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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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McGann posted:

Well hell, Whizz Kid is back as the only one reprisingu? But we've got everyone else playing different parts and Sly DOESN'T PLAY THE SPOONS when he's meant to be a part of the circus???

I'm enough of a Who fan and musical fan that I'm interested. But my "oh no this could be bad" flags are all raised in the back of my head.

If BF was doing this, I'd be on board immediately since they've done the odd pseudo musical and always play it with the correct level of seriousness.

All the "special guest appearance" people appear to be the originals, as are Ian Reddington and Christopher Guard. I've no interest personally but it doesn't look completely wrong?

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Gaz-L posted:

I wonder how long the BBC have known about the rights thing with An Unearthly Child, because while it IS the Daleks, I can't imagine the big 60th Anniversary colourised re-airing being the SECOND ever story is intentional, surely you'd want the bookend of the first ever story?

On the other hand that first story is... not as interesting as The Daleks?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I'm not sure it's even clear there IS a rights issue, or if the beeb are just being cautious.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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The_Doctor posted:

He wasn’t lucky to get cast as the Doctor, Doctor Who the show was lucky to get him.

Honestly I think I might think this about pretty much every Doctor we've ever had, now you've said it.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Szmitten posted:

The guys' Twitter implies he's being disruptive dick solely to a dick out of revenge because the writer of the first episode clearly had to have invented the characters and the Tardis and should be paid for everything that ever followed etc etc.

The worst thing about this whole saga is it's the first time someone's managed to make Ian Levine look like the person on the right side of a Who related argument.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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lines posted:

Finally watched The Caves of Androzani. Thought it was really quite good (the other half called it 'solidly not bad, though I would have liked it to hate women less'. I'm not going to show them any Colin Baker).

Caves into Twin Dilemma MUST be the biggest drop in quality between two episodes in the entirety of Who canon.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Confusedslight posted:

Part one and part two of an unearthly child is the first noticeable drop in doctor who cannon.

There's loads of quality shifts, absolutely, I just can't think of a bigger one. Androzani is generally regarded as one of the best serials and I'm struggling to think of a story I like less than Twin Dilemma.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Warthur posted:

Whilst The Dominators is by some way Troughton's worst story, I don't think it harms his character the way Twin Dilemma harms the Sixth Doctor. If The Dominators had been his first story post-The Tenth Planet that would have been bad, but I think the show would have recovered by the end of season 4 still, but The Twin Dilemma sabotaged Colin Baker right out of the gate.

Exactly. You go from a great story of betrayal, revenge and Five sacrificing himself for someone he barely knows, to a story that largely slides off the brain who's lasting impression is of bad acting from the supporting cast and Six being a huge, huge rear end in a top hat to the universe in general and to Peri in specific.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Sydney Bottocks posted:

Pertwee's whole first season was just one big exercise in trial and error, really. They had an idea of what they wanted to do, but they were still working out the bugs, and they hadn't quite settled on the idea of the "UNIT Family" just yet. That's why the Brig isn't necessarily scientifically smart but is otherwise very intelligent (and a bit ruthless, when he feels he has no other choice) during Season 7, only to get dumbed down a fair bit throughout the next three seasons until he's pretty much just comic relief in episodes like The Three Doctors.

Liz was the same way; they wanted a companion who was also an intelligent scientist and could hold their own in a conversation with the Doctor...but they also wanted someone who could ask the questions that naturally led to the exposition that the audience needed in order to know what's going on. And, if we're being honest, they wanted a companion that was pretty enough to keep the dads interested, which is why Dr. Elizabeth Shaw, Noted Scientist, was often running around in miniskirts and go-go boots. Since Caroline John decided to leave the show after the first season (due to a combo of being unhappy with how her character was written, and discovering she was pregnant just before filming on Inferno started), they didn't need to dumb Liz down like they eventually would the Brigadier, so they just came up with daffy but lovable Jo Grant instead (who was not any kind of a scientist, so running around in miniskirts and go-go boots was perfectly fitting for her character).

I liked how Shaw's farewell note pretty much lampshaded the problem she presented too.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I remain baffled at people who like Doctor Who (and indeed Star Trek) who get angry at progressive politics. What on earth are they finding in the show to enjoy?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Lottery of Babylon posted:

Spare Parts is a christmas episode

oh god it is isn't it

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Random Stranger posted:

Apparently two more lost episodes have been confirmed! Except they're in the hands of a private collector who refuses to let anyone see them.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2023/nov/11/lost-doctor-who-episodes-found-owner-reluctant-to-hand-them-to-bbc

Sounds like one of the episodes is part of The Dalek's Master Plan, too...

There's already an amnesty on any lost footage handed over so there's some bullshit going on here.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Confusedslight posted:

It just seems so incredibly strange that they are keeping them hidden and I don't understand why.

Because it's something they have that other people can't have. Some people just want that buzz of knowing that. There's a cache in being in with the in crowd that you can't buy.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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McGann posted:

Good point, that checks out. I kind of like the idea of an official Torchwood, would love to see the timeline but don't really look forward to them boxing themselves in. I'm tempted to do a little digging to find other stories relating, besides the couple I own. The fact that it's the Torchwood range makes me believe the overall quality is probably going to be more consistent, so I feel better safer grabbing any random audio.

Who would everyone say is their favorite big finish writer? I'm definitely going to choose James Goss.

Author is actually why I chose Blood on Satan's Claw without remembering much - it's by Nev Fountain, who also did Kingmaker.

I should have realized when noticing he is using an alias for this box set that it probably wasn't the same quality as king maker

Edit also lol I almost listed spare parts but I couldn't remember 100% if it was taking place during the holiday season. Now it all floods back.

poo poo, I'm adding it to my list. Can't have a merry Christmas without experiencing the a bit of body horror amirite??

Christmas wouldn't be christmas.

Edit: to the question of favourite Big Finish writer, he has a rough start with Blood Tide and Flip Flop but Jonathan Morris gets some serious points from me for Cobwebs and The Eternal Summer. And I know he's not written anything for them for an age but it's got to be Shearman hasn't it? The closest thing he has to a miss is that one of his story shares a CD with a bloody awful Joseph Lidster miseryporn story.

Fil5000 fucked around with this message at 14:41 on Nov 12, 2023

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I've made the mistake of watching some Brigadier episodes. A mistake because it reminded me of the cyber Brig again and what an insultingly poo poo thing it was to do.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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99 CENTS AMIGO posted:

Those two Cyberman episodes with Danny Pink actually kinda killed Doctor Who for my wife and me. They were so nihilistic, grim, and against the spirit of anarchic adventure that Who is at its best that we just kinda barely watched the following season and then dropped off entirely, even if the immediately successive Christmas special did a little bit to make up for it. Totally missed Capaldi’s last season and all of Whitaker. It used to be destination viewing! I own probably half the Classic series on DVD! We went to the Matt Smith premieres in NYC! But those episodes killed any desire for us to care stone dead.

We started back up from Eccleston a few weeks back to kinda reboot our love for the series. It’s working so far! I’m looking forward to Capaldi’s last season, which I’ve heard is very good. And also…Whitaker’s run…which I’ve heard is short.

Capaldis other two seasons have plenty of worth in them (he's my kids favourite Doctor, even) but yeah, that two parter is just bad.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Doctor Mysterio has slid entirely off my brain. I know I've seen it, but I couldn't tell you what happens for the life of me and nothing is making me want to check it.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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McGann posted:

I agree. He can be very trying solo, but that pairing worked perfectly. I loved Nardole in that season.

Back to my regular BF postings:

The One Doctor Continues to be awesome, gave it another listen as I had a couple hours of drive time yesterday. I have never listened past the end of the story, I just noticed there was 7 minutes of "dead space" at the end...and this time listened through.

"And a merry christmas to all of you at home" made me smile in the car, it was just so perfect. And then Mentos at the end had me dying. Thankfully right as I pulled into my drive.

YEARS I've listened to this story, and never gotten to that post-script part. Early/mid BF was such a blast.

edit: Ah, hell. Today's listen has been made for me - a new release. The War Master meets Bilis Manger? Hell. Yes. And who wrote that particular part of the story? James Goss. ALL ABOARD!!

You'd think we would at least get some sort of children in need/youtube promo/BF thing with her+Me, but the actresses probably outran BF/BBC's budget a while ago.

The nice thing about BF is it'll keep chugging along and still be there if and when they feel like returning to the characters.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Vinylshadow posted:

Nah see they're called stormtroopers because they're the successors to the clone troopers, who came from Kamino

where it storms

All the time

Laugh, please

This is as good as how in 40k Land Raiders are called that because the template for them was discovered by a guy called Arkhan Land.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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The_Doctor posted:

I know I've never seen a McCoy episode on there.

I seem to remember when the beeb did weekend morning repeats back in the late 90s/early 00s they never played any McCoy episodes either. I think the furthest they ever seemed to get was Revelation of the Daleks.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Zaroff posted:

You must have just missed it - aside from the repeat run in 1999 where they discovered no one was spending 7 weeks to watch Doctor Who and the Silurians, pivoted to Genesis and abandoned the whole thing, you’re going back to the 92/93/94 repeats which included Battlefield!

It must have been those earlier ones, maybe I went on holiday after Revelation or something, or just slept in more. I definitely didn't have anything better to be doing!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I'm all for a change that gives Julian Bleach more of his own features to work with to show us how deranged Davros is. The original design is great but it's not gone away or anything, and if this is shifting timelines stuff then cool, let's see what weird poo poo RTD comes up with.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Narsham posted:



If you want to go after making the message less clear, Genesis of the Daleks can itself be accused of that: Davros and the Kaleds come across as Nazi-like, I think we'd agree. And yet, only some of Davros' hand-picked researchers end up siding with him, while the rest demand the dalek program be shut down. Isn't that sending a clear message of "not all Nazis" and suggesting that plenty of Nazi scientists were OK chaps in the end? Either you admit that the whole analogy was deeply flawed and compromised from the beginning, or you accept that when writing a science-fiction allegory you can't expect a strict one-to-one correspondence in the way you seem to be demanding here.



In fairness, fascists having internal disagreements that results in backstabbing and murder is entirely appropriate if you're going for a Nazi analogy. The scientists weren't needed any more so they were deemed insufficiently pure and purged.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Sorry, what was Chibnell's "wokery"? Finally casting a woman or doing a couple of episodes that acknowledged that some of history is about people who aren't white?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Tornhelm posted:

Ah, I see you're another person who quit watching during Chibnall's run.

Despite the presence of John Bishop I made it through the whole thing.


MrL_JaKiri posted:

Basically yes

I honestly can't understand how someone can watch an era that includes the "actually Amazon are the real victims here" episode and conclude that Chibnall is more woke than the guy that wrote Queer as Folk, Cucumber/Banana/Tofu and It's a Sin.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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lines posted:

Have discovered that my partner has barely watched any Who so I have begun inflicting Tennant's era on them. We watched Tooth and Claw yesterday and I have to say I did not remember the inexplicable kung fu monks who sort of just disappear from the plot about halfway through. What's... with them?

They were just the werewolf's pals right?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Matinee posted:

The “kung-fu monks” were there because RTD thought it would be cool.

I am looking forward to this energy being back.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

So one bit of the werewolf monks that has been lost to time to some extent (viz: the bit in the cold opening) is the context of the BBC One Idents "Rhythm and Movement" (playlist here), used from 2002 to late 2006 (T&C being broadcast earlier that year).

Oh, those are twenty years old are they? I see. God I feel old.

Also, new Who only needs to go another 8 years before it's lasted as long as old Who did, that's pretty cool.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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MrL_JaKiri posted:

Austin Powers would now be made about the time Austin Powers came out

The "lame, dinosaur" bands Homer mentions in this scene (Grand Funk Railroad*, Jefferson Airplane, Jefferson Starship, The Alan Parsons Project) were then more recent than the then cool modern bands from the episode (Smashing Pumpkins, Sonic Youth, Cypress Hill) are now

*They didn't pave the way for Jefferson Airplane, as they came first!

This is ACTUALLY how the Master became the Deadly Assasin Master you know.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Matinee posted:

The “kung-fu monks” were there because RTD thought it would be cool.

I feel like people are overlooking this perfectly reasonable explanation for 19th century kung fu monks

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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egon_beeblebrox posted:

I honestly don't like much of 10's run, but I am VERY excited about Tennant and Tate being back together loving around with space and time.

I feel similarly, there's a lot of 10 episodes that I can happily skip but there's nothing quite like Tennant grinning like a lunatic, or going "Wellllll...", or Donna being outraged at something.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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lines posted:

This was an interesting watch for what they did and didn't include, especially re: Chibnall's era.

https://youtu.be/s46TZDTTFdM?si=jVZD-FA-bUkvN8Pt

Two minutes in and they claim no one knows Theta Sigma's name, ridiculous.

:v:

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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PriorMarcus posted:

You weren't blind to it, it was non existent.

Yeah, RTD was always better at this. During his tenure it always felt like there was something happening, be it the show itself airing, a trailer, the Christmas special, Torchwood, Totally Doctor Who, one of those CBBC animated shows, etc etc. And the beeb was always telling you those things were happening. They even got Big Finish actively in on things, with the Eighth Doctor Adventures getting broadcast on Radio 7 I think before they got released on CD?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Jerusalem posted:

Jo Martin was after Patrick Troughton and before Jon Pertwee!

Source: gently caress it, if Chibnall can just make up some bullshit I can too, and I like mine better which is the number one factor the Doctor Who production should always be considering at all times.

Honestly I think the best approach to stuff like this was described by Moffat when someone asked him "What happens if the Doctor runs out of regenerations" and he replied "Well if and when that happens we'll *make something up*"

The whole Timeless Child thing is as fanfiction feeling as the time lord cybermen for me, but it has as much or as little bearing on any individual story as the writer wants it to, and like Vinylshadow said, gives us the possibility of infinite unseen stories with whoever they want to cast as the Doctor. Man, we could have a TV version of something like UNIT: Dominion

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Davros1 posted:

BBC Radio 7 aired some of the 8 and Charley Adventures (but NOT Minuet in Hell, lol), and had great success with them, so they commissioned an original series of 8 Adventures, which is how we got 8 and LUCIE BLEEDIN' MILLER!


They still air BF stuff, like 10 and the War Doctor

I hadn't realised they'd commissioned the EDAs, I knew they'd broadcast some of the BF stuff before (given they frequently had Nick Briggs hosting the 7th Dimension slot it made a lot of sense), and yeah, I heard some of the 10 and War stuff that's been on recently. They do seem to do a batch of it every now and again too, I know the 5, Tegan, Nyssa, and Turlough arc that starts with Cobwebs was on there.

Honestly I'm disappointed that they relegated the 7th Dimension slot to weekends only, it's not like there isn't a ton of sci fi and fantasy stuff in the BBC's radio back catalogue and I'm 100% sure that BF would happily license them stuff.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Ooh, what about the time lords just show up again and the Doctor says "so you survived!" and they say "yes"

Worked for Anthony Ainley.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Astroman posted:

I didn't know how much I wanted this until now!

It also brings up an intriguing point...if Gatwa knows who the Rani is, does that mean he's another superfan like Tennant and Capaldi?

--clerk with a goatee

--"the boss" has 2 hearts

All I'm hearing here is Sacha Dhawan returning as The Master :dance:

It would be neat seeing his giggling, dark edged mania playing out against the more sober 14 (as opposed to 10). He was the best part of the Chibnall era IMO. I can see RTD watching the Rasputin dance and saying "oh yeah, I gotta have more of this!"

The Master has had a goatee more often than he hasn't, it could be Simm (and honestly that feels more likely to me for some reason. Hell, it could be Gordon Tipple, he had a goatee in the promo shots. God that'd be funny.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Astroman posted:

I like Simm, especially the more calm, menacing version from his last appearance, and that would work with the more calm 14. But if we get Dhawan it goes a long way towards breaking the new trope that each Doctor "has a Master" who must get recast at every regeneration. Ainley was great because he was against so many Doctors. I'd love to see Dhawan, Gomez, and Simm just randomly showing up over the next few years.

Though isn't Tipple the only Master even Big Finish hasn't trotted out? Rusty would probably love that kind of deep cut.

I mean I'd love to see Dhawan back, he was great, I guess I'm just thinking in terms of this run of specials being the Greatest Hits of RTD.

I don't think Tipple has ever showed up anywhere aside from those few seconds at the start of the TV movie, but let's be fair, he doesn't DO anything to give even a vague hint of his character.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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BF have reverted the Beevers master from being a dessicated husk about three times as far as I can recall, as well as creating an entirely new incarnation so they can do what they want really.

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Rochallor posted:

Okay, I knew I had read something to that effect but couldn't remember where, it was really bugging me. So we're not talking the Occidental Toymaker, any bets on which classic series baddie we're bringing back? Personally I'm hoping for the Vardans, let's turn this into a show for five people.

Voord or bust.

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