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Lutha Mahtin posted:stepping on the brake did not disengage the engine/transmission/etc like it is supposed to Uhhhh what?
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Grey Cat posted:That was a supposed route for tick tock clock that nobody has been able to replicate. The problem is all these motherfucking bit flips on this motherfucking plane
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Lutha Mahtin posted:they designed their software so badly that a cosmic ray could flip a single bit in the control computers and make the car go nuts mechanically lmao
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Lutha Mahtin posted:stepping on the brake did not disengage the engine/transmission/etc like it is supposed to gently pressing the brake pedal and your driveshaft severs in two, the drivers behind you blinded by the shower of sparks flying from under your car as it drags across the asphalt while you coast on the interstate from 75mph. "Hmm yes, brakes working as intended" screams Lutha Mahtin to the panicked passengers, trying to be heard over the scraping sounds
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Im getting the impression thats not how brakes work
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Thems the brakes 
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The brakes would have stopped that car even if the gas pedal was pressed down or a throttle got stuck wich is not a thing that happens to Bentleys. I'm guessing driver suffered a stroke or something and floored it.
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I wanna know more about this revolutionary new brake system
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Listen, they're called BREAKS.
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Preoptopus posted:The brakes would have stopped that car even if the gas pedal was pressed down or a throttle got stuck wich is not a thing that happens to Bentleys. I'm guessing driver suffered a stroke or something and floored it. Im guessing the driver was getting an epic suck from his passenger and he busted exactly at the moment of combustion
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combusting a nut
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A couple of people were having trouble finding that farm in upstate New York, so they decided to follow some other clues they found about their childhood dog's whereabouts. They succeeded in finding their beloved Scoots.Edna Clyne-Rekhy posted:
This is in very poor taste. But also, they died when they headed to the Rainbow Bridge, and that poem has been shoved in pet cremation ash bags for decades.
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LaserPrinter69 posted:gently pressing the brake pedal and your driveshaft severs in two, the drivers behind you blinded by the shower of sparks flying from under your car as it drags across the asphalt while you coast on the interstate from 75mph. "Hmm yes, brakes working as intended" screams Lutha Mahtin to the panicked passengers, trying to be heard over the scraping sounds I think Lutha Mahtin may have misspoken, or possibly you're doing the goon thing of interpreting what they said in the most unfavourable way you can in order to be able to clown on them. did you read the article they linked? the article itself links to a set of slides prepared by one of the experts who testified for the plaintiffs. (I don't actually expect people in GBS to read not only linked articles, but also documents linked from those articles - that would clearly be unreasonable - I took an interest because I was nerding out) here's a relevant part of the slides that LM may have been trying to paraphrase (slide 45, talking about actions that could have been taken by a backup system on the car responsible for monitoring and correcting the behaviour of the main one):
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if I understand correctly, in the model of toyota discussed, there wasn't a direct mechanical connection between the accelerator pedal and the uh, engine parts that the accelerator pedal is intended to control. rather, the accelerator pedal is connected to a computer and the computer decides what signals to send to mechanical parts that in less computerised cars (like my old rear end Ford) might be connected directly to the accelerator pedal. The brake pedal might be directly mechanically connected to the brakes but it also is connected to the computer so the computer knows (or should know) if the user is pressing it. Since the computer knows (or should know) the state of both pedals and is in complete control of the engine, it should be able to respond to the user standing on the brakes by stopping the engine as quickly as it can without blowing up or whatever you said. regardless of whether the gas pedal is down
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Hammerite posted:if I understand correctly, in the model of toyota discussed, there wasn't a direct mechanical connection between the accelerator pedal and the uh, engine parts that the accelerator pedal is intended to control. rather, the accelerator pedal is connected to a computer and the computer decides what signals to send to mechanical parts that in less computerised cars (like my old rear end Ford) might be connected directly to the accelerator pedal. The brake pedal might be directly mechanically connected to the brakes but it also is connected to the computer so the computer knows (or should know) if the user is pressing it. Since the computer knows (or should know) the state of both pedals and is in complete control of the engine, it should be able to respond to the user standing on the brakes by stopping the engine as quickly as it can without blowing up or whatever you said. regardless of whether the gas pedal is down You're right. Traditionally, the accelerator pedal was connected mechanically to the throttle with a cable. On some newer cars the gas pedal has a potentiometer or something and feeds an electrical signal to the cars computer. The computer sends out a signal to turn the throttle based on this. I think if you go into the OBDIi you can actually see the accelerator input as a numeric value. Its like a gas pedal on a racing game. A driver should never be pressing the accelerator and brake at the same time, so it makes sense to have a program to set the throttle output to 0 if the computer detects both the accelerator and brake pedals being pressed at the same time. Toyota's code was absolute spaghetti however so its quite possible there was some rare bug that set the throttle at maximum and ignored the program meant to stop it. This matches what people reported where the car kept going even with them pressing the brake.
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Pekinduck posted:A driver should never be pressing the accelerator and brake at the same time, As both a telehandler operator and someone who likes to put a small amount of load on an engine before moving from a dead stop for a more uniform and controllable acceleration depending on the power of said vehicle, I have to stop you right there, pal.
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XYZAB posted:As both a telehandler operator and someone who likes to put a small amount of load on an engine before moving from a dead stop for a more uniform and controllable acceleration depending on the power of said vehicle, I have to stop you right there, pal. Braking while controlling the accelerator is also a great way to balance a car for various high-performance driving situations like slaloms on an autocross!
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If you're not using all 3 pedals at the same time you're not getting your money's worth.
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granny-shifting and not double-clutching, smdh
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XYZAB posted:As both a telehandler operator and someone who likes to put a small amount of load on an engine before moving from a dead stop for a more uniform and controllable acceleration depending on the power of said vehicle, I have to stop you right there, pal. Ah fair enough, maybe the program only triggers if you press down hard?
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He was as God made him, sir
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it's pretty sweet that I can clutch or just outright force my car into neutral if the accelerator ever gets stuck instead of having to turn a dial next to the AC that a computer locks out of gear changes while the car is in motion
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MrQwerty posted:it's pretty sweet that I can clutch or just outright force my car into neutral if the accelerator ever gets stuck instead of having to turn a dial next to the AC that a computer locks out of gear changes while the car is in motion IIRC of all the Toyota acceleration crashes none were in a manual car, probably for this reason. Those volume-knob auto shifters really sketch me out too.
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Pekinduck posted:IIRC of all the Toyota acceleration crashes none were in a manual car, probably for this reason. Those volume-knob auto shifters really sketch me out too. I remember when it happened, I was just like "why didn't they just shift the column to neutral," because they still had linear automatic shifter columns back then. then I remembered, I learned to drive on an automatic and haven't ever gone back since my second car was a manual; but I never really knew what the N was actually for on the automatic column before I learned to drive manual. It's just some thing that's there between D and P for most people driving an automatic transmission in an appliance car, not "N completely mechanically disconnects the drivetrain from the engine." At least, it did back then. MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Clearly the driver tried to go for the brake pedal but hit the break pedal by mistake??
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XYZAB posted:As [...] someone who likes to put a small amount of load on an engine Please stop hornyposting
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You don't have to worry about terminator cars spontaneously combusting or suddenly veering into a brick wall and instantly turning you into jelly if you travel by using a bicycle or maybe just walk 
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MrQwerty posted:It's just some thing that's there between D and P for most people driving an automatic transmission in an appliance car, Where do you put the R?
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wesleywillis posted:Where do you put the R? lmao idk I haven't driven an automatic outside a 2010s Subaru SMG or dash tree when I had to rent a uhaul in like 20 years, I don't even remember what that shift pattern looks like. R is at the very back isn't it? edit: just looked up the 84 toyota truck shifter I learned on and its P R N D 2 L with an overdrive button, poo poo. It's been so drat long. MrQwerty fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Nov 27, 2023 |
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Yeah, it used to not be standardized, but then sometime in (probably?) the early 60s it went from whatever the gently caress the manufacturer wanted to PRND........L
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wesleywillis posted:Yeah, it used to not be standardized, but then sometime in (probably?) the early 60s it went from whatever the gently caress the manufacturer wanted to PRND........L my shift pattern has been 1-4, 1-5, or 1-6 in a H-pattern with varying methods to get to reverse for 20 years so I'm completely out of touch with automatic transmissions to the point where I don't even remember what the standardized pattern I learned on looks like, ain't that a bitch
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Flashing back to some 80's SAAB and I was like WTF is going on down there???
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redshirt posted:Flashing back to some 80's SAAB and I was like WTF is going on down there??? Saab was all about doing things the oddest way possible and I love them for it
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XYZAB posted:This is actual live video of me in traffic as I write this post. Who the gently caress ties their laces like that? I feel sick get help
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Outrail posted:Who the gently caress ties their laces like that? I feel sick get help I can feel the aglets constantly poking my leg from here.
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MrQwerty posted:it's pretty sweet that I can clutch or just outright force my car into neutral if the accelerator ever gets stuck instead of having to turn a dial next to the AC that a computer locks out of gear changes while the car is in motion checkmate car drivers or "cagers" as i like to say
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