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SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Continuing a series watch with friends. It's such a fun ride, watching as the series slowly morphs from its uncertain and experimental start to getting more confident (and higher production value) as time goes on. What it loses in simple and engrossing stories with fear of the unknown it gains in a depthful and fun dramatic soap opera as the monsters of the week go up in quality drastically.

It does amuse me though as that happens. First season myth stuff is like "They follow a truck, it turns out to be empty" 4th season myth stuff is "Mulder's dad actually knew the bad guy all along and the family drama is spilling over into governmental conspiracies."

anyway thread for x-files.

David Duchovny is unironically hot.

also lol @ them having to one up fluke man with the season 4 opening monster of the week, good lord.

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SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

McGavin posted:

As someone who lived in Vancouver in the 90's, it is very hard to suspend my disbelief while watching the X-Files. I used to drive past the house from Home every day on my way to work.



https://www.google.com/maps/@49.095...i8192?entry=ttu


maybeadracula posted:

When the episode came on for the first time and it had a content warning I knew I was about to get some amazing poo poo

I told my watch party "Trigger warning: Yes" and gave them all PTSD it was great.

Hollismason posted:

It's good for like 5 seasons then it gets real bad then Mulder leaves and its terrible , then I heard it gets good briefly for a little while, then lovely again.

The reboot loving sucks, I liked it for a bit and then realized actually I was just craving what it used to be and this was nostalgia bait.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

redshirt posted:

Were people bad mouthing the X-Files OP?

Agent Scully was a hugely influential character.

No but I feel it's become somewhat lost to history.
Not quite as influential as Star Trek outside of its time period. Probably because it's harder to follow up on and not the sort of franchise you can set spinoffs in very easily.

I'd be up for a complete remake myself.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

maybeadracula posted:

I occasionally say "cerulean blue is a gentle breeze" when I see a blue truck and no one knows what the gently caress I'm on about

do you follow it up by asking people if they have stairs in their house.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

where did you get my drivers license photo.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Suspekt Device posted:

Was re-watching and noticing that it's episodes were like a who's who of really solid character actors. Like half the cast of Deadwood makes appearances. And also Ashyln Gere the pornstar!

We ended up accidentally tracing Amanda Tapping's career: We watched a goosebumps around Halloween that had her, then came across her in an X-files, just before we started SG1.

"Hold on, your train is coming."

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Cornwind Evil posted:

I think if Chris Carter could go back to the start of it and do it again, I think he might have just decided to abandon the series long conspiracy arc and just do Monster of the Week episodes. They hold up a lot better than the 'making it up as he goes along, ends up a tangled mess of like seven different plotlines which eventually involved Mulder's missing sister having been rescued by angels or something like that'.

Just don't do the soap opera parts.
The myth arc being a clusterfuck is fine and leads to some extremely good stuff (the hostage taking but also aliens) but has some incredibly weird and confusing bits (the one episode where the narrative tension is entirely based on them not answering their phones at the right time, repeatedly.)

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Suspekt Device posted:

I remember in sixth grade my friend was telling me about an episode with a fat vampire and I was like "yeah the one with the fat kid from the sandlot I've seen it". He was like "huh?" and went on to describe a totally different episode about a vampire that preys on overweight women through aol chatrooms who subsequently eats their fat when they meet up with him. And he was played by the bad guy from Beverly Hills Cop 3.

the best part about it is the heaviest one is like, 165 at best.
they barely even look overweight, what a world the 90s was

half the loving town in the Cher episode is fatter!

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

SweetMercifulCrap! posted:

I think it's funny, and by funny I mean depressing, how in the 90's we were all like, yeah man, aliens are real and the government is covering it up, and if they're willing to cover that up, who knows what else they're hiding from us!"

and today, the government told us "so yeah, UFOs are real" and nobody even cared because we've all seen how blatantly everything is corrupt and manipulated right out in the open and nothing is done about it because there are no consequences for those responsible.

But yeah I did love those monster of the week episodes as a kid, but couldn't ever follow the overarching plots.

ufos were always real, saying so changes nothing though because we don't know what they are.
the shift in "swamp gas" to "I don't loving know," doesn't ultimately change anything.
even if you announced tomorrow that we have solid evidence that at least one UFO was an alien probe, proving intelligent life exists somewhere- what does that mean, to you and me, right now? nothing really, it's just really loving cool.

It is however representative of a loss of faith in the state itself. In 1992 society viewed the state as hyper-competent enough to run a vast conspiracy involving alien entities which is both preventing the public from finding out about them, and secretly trying to stab them in the back after making a deal with them.

you can't do that after trump won.

President Trump, 1993, would have mumbled about the Project on Fox News and gotten us all killed immediately.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009



The only one I could find is kinda scuffed, why the gently caress is getting the original poster so hard now? I miss the one I got in 2012.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Vakal posted:

probably could just print your own

on poster print of that size and quality?
it'd end up running me more than the 15 bucks this was, it's just weird how it has JPEG artifacts.

E: Wait a second this is an entirely different poster and also not the same as what's pictured, goddamnit amazon.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

this poster continues to baffle me, it's like x-files at home
is the original copywrited? would a poster store even care?

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

I got a refund for the x-files at home poster and get to keep it, yay.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Skinner starting to go shirtless more in mid season 4 is big time funny, they knew what they were doing.
also "everything sucks for Krychek" is the best part of the soap opera era.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

MrQwerty posted:

lol Skinner was a Githzerai in a highly-acclaimed CRPG decades before Baldur's Gate 3

what holy poo poo
I love Planescape and I never knew.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

AKA Pseudonym posted:

What fun about this is that if you listen closely enough it becomes pretty clear that it's addressed to an alien

lmao it's a country love sonnet to a grey
that's loving inspired.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

I had no idea the poster changed in early season 4, I thought it was after the office burned.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Hyrax Attack! posted:

Yeah there are quite a few nothing eps, especially early on that there aren’t any really good reasons to watch except for completionist purposes. Like early Simpsons having clip shows, can watch if you want but why?

lol just remembered a Lone Gunman episode where they have a working car engine that runs off water instead of gasoline but they don’t release it as they somehow think it will be worse for the environment. Never mind that such a device would easily mean safe & free infinite heat, power, etc as well as taking a lot of power from some of the worst autocracies, and make blood for oil wars obsolete. But no, this will clearly result in more roads so Lone Gunmen are vetoing.

The rationale is it would be bad because so many people would be making these engines the resource drain would outstrip the benefits.

It's possibly the dumbest conclusion in TV history.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Shaman Tank Spec posted:

There was also the late 90s revival of the Outer Limits, which I remember being REALLY into. I think there was a point pretty early on where the X-Files was busy jumping up its own rear end and our sci-fi fan crew in high school just collectively agreed that Outer Limits was by then the superior show.

Outer limits starts around Season 3 of X-Files, just where the myth arc starts to get spotty- but at the peak of overall quality.
It goes on to 2002, and if it was good around season 6 (When the X-Files was showing it's whole rear end) in 99 then I can definitely see this!

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

mulder met a fitness instructor who's x-file is that she has tooms like flexibility

he died shortly after this was taken.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

An X-Files reboot can work if it's ballsy enough to completely reinvent the formula.
in which case it's not the x-files so why bother.

BRAND RECOGNITION BAYBEEE

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Watched FPS with my friend group today to explain why we won't be going past the end of season 6.

We're convinced as a group that the episode was an executive mandate and the writers intended it as a joke/satire- yet look who wrote and directed it. This wasn't ironic at all.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Houle posted:

One thing that bugged me is that whenever someone dies Carter kept saying no one really stays dead in the X-Files. Which....other than one, maybe two cases is complete horseshit.

I also grimace at the later episodes where it comes across as really antivax.

Kind of a hindsight thing. This was before Wakefield, and it's implied the vaccines did work- just that the program was cover for genetic sampling too.
The whole Syndicate's plan is to Create a vaccination for the alien parasite/black goo secretly after making a deal with them to release a virus to cripple the world in 2012 for their invasion [and create hybrid slaves]. They're playing both sides, ostensibly, trying to make themselves and choice others survive. The stretch-goal was finding a way to genocide the aliens. The implication being the secrecy wasn't so much about us finding out- it was them. If they find out X-Files becomes X-Com very quickly. Unfortunately when a splinter faction of aliens tried to overthrow the overall government, the syndicate chose to be loyalist and hedge their bets- and all died. It's implied the rebellion failed either way.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

did bad blood tonight

loving wild episode love it, probably the series peak

I've decided to call it a close after we finish S6

Season 5 is kind of a rollercoaster for quality

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

lol season 5 has a scene where they just used the name of a BC dam and set it in PA.

I recognized it BECAUSE I'VE BEEN THERE.

E: And so many episodes set in a strangely humid and cold part of Texas.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

There are rebel aliens of the same species as the bounty hunter guys who sealed their face openings so they couldn't be infected. They were fighting the alien colonists, but since the alien colonists were working with the human syndicate most of their targets were humans or human/alien hybrids so they weren't exactly friends to humanity.

You know what never made sense to me? Scully and Mulder discover people and beings with fantastic abilities like controlling electricity, psychic projection, a legitimate genie, and none of them get weaponized for use against the world-ending alien threat.

It's heavily implied (and maybe direct with the murder shadow guy) that the syndicate has been following up afterwards to kidnap and experiment on these people. It's also implied this is the only reason the X-Files are allowed to exist.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

We're 12 episodes from wrapping up. Finished the myth arc (as far as I'm concerned) after the movie with Two Fathers/One Son. Did the weird S6 finale and S7 start too, they're a weird little bit.

It was amazing how hard Season 6 completely retcons the movie and has to remove the tension and stakes it created. Scully pretends it never happened, and they spend the entire season 6 premiere basically erasing it. The mid-season ending of the syndicate is still what I think is a good conclusion to that arc.

Then we have a bunch of bangers like the Groundhog Day episode, alien baseball, triangle and Dreamland. You can definitely feel though that there's a softness to the series now. The tone and feel has shifted from TNG to Voyager, and all of the edges are softened off. Season 6 feels like X-Files in retirement, it's already peaked and is just wrapping things up and having some fun with its budget. Unfortunately, it continued.

We only watched two season 7 episodes. FPS, to prove why we won't be watching any more, and X-Cops (which was very well received by the gang.)

SRQ fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jan 20, 2024

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

SRQ posted:

We're 12 episodes from wrapping up. Finished the myth arc (as far as I'm concerned) after the movie with Two Fathers/One Son. Did the weird S6 finale and S7 start too, they're a weird little bit.

It was amazing how hard Season 6 completely retcons the movie and has to remove the tension and stakes it created. Scully pretends it never happened, and they spend the entire season 6 premiere basically erasing it. The mid-season ending of the syndicate is still what I think is a good conclusion to that arc.

Then we have a bunch of bangers like the Groundhog Day episode, alien baseball, triangle and Dreamland. You can definitely feel though that there's a softness to the series now. The tone and feel has shifted from TNG to Voyager, and all of the edges are softened off.

We only watched two season 7 episodes. FPS, to prove why we won't be watching any more, and X-Cops (which was very well received by the gang.)

12 episodes remain. I am going to end it with a season 10 episode, just one, that you all are probably aware of but I'm keeping secret. Including in this post!!! No spoilers!!!!!

E: Oh dear that was a quote.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Octy posted:

Go back and watch 'Hungry'. I think it's one of the best episodes in the entire run.

I'll add it then.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Bonzo posted:

When people complain about LOST not having a well thought out ending I tell them to go watch X-Files and get back to me.

X-Files ended in the middle of season 6 and I will die on that hill.
This even fits with the "5 seasons and a movie" idea.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Man season 6 really is so, so weak and it just gets worse.
It goes way beyond not taking itself too seriously, and just isn't serious. Outside of a few bangers it's extremely limp trash.
Triangle is amazing and worth the entire season, but it should have died here.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

It was an age where conspiracy theorists were harmless kooks and the conspiracies were interested in things we didn't know about but should: UFOs, Governmental spying, paranormal. Things that didn't have evidence, but people thought evidence should exist for. The basis being that mainstream media and news is a disinformation agenda covering up the evidence.

2023 conspiracy theory goes the other direction: Things that have _plenty_ of evidence, but it's ignored in favour of a disinformation agenda. (Vaccines.)

Anyway 4 episodes remain. Jesus Christ Season 6 is so bad that in hindsight we should have skipped all of it except the known good ones. I really, greatly, dislike the one with the authors works coming to life. It's stupid and vain and completely up its own rear end while also making Scully out to be a "lonely woman who needs a man" archetype which I deeply deeply hate.
The lone gunman episode near the end has the tone of a children's TV show (despite some gore), and overall the season complete fails to have real tension or fear and instead has devolved into Goosebumps for Adults.

SRQ fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Jan 25, 2024

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

The new seasons completely nuked suspension of disbelief by trying to merge Chris Carter's political anger at Trump (Which is justified! I'm not putting on a maga hat!) and having the X-Files exist in a universe where Trump is president too.

Calling him an idiot in the premiere was cheeky. Having Mulder and Scully repeatedly reference him was annoying and ruined the escapism. Also smokey becomes a cosmic horror sith like palpatine or something.

Seeing the viral plague get released was fun but was nested in a pile of garbage

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

databasic posted:

:hmmyes: you are absolutely right and I am familiar with this term because I have had qualitative engagement with the X-Files fan community (rather than just watching it on my own and not really talking to anyone about it like a weird little dope).

In 2016 I was definitely too stoned to notice this. I might try to find it streaming soon, though.

disney plus has the whole series

disney sucks but it's kinda worth it just to have simpsons white noise on demand tbh

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Our watch gang has finished. Hungry was a good suggestion, but marred by season 7 being tired and lazy.
Lost Art of Forehead Sweat is the perfect episode to end off on. It's deconstruction of the show and meta-narrative of how rebooting it will never work is great. It's also proof of why Season 10/11 suck rear end with the lame trump jokes.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

poronty posted:

As much as I still enjoy the title tune and some of Mark Snow's more "featured" pieces of music for the show, like 80% of his incidental background music was just an incredibly cheap-sounding random string of lovely notes. For most of the time it just sounds like he put his cat on a fisher price keyboard set to "cheap rear end sounding violin", and let it walk up and down the keyboard for two minutes. Bing bang there's your score, where's my paycheck. Gahh it's been tiresome to listen to that droning plaintive crap, even though I've been enjoying most of my nth rewatch otherwise (just started S5).

It's good in the first four seasons, tired in season 5, and for season 6 he gives up and it just repeats the movie tracks FOR THE ENTIRE loving SEASON.

The cool sombre version of the main tune gets tiring fast.

Also I really like the movie and season 6 should have just focused (arc wise) on the syndicate failing. Lol that the ultimate myth arc conclusion was actually "except for alien rebels, we actually lost and the world was going to end."

I would've had the colonists find out about Purity myself- maybe with some comeuppance that the rebels tell them after the syndicate betrayed them. Leave it with the hanging but not quite explained implication that the colonization started, and you either end the series or have a few seasons to deal with that.

I like to think that X-Files ends just as X-Com begins, which actually works quite well: X-Com begins in late 1999, right as the syndicate gets wiped out, and world militaries noticing something weird is afoot but being outside of the conspiracy makes the creation of a secret anti-alien agency make sense.

SRQ fucked around with this message at 10:06 on Jan 27, 2024

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Jimbone Tallshanks posted:

What do you mean "find out about Purity?"

Purity Control I mean I guess.
The syndicate was attempting to find a cure for the virus just as they were working to create a hybrid. The whole concept, and a fun bit of the narrative, is that they were actually more scared of the aliens finding out about than than the public- because then the aliens would squash them like a bug for bullshitting them.

The conspiracy is an onion:

UFOs exist, and are dangerous. (The army group we see in season 1/2) -> UFOs exist, and so do live ETs. (The trucker, the inner circles of the syndicate and the biologists, most high ranking politicians) -> ETs exist, and we made a deal with them to create a hybrid (The inner circle of syndicate biologists.) -> ETs exist, we made a deal with them to surrender Earth, and we're attempting to stab them in the back. (The core council of the syndicate only.)

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Season 2-4 is absolute peak, it's still gritty and has real tension but develops itself better.

Do not watch all of season 6 and do not watch 7 except x-cops, I honestly think that was a mistake in our watching and deflated it.

SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Pocket Billiards posted:

Just about to watch the final episode of Season 11. Have done the full run, every episode from the start.

Got as far as the movie when it first aired after losing interest in Season 5.

I feel like I should get drunk or something afterwards. It's basically the only thing I've watched for like a year

you poor man

spoil me with how the clusterfuck narrative of the reboot ends, I gave up at the start of S11.

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SRQ
Nov 9, 2009

Bonzo posted:

Space is the worst episode but most people forget about it since it's early in season 1.

Disagree, space is slow and pondering but doesn't do anything insultingly bad and at least the monster is kinda neat.

Bad episodes are painful. Like FPS is legitimately painful to watch.

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