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Yes, you are hurting the content creator's™ feelings and future
No, youtube is infringing on my rights with anti-ad blocker ads
Just click out and suck it up OP lmfao
I watch videos on dailymotion instead
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Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
If adblockers stop working on Youtube I will just stop using Youtube altogether. Whenever I run into Youtube on any device that doesn't have an adblocker holy poo poo it's so bad I'll rather just not watch the video.

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Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
I know myself and know that I don't need to make any principled decision to not use it, because the moment I click on a video and it gets me some bullshit that is not the video, I'm gonna be like eh whatever and close the tab. I'm probably not the only one.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Yeah they're doing a lot of this. Some people get a popup that can be closed. Others get a popup that can be closed but only after a set time. Some get one that can't be closed I think. Yet others get banned.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Tarkus posted:

No, don't you get it? I'd rather endure ads to the point of attrition or have some Rube Goldberg-esque device/software to block the ads because Youtube was free in 2006 and it should be free 17 years later. No don't talk about the other paid streaming services I have where I spend an hour going through menus and then finally settle on watching Youtube instead. What are you? A paid Google shill I bet! Good luck talking with Mr.Google's cock in your mouth!!!
Hmm no, I don't think I'll voluntarily give more money to the megacorp that has turned ubiquitous surveillance into a business and used its free services to lodge itself into every part of society so that you pretty much have to use them.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Just as a side note, Google makes $60 billion in profit a year. They are in the top three most profitable companies in the world. YouTube is a component of this as an ad and data collection platform that works just fine despite ad blockers.

There's no problem they need to solve. There's no, oh, we have to figure out some way to make money. It's just greed. Making $60 billion is not enough. There is no enough.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
I don't know if YouTube specifically loses money because Google doesn't release those numbers, but Google as a whole is mostly made up of free services that probably lose money and the whole thing makes more money than anyone should have anyway.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Yeah. Seems like everything they do would lose money. I'm sure Google Drive loses money. Gmail loses money, there's no way it doesn't. They've just figured out how to make enormous money out of these free services regardless.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

The General posted:

No shade thrown at those who do use them. Just explaining why I don't. I use the service enough that paying would be justified if I personally paid for it (Have in the past, likely will in the future).
Why would you not use an adblocker and make the internet way more usable though? Like there is no effort. You install Ublock and nearly all ads are gone. It updates automatically. You literally install it and forget about it.

At times you might have to fiddle with something when Youtube or whatever pulls a fuckery like this, but even if you don't care to, you see like 95% fewer ads.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
But what fight? Like you install it once and then it's there and you never touch it. I'm pretty sure I installed it for my mom like five years ago and she has probably forgotten it exists and it still blocks the ads just fine.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

TACD posted:

If you still have an account on the bad bird site, check out your list of "interests". This is the list of topics used to "personalize your experience across X, including the ads you see." Mine does have some stuff I'm interested in, but it has way, way more poo poo that I am absolutely not interested in, have never engaged with, or have literally never heard of. Some of them are hilariously vague ("animals", "food", "water", "weather") and overall it just gives me the impression that ~the algorithm~ is completely unable to filter signal from noise and advertisers should probably be mad about getting scammed into thinking Big Tech can deliver these hyper-personalised targeted impressions.

E: This also isn't a Musk thing, I remember looking at this years ago and it was equally stupid then.
Apparently my only interest is that I'm "known for" Cookie Run, which is some mobile game I've never heard of.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Yeah I've been wondering when the EU notices that. They made a big deal about Microsoft abusing their position in the OS market to push IE, and it wasn't nearly as flagrant as it is now.

One of the most annoying ways they do this is they made Windows deliberately disregard its own default browser setting and just made it open Edge for any links directly from the OS.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Milo and POTUS posted:

It may just be a chrome thing which lmfao
Finland and Firefox here, so it's not location or browser-based in any obvious way. Ublock works for some period of time and then stops working for some period of time. Ublock's filter list updates have no bearing on this for me. I think there's just no discernible rhyme or reason to whatever Google is doing. It might be deliberately confusing.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

steinrokkan posted:

I'm occasionally (like once a day) getting a window that says "Please stop using Adblock, it's not allowed!!!!!" but you can close it and continue watching the video, lol.
They have tiers. First it's this, then there's a timer for being able to close it. Then it's "you have 3 more videos". Then you're blocked from watching anything. It might take a day to progress a tier, it might take a month, it might not happen, who knows.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
I think the only reason Google has not yet simply blocked adblockers on Chrome is that they look at that IE graph and go hmm.

I think even if most people don't use adblockers there's a risk that "Chrome is really bad, don't use it, just download Firefox" becomes a cultural idea that spreads from the adblocky slightly techy people to the rest like it did with IE.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
And I'm still saying why the hell would you not have one that works for all of the internet except YouTube?

I really don't see how you can bear with an ad-filled internet but on the other hand it's good that someone's looking at the ads so they're still convinced it's worthwhile, and I don't have to.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

LividLiquid posted:

I didn't even blink when they did that. I just nodded along, all "yes, yes. We're all going to die quite soon."
I mean there are threats to our way of life and civilization that are very real but a feeling that the world must end roughly within your own lifespan and an intuitive incredulity that you could die and things would just go on is just something very human and perhaps not something based on those real threats. You'll find the same sentiment in, say, medieval poetry, not even necessarily based on religion, just a sense that things are bad and getting worse and surely they have to end very soon, coincidentally, within the writer's lifespan. I think it's telling that very few people think the world is going to end in, say, 200 years, even though that might be just as reasonable. It's always ending about coincident with one's own end.

Also I now have to use two types of adblockers, one which blocks the requests, and another which allows them but then kills the ads. Whenever one stops working the other will work.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Nov 15, 2023

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Fun fact you can take the video id from the url of a short and paste it in the place of a video id in a normal video's url and then you get it in regular video format.

I like how shorts are just a worse UI but TikTok is popular so YouTube wants to be like TikTok.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
It's incredible how much they're just loving with their users. Are they unaware they're simply making their website bad, slow and unpredictable?

I guess this is the usual Google attitude: "gently caress you, we're Google, you'll use our service anyway."

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

doctorfrog posted:

a) this is everyone (gently caress you, you need to buy gas/eggs/milk anyway)
b) they're right, most users people will endure anything to use product
Unfortunately it may be right for YouTube due to a lack of good alternatives but it's really funny how Google leaves behind it a trail of dead services (Stadia, for example), because they went in with this attitude and people did not, in fact, use their service anyway.

doctorfrog posted:

for YouTube specifically: the alternative is doing something else. Nothing on YouTube is worth enduring a single ad for.*
Yeah that's me. My habit now is that if I click a YouTube link, and instead of the video I get some fuckery or an ad, I go 'ah, blocker's not working today' and close the tab.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Chrs posted:

I’m still conditioned to assume that clicking any ad online will give my computer malware
This is not a bad assumption. I had one YouTube ad leak through and it was an AI-generated Elon Musk trying to get you to link on some generated URL that's 100% either malware or some kind of crypto scam.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Incidentally I recently learned that if you're actually paying for something on YouTube, the quality is crippled and you're restricted to 480p or something ("SD") on PC. You have to watch through a device like unspecified "selected smart TVs" for HD.

Similarly, Netflix just lies about resolution, you're getting 720p on a browser, regardless of specifically paying for 1080p or 4k. This limitation is not mentioned when you pay. You must go through their app or a different device to unlock full resolution.

So paying for content specifically gets you worse quality over free content, or piracy.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

PhazonLink posted:

arent graphic p numbers largely placebo on smaller screens/devices ? like 700 is fine until you get a "real" screen?
I dunno but it's PCs with real screens where the resolution is specifically limited.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Yeah you could drop all the nonsense and the DRM and people would just pay for it because it's the most convenient option in that case.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Philthy posted:

This is only if your monitor doesn't support HDCP for copy protection, which is supposed to prevent screen capture apps from recording and letting you distribute it. It'll bump it down to 480p if it doesn't. Amazon will do this also when you rent movies.

Thing is, chrome extensions that capture video (That I've tried) work just fine on the HD streams anyway. They somehow bypass HDCP.
Their support pages just say no, in general.

This is the kind of absurd nonsense I mean. You can pirate it anyway if you want to. It only hurts the paying customer. And that customer is paying because they want to go to netflix dot com, click the show and watch it - it makes no difference if someone can record it and put it on a torrent site because that customer won't go there because they specifically don't want to jump through hoops to watch the drat thing. I know I'm preaching to the choir here, I'm not arguing with you, it's just so dumb!!

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
It also doesn't recognize user input, so if you're scanning around looking for something, skipping the video around, it gives that message too.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Yeah I've seen some gnarly cases where it cites something to a source that's saying the opposite of what it thinks it's saying. Misinformation machine.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Charles Ford posted:

YouTube actually turns on DRM if you watch the "YouTube Movies" content. Supposedly yt-dlp will still download the file for you, but you need a mystery tool to decrypt it (I genuinely don't know, I have never looked into it beyond being curious about the DRM as I knew they had it sometimes).
It's hilariously bad. You have to watch on mobile devices or "selected smart TVs" to get HD content. Otherwise it's 480p.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind
Man I love my computer being compromised on a hardware level with dumb nonsense to guarantee I can't hit print screen while watching a thing. Meanwhile you can just pirate the shows and skip all of the nonsense.

It's incredibly stupid. People love convenience. They will pay for the Netflix subscription because it's easy. They could have no DRM at all and it wouldn't make a difference. In fact I also love convenience which is why I can't be arsed to pirate stuff but I also don't want to pay for streaming services due to all the nonsense so I don't watch stuff anymore.

Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Zero VGS posted:

Public trackers like that will sometimes generate nastygrams from your ISP (if you're on some popular new thing, the studio will know about the torrent and make the ISP snitch, as an IT person I had to send a company-wide email asking employees not to loving torrent Avengers Endgame on our office wifi), but those warnings are basically toilet paper until you get like 6, then they might shitcan your account. It takes some effort to pull that off. They've been known to send people emails for torrenting professional porn which is funny if it's a kid doing it and their mom gets an email from Xfinity about Anal Destroyers XVII. Then there's private trackers for all kinds of things, but they're all very strict Don't Talk About Fight Club etc, etc to keep studio agents from infiltrating.
There are also some other risks depending on where you are. In Finland and I think elsewhere in Europe, maybe sometimes the US too, there's a whole extortion business where will send you letters going "you've been pirating, send us 800€ or we sue". They probably will not sue, over here only one of these is an actual law company which does it once in a blue moon to try and make an example, and the others are cases like singular retired lawyers making a buck on the side who have never ever gone to court over this, but they will still keep bombarding you with menacing letters for years which is not great for your stress levels. What makes it extra scummy is that the legal penalties here are nowhere near as high as amounts they try to extort. They're trying to scare you with court costs.

Duck and Cover posted:

So god drat stupid because those agents know drat well what the private trackers are. It's all just :jerkbag:.
Yeah but the moment the effort level increases to monitor what's going on, it's far less likely to happen because it costs them money.

Elukka fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Apr 19, 2024

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Elukka
Feb 18, 2011

For All Mankind

Duck and Cover posted:

Yeah they don't get raided not through the super duper secret club but through not being Piratebay/supernova. So the whole shhhhh IT'S A SECRET climbing of the tracker exclusivity pyramid has always been :jerkbag:. I could be convinced that some niche private trackers have use, but for pretty much anything else? Yeah just use piratebay.
This probably depends greatly on where you live. I'm not an expert on how this works, but I would imagine copyright extortion companies can't trivially monitor what goes on in private trackers? If it takes some effort to get access they're not going to care because it's about making money and if someone has to put manual effort into it that cuts into the profit. Though by the same token, you're also probably safe by just using a VPN.

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