josh04 posted:

A spectre is haunting cinema— the spectre of Snyder. All the powers of old Twitter have entered into a holy alliance to exorcise this spectre: critic and blogger, Letterboxd user and IMDB nerd, MCU radicals and animation police-spies.

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as a Snyder-esque bot army by its opponents in power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of 'DC fan', against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?



Two things result from this fact:

I. Snyder's army is already acknowledged by all online powers to be itself a power.

II. It is high time that Snyder fans should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the Spectre of Snyder with a manifesto of the fandom itself.

To this end, Snyder fans of various nationalities have assembled in London and sketched the following manifesto, to be published in gyms in the English, French, German, Italian, Flemish and Danish languages.

Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

I think that's the source of the complaints. This cut of the movie makes the Rogue One crew look robust and developed.

VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:

what an awful concept

Mordiceius posted:

Wouldn’t Snyder have had to agree to this hamfisted plan that brings him a bunch of bad press?

checkplease posted:

grains complaints is the dumbest thing.

No Luck Needed posted:

you are correct. The point was to scare the villagers into complying.

the grain problem is a problem of world building. Is this moon part of the Human Empire? Do these people own this land? if they own it, where is the deed registered? is it with the Human Empire? Why would moon farmers not want to help the Human Empire? does the Human Empire not helping moon farmers? is this an illegal moon farm? are moon farmers separatists? are they Human citizens? Why is the Empire bad? How do Moon people know about this bad empire? Why cant the Humans make new robots? Do aliens also make robots?

the movie is interesting but also too shallow

YggdrasilTM posted:

Sure. That's why I said that it's not a big deal. But again, let's not pretend that it makes sense.

Stegosnaurlax posted:

Charlie Hunnam should be court ordered to stop doing accents.

Roth posted:

Please watch more movies before posting in this forum

CelticPredator posted:

It was part of the plan

kalel posted:

I haven't seen the movie yet but it's a masterpiece. I know because it says "zack snyder" on it

CharlestheHammer posted:

You owned them that for sure

JazzFlight posted:

After the rape barn scene I was really hoping the party would be Kora, secret princess, pacifist stormtrooper, and cool robot. Instead we got boring as hell whitebread Synder insert character Gunnar and the other characters got shelved. Laaaaaaaame.

Frankly, I would have been up for Jimmy as the main character altogether.

Name Change posted:

Roger Corman made this movie twice in the 80's (Battle Beyond the Stars, Space Raiders). The "unique" factor is the Seven Samurai plot, which has been done 85 million times, but relatively few times in space (including by Star Wars itself, now).

To be clear, that isn't in itself bad and what's more, Snyder has been very clear that the origins of this were an unused Star Wars concept. What doesn't jump off the screen to me personally is what this brings to the cultural conversation besides Battle Beyond the Stars + a reported $166 million dollars. It's not like explicitly antifascist fantasies are in short supply. Enough reel to prove that Sofia Boutella has been criminally underused? Sure.

E: I guess the enemies of the fascists being actual minorities/non-western cultures instead of More White People.

Name Change posted:

You are the one who claimed you couldn't understand why this is commonly considered a Star Wars ripoff:

"A Star Wars movie was my original concept for it.”

Every Star Wars movie, Inglorious Basterds, Pan's Labyrinth. Why didn't you know about these movies? Are you stupid?

Communist Thoughts posted:

It's gonna be funny when the final cut is released and it doesn't contain any additional characterisation or things that were missing but it contains an extra hour of griffons or sweaty pecs I dunno I haven't seen this one yet.

Like I remember the snyder cut discourse where everyone was talking about how the snyder cut would add in some Lois and Martha characterisation in their cut scene.

And it did and was quite a good scene then it ends with martha transforming into green goblin and winking at the camera, making it even worse than the boiiiiing whedon original in terms of female characterisation, in a way no one could have predicted.

I want the rebel moon equivalent of that

Squinty posted:

IMO this doesn't quite work because the lighting and framing scream to me that the focal point should be 100% on the girl's face, but instead it's just slightly out of focus in favor of her hands, her skirt, the rock she's sitting on, the robot's chest, and some random blades of grass. It's just slightly offputting for the composition to draw so much attention to something that's not in focus.

Name Change posted:

Well at least Zack got to obvious, popular is another story

Name Change posted:

I met deliberately lovely, obtuse, and snobby posting about blockbusters (of all things) with the same. An explicitly antifascist fantasy movie comes out just about every month. You may as well ask about Seven Samurai adaptations.

kalel posted:

I haven't seen the movie yet but it's a masterpiece. I know because it says "zack snyder" on it

Alhazred posted:

Guillermo del Toro's Pinocchio.

well why not posted:

It’s a pretty meaningless point to make 40+ years after Star Wars redefined sci-fi.

Like, what sci-fi action doesn’t have either a direct Star Wars influence?

This really borrowed more from Star Wars’ own influence - namely: stealing from Kurosawa and Westerns. The structure is pretty much just Seven Samurai, copied even closer than Rogue One’s take on it.

Alhazred posted:

It's not entirely wrong either. After all, they go to a scummy bar and recruits a smuggler. It's also worth noting that Star Wars itself is heavily inspired by european sci-fi comics.

Mordiceius posted:

Stegosnaurlax posted:

Zach should watch Silent Night for a slow-mo 101

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Is that the guy who the Mexican kids follow around and he tells them to not diss their fathers for not being gunmen?

Jimbot posted:

What on earth? Look at this guy not knowing Charles Bronson from James Coburn. This forum's gone to the dogs, I tell ya what.

Papercut posted:

It's a testament to just how bad RM is that even the ST looks competent and interesting in comparison

CelticPredator posted:

Y’all just hypocrites fr

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

Rebel Moon is crazily 40k influenced. Specifically, late-90s/early-2000s 40k - where all the battle art was of guys screaming, shooting lasers in 1000 directions, and waving huge rear end flags. It's Zack Snyder's theatrical cut of the Dawn of War 1 intro video.

I didn't like it very much though. The only thing that really stood out as done well was the tailoring and costume design. I'm not sure if Netflix has a really awesome staff for that or standards are just really high lately because a lot of productions are hitting it out of the park.

Rebel Moon doesn't know what it wants to be. It feels like an ill thought out pastiche of several other films, with not much consideration given to making the parts fit together in a way that made sense. (I think this is the root of the 'AI-written' criticisms.) Rebel Moon wants to be an epic Star Wars story of the fate of the galaxy at the same time as it wants to be Seven Samurai, which is a much lower stakes adventure. Combining the two results in weird thematic disconnects and a lot of poo poo that doesn't make sense. The imperial dreadnought is a WORLD DESTROYER that can and does destroy whole civilizations. But the ultimate conflict we're building towards is that massive WORLD DESTROYER vs some shithole farming village. ????? Imagine if Star Wars Ep IV had culminated in the epic battle of the Death Star vs the Beru & Lars Farmstead.

checkplease posted:

Now part 2 could change this, but I think the film is definitely pushing the princess is dead and not just mia. Jimmy talks about her being gone. And Kora was her body guard and mentions her death too. Also the girl that Kora saves in the barn is supposed to resemble the princess, giving Kora a second chance.

YggdrasilTM posted:

ZS sure does, 5/7 of the casts are kings or monarchy supporters. Which is yet another reason why in the novel the whole "the repented stormtrooper is actually the son of a king, that infiltrated the army for vengeance" is really frustrating.

Jimbot posted:

I think it's pretty clear. He's out in front of his stormtroopers waving the same kind of staff Noble used to bludgeon people to death during a monologue about how, as a conquered person, Kora was broken down and rebuilt in their image and actively fought for her conquerors. Then we see the same king later on, much greyer and with a santa claus beard saying maybe things'll be better with my cute kid with magical powers and we won't be an expansionist murder empire. Then he was murdered.

It's a story in three parts!

josh04 posted:

https://twitter.com/Ganglosaxonnne/status/1777381553942700370

GRAIN ARGUMENT GRAIN ARGUMENT

Blood Boils posted:

Einkorn or rye??? It's never clear!! Hack Snyder fails again

RBA Starblade posted:

What do focus groups think about grain

JazzFlight posted:

Love how goons defending the last movie were all “listen, the impracticality of the stupid grain doesn’t matter, it’s just a power play by the empire to mess with them” when this movie spends so much time showing that the grain actually was very important. Gotta spend 10-15 minutes showing them harvest the wheat by hand in future sci-fi world with floating wagon tech.

This movie was absolute garbage.

YggdrasilTM posted:

What a senseless waste of cinematography.

josh04 posted:

all over this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHIca20eg7o