. That's the real mischaracterization or intentional ignorance. It isn't Laveen, lol. I think the vote failed because people are sick and tired of funding, in any way, shape, or form, any type of public sports venues, the same reason that the Suns had to get the Phoenix City Council to authorize the work on the Footprint Center, because it'd never pass a referendum. The same reason that the Diamondbacks are trying to get the Stadium District to fund updates, since they know the public wouldn't support it, etc. And I'm imagine that a lot of residents are also just sick and tired of all the change and such that has been going on between Broadway and the 202, because in the last 20 years, it's gone from nice character to just generally poo poo, with all the development around ASU. From a "don't take money from taxpayers" viewpoint, I think it was a great result. I just think it's hypocritical when people get worked up over it, either not knowing or not caring that probably in the next few years, Tempe is just going to turn around and have that land developed anyway into corporate offices or some other commercial development, and likely with decades-long tax deferrals just as the Coyotes development was going to have, only this time, it won't have to go to a public vote.
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Big Bowie Bonanza posted:That is one of the hottest MAFW takes I’ve ever seen thank you for that lmao I'll stop the derail, feel free to PM if you want on it, but lmao at Mr. "I'll brag about owning another home in California in other threads, and a home in still one of the nicest parts of Tempe", while also trying to play off not being well off. lol. lmao.
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shyduck posted:edit: We'll probably have an idea after this land auction in the coming weeks Honestly I highly doubt he’ll win the auction. Anyone that can demonstrate they meet the Arizona State Land Department’s bidding requirements, can show up and compete against him. And there’s almost certainly going to be other bidders given the prime location. He would have had to have done some prep work in order to get it this far, such as environmental surveys, etc., but that’s peanuts to what he just received. So it wouldn’t be surprising for him to place the initial bid and then give up as it goes higher, walking away with his $1B while the parcel goes to other commercial developers. I wonder if he’s allowed to sell the rights to someone else who might actually care about doing something with the Coyotes. My guess is that 5 years goes by and the Coyotes remain a permanent fixture of past history.
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Drunk Canuck posted:Do Mormons believe in sainthood? Eternal fuckage
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So what happens to the Coyotes name/history/etc. if more than 5 years goes by? Obviously Meruelo is likely going to take his $1B and run, but if another billionaire someday wants to try hockey in AZ again, and gets NHL approval, would they be eligible to re-use the Coyotes name/etc? I'm assuming they could, but it would probably be as a true, new franchise named Coyotes instead of having the history/etc., similar to the Jets.
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Cartoon Man posted:It will be a future expansion location, assuming a new buyer can get a stadium deal. That makes sense BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Friedman said he doesn't know on today's 32 Thoughts so I think that part isn't out there yet. I'd guess it reverts to the NHL. That's what I've thought too, but then I also saw an interview where Meruelo said he basically had no choice, because the NHL came to him in March and basically told him the team needed to be relocated because of their current conditions, so instead of dragging it all out, he got $1B with the inactivation options, but I feel like if the NHL had really wanted to try and push him to truly get the arena and re-activate, they'd have made him pay back some of the $1B he got (though he'd probably then just proceed with dragging it all out). I mean, if he can actually buy the land and get the district set up like he proposed, it actually has the opportunity to be a windfall for him, if only because there are numerous events up in that area each year that draw in a lot of people and he'd fill out the hotel rooms for (the Barrett Jackson car auction, the Phoenix Open, and Spring Training is about 10 minutes away via Loop-101 that he wants to built along (Salt River Fields), plus multiple casinos near that. But given that he couldn't even show up for the Coyotes last game on Wednesday, not holding out much hope for his actual interest.
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