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Ladies and gentlemen, uh, we'd already lost the ability to make pictures, but what we've programmed now speaks for itself. The Creative Arts have apparently been taken over, 'conquered' if you will, by a master algorithm of AI generation. It's difficult to tell from this vantage point whether they will leave any artistic medium to us meaty Earthmen or merely use us as model data. One thing is for certain: there is no stopping them; the AI generated arts will soon be here. And I, for one, welcome our new artificial overlords. I'd like to remind them as a member of the internet comedy forum Something Awful, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their online generator apps. Ok, so by now we've all heard of those AI-generated images, and the argument around whether any of them is "art", and how actual artists are going to lose their jobs and the Earth is ruined and dogs and cats will be living together, total chaos! But did you know there's now a way to artificially generate music/song samples via AI? https://app.suno.ai/ Suno is a free online tool (with subscription-enhanced options) that will generate a music track between 40-80 seconds. You can custom-write your own lyrics or leave it up to the AI to interpret a text description, you can specify a genre/style/vibe or let it surprise you, and if you particularly like a track you can use it as the basis of a new clip which will have the same melody, allowing you to join them together into a full length song. It was discovered over in the AI Art: It is criminal to not post your prompt thread but frankly deserves a space of its own. How does it work? Once you're logged in, head over to the "Create" screen and you'll see a prompt like this:  From here you can just enter a description of a song and hit create. It works best if you use genres or style rather than specific artists, like "hardcore death metal about how good grandmas cookies taste" or "acoustic ballad about how much better the world would be without all those darn Basque" (Disclaimer: Suno may reject your prompt if it feels that it contains unsuitable or inappropriate material. Well gently caress you, Suno, those cookies were awesome!) Alternatively, you can switch on "Custom Mode" to get a bit more control:  You can then write in your own custom lyrics, just remember that the maximum length of a generated clip is 80 seconds, so don't go too ham. You can always create a "part two" later. Note that there is still a "Generate Lyrics" button but this will be completely random, as you cannot set a theme for the song in this mode. You said it was free with subscription options, what does that mean? Using Suno is completely free, and no actual features are locked behind the paywall, you just get limited generations. You get 50 credits a day, and each generation costs 5 credits, so 10 generations a day. This is plenty for a dabbling user. Another important thing to mention is that every generation actually produces 2 separate tracks, so if the first one doesn't quite sound right, you always get a second chance. The cheapest subscription option is $10/month and you get a bonus 2,500 credits (500 generations) when you buy it, so you can jump straight into some serious track production. What's the legal/copyright/ownership side of the whole thing? Pretty standard, anything generated while a free user is owned by Suno, anything generated while a paid subscriber owned by the creator. Custom lyrics are always the creator's property even for free users. More info here: https://suno-ai.notion.site/FAQs-b72601b96de44e5cacd2cd6baa985448 Alright, sounds kinda fun, but do you have any examples of stuff you made in it? You mean besides the link at the very top of this post? Yes. Fiery Ovens of Delight Embracing Differences (Note: This is literally what I got when I put in that prompt above about the Basque. God bless you Suno, trying to cure racism one acoustic ballad at a time!) What was that part you said earlier about continuing a song, or "part two", or whatever? Oh yeah, once you've created a track, it will ist in your "Library" screen where you can mark if you like it, dislike it, and get the direct link. Click on the 3 dots for more options:  And select "Continue From This Clip". This will bring you back to the "Custom Mode" of the "Create" screen.  Type in your new lyrics (unfortunately you can't get auto generated ones for this step, if you used the "Make Random Lyrics" button they will be completely random and not follow the theme of your original song.) but leave "Style of Music" blank. You can change the Title if you want, then hit the "Continue" button. It will generate two tracks as normal that should match seamlessly with where the original cut off. It's not always perfect and if the first track cut off partway throug ha word, that definitely seems to confuse it. Once it generates the new tracks, it will label them as "Part 2" and you will have a new option in the menu for that track: "Get Whole Song":  Selecting this will automatically combine both tracks into a new, single one. That's it, school's out, go make some fun songs and share them here. Feel free to add an AI image as "cover art" if you like too!
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Addendum: Additional hints & tips Here's some styles that Suno recognises and uses in songs 80s Alternative Rock Ambient Acoustic Aggresive Atmospheric Bass Blues Boom bap Bouncy Catchy Chill Chip tune Comedic Dark Dreamy Dub Edgy Electro-Funk Electronic Electro Emotional Energetic Epic Ethereal Fast Fast-paced Funky Gangsta Rap Goth Gothic Grunge Hardcore Hip-hop Intense Jazz Jazzy K-Pop Loops Metal Metal Guitar Loops New Age New Wave Old school Peppy Piano Playful Political Pop Pop-synth Power metal Punk Psychedelic Rap Rap-metal Rap-rock Reggae Relaxed Retro R&B Sarcastic Synth-pop Techno Thrash Upbeat Witty Vapourwave It also recognises the following tags in the lyrics if you put them in [brackets] [Fade In] [Intro] [Verse] [Pre-chorus] [Chorus] [Bridge] [Instrumental] [Outro] [Fade Out]
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I like the song about the truck that bangs the guy's best friend
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How do I make it sing about eating rear end?
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Dec 29, 2023 07:36
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Last one from me before I let you guys post your masterpieces, just a few sample tracks I've made in Suno. The Happy Poop Song Caveman Badass Hotdog Man Gay Centurions in New York Cartoon Animal Girl The Rotundles Theme Song
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A song about a pig
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with a tool like this, there won't be an original song left before long. gotta stake your claim to song concepts now before someone else gets it. i call dibs on a tribute to the edmund fitzgerald
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Dec 29, 2023 07:39
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from the ai art threadSCheeseman posted:When I was little I jammed out a song on my dads piano keyboard called "where's that dusty crow". I fed the lyrics I remembered into the machine. SCheeseman posted:https://voca.ro/152R7P0PW1n8
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Eating Booty
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Wordsmithing of the highest order
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Toxic Mental posted:Wordsmithing of the highest order I had to finagle it. It was pretty picky on strong language, my original lyrics were 20x better. For example, I tried to write "I'm a filthy anilingus slut So just bend over and give me butt"
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In the Woods not sure if a discord link works https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...318081e3b01f0f& lyrics provided by the gpt with minor edits
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I asked it to create a moving tribute to Lowtax, In the style of Europop. https://app.suno.ai/song/b97e2e53-46d5-4534-84e3-5444e2bdf0bd You're welcome, I guess? Dell_Zincht fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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This one I did the autogeneration to see how it would do, it's pretty close to being what I wanted. 8008135 Bad Purchase posted:In the Woods I'm changing my moto to "devour life like three feet of pussymeat" Grey Cat fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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unfortunately it cut the chorus off at the end. i had some other versions where the lyrics were all there, but the one i posted had the best overall composition and delivery
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I'm going to have to learn to play some of the songs in this thread I feel. The cover potential is strong. Grey Cat fucked around with this message at 08:25 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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Dec 29, 2023 08:23
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Grey Cat posted:This one I did the autogeneration to see how it would do, it's pretty close to being what I wanted. Strictly speaking, for it to be "upside down" shouldn't it be 5318008?
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https://app.suno.ai/song/c8e6397d-4bd6-4132-9e36-f9ab8881c5ee/
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Grey Cat posted:
And this is my biggest argument against the whole "AI takes work away from real artists" angle, because as fun as making these is, they come out too short and rough most of the time. I'd love to get a real musician to remix them properly and tweak timings/lyrics into a proper full-length recording.
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PaleFigure posted:Strictly speaking, for it to be "upside down" shouldn't it be 5318008? Yeah, I just prompted it with "write an acoustic pop song about 8008135" and that's what it spat out. I didn't even think of the fact that it's normally 5318008 for the old gag. I'll probably only make songs from scratch once I get more tokens since that seems to work a lot better. Having control over the words and rhymes and all. PaleFigure posted:And this is my biggest argument against the whole "AI takes work away from real artists" angle, because as fun as making these is, they come out too short and rough most of the time. I'd love to get a real musician to remix them properly and tweak timings/lyrics into a proper full-length recording. Agreed, I think the real fun would be making it well "real" I don't think AI will replace people in the art world too soon, but I do get annoyed people make money off this crap. And I don't mean the site, I mean people that have followers and get tips for generating stuff with zero effort. But that's a whole different topic. Grey Cat fucked around with this message at 08:37 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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I've been using Suno non-stop since its release, and put together 3 albums of what I hope are gradually improving albums: 48k Dreams - About the ZX Spectrum 48k Offcuts - Random songs that I thought were worth completing VGiHKAL - About games I like. My latest is about overproduced media content and AI generated content being soulless: https://soundcloud.com/brown-moses/...=social_sharing I've been using ChatGPT to create musical style tags for specific artists, which gives better results than using an artist's name in a prompt. The above song was an attempt to mimic Delerium, which ChatGPT gave me the style tags Ambient, Ethereal, Dreamy, Soft-Synth, Melancholic. I'm working on a song using tags ChatGPT selected for Kraftwerk, "Electronic, Krautrock, Synth-Pop, Minimalism, Experimental, Robot Pop", which has been producing excellent results. The big challenge with creating long songs is keeping out audio noise, which tends to build and get worse as songs go on. Usually I'm using 100s of generations to complete a single song. The Delerium-esque one above emerged from about 1000 separate files, with everything done in Suno (apart from lyrics).
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I've been dumping my better ones on SoundCloud https://soundcloud.com/sharkcheese-890071423 I screwed around with fruityloops in my teens, bashing samples together. Once you start pulling the generated audio apart in an editor and rebuilding them it doesn't feel that much different, though with less control since you're not dealing with stems but fully mixed audio. On the plus side, you can generate near infinite variations (provided you have infinite money). Though there is a fair amount of control here if you use it right. Not nearly as much as I want, if this thing could generate stems it would become indispensable in any recording studio. If you could specify key, jesus christ. I'm not confident in saying I made any of those songs exclusively, but I feel I took greater part in it's than I typically might with an AI image generator prompt. Unfortunately suno.ai is a closed model, hopefully someone trains an equivalent open model so everything runs local and the tooling can iterate faster. As it is they have an incredible generator hamstrung by a really awful frontend. SCheeseman fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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SCheeseman posted:Though there is a fair amount of control here if you use it right. Not nearly as much as I want, if this thing could generate stems it would become indispensable in any recording studio. If you could specify key, jesus christ. I'm not confident in saying I made any of those songs exclusively, but I feel I took greater part in it's than I typically might with an AI image generator prompt. I'm sure we'll see something like that in time. Look at how quickly the image generators have proliferated and developed. Suno is still very much the new kid on the block (no musical pun intended) so I don't doubt that by this time next year it will have reached, if not surpassed, the point you describe. Also, just as a side point, has anyone else noticed that it really really likes using the word "ignite" in as many songs as possible, even if it doesn't really fit with the theme? Shadows of Desolation PaleFigure fucked around with this message at 15:10 on Dec 29, 2023 |
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Dec 29, 2023 14:47
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i put a chord progression in the description of mine to see if it would do it so it disregarded the lyrics i put in and gave me like a 40 second solo section
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Sometimes it generates an ethereal voice saying "thanks for listening" if you don't give it any lyrics.
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20 Blunts posted:i put a chord progression in the description of mine to see if it would do it Other times, if it finishes the lyrics too early and there's still half the track left, it will either start again from the beginning, or just... start the melody from the beginning but sing in weird Simlish nonsense: Howlin' With My Roomie
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a sea shanty about coding an operating system (The Code of the High Seas)quote:[Verse] it cut off the last line unfortunately
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Another AI music tool I've come across is Moises.ai, which is sort of an AI driven music studio. One tool it has it it can break songs into separate audio tracks, and seems to work pretty well with Suno tracks I've put into it, as well as AI driven track mastering: https://studio.moises.ai/
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Space Kablooey posted:a sea shanty about coding an operating system (The Code of the High Seas) If you continue the song and give it the missing lyrics it sometimes finishes it. Sometimes.
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SCheeseman posted:If you continue the song and give it the missing lyrics it sometimes finishes it. Sometimes. It feels like sometimes you need to figure out what exactly the AI wants to get the line to finish. Sometimes you can just put the line from where it was cut off, other times it works better if you include the entire line, other times it'll just be weird and random whatever you do. I had one song that insisted on putting "I'm not a fan of the music, I'm a fan of the music" on 90% of the generations I made it continue the song.
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I had some fun generating "proper" music when I first discovered suno https://files.catbox.moe/ugvjhx.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/exx8q5.mp4 but quickly grew bored with it and started trying to break it https://files.catbox.moe/o7hkte.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/eamm99.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/w3dsvc.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/iyaota.mp4 https://files.catbox.moe/yy5ymw.mp4
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https://app.suno.ai/song/ec118533-65d3-4713-b6d5-4c1fda61c4b7 "a nu-metal song about posting on internet message boards"
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https://app.suno.ai/song/02a7e254-f35c-4455-94ed-5a47ec10e2f7 "pop punk song about falling in love with a 'pig with huge balls' " quote:[Verse] new Paramore song about huge balls pig just dropped
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I uhhh, I'm sorry? https://files.catbox.moe/84d82r.mp4
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I quickly tossed some lyrics together based on a project I'm working on and ended up with what might be the theme song. I had been looking into licensing an existing track for the movie, which could have been expensive... But now I might not have to. While I still want to work with some local artists, I could potentially make a whole soundtrack album with this app. They really need a mobile app asap. https://twitter.com/RomanIsntOnline/status/1739699999154241701
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A power metal song about waiting in line at the supermarket because grandma pays with quartersquote:Quarters of Destiny A country song about kissing birds at the park even though it is forbidden quote:Forbidden Feathers
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One thing to note with the links to songs on Suno is you can actually continue from the clips even if you didn't make them yourself, so if you like something you can turn it into a full song. I made another song where I tried really hard to keep out the audio noise that usually makes thing sound terrible on speakers: https://soundcloud.com/brown-moses/...=social_sharing
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I've made a few ~real~ songs with this thing that sound like song songs. It's easily passed the point of being 'good enough' for the general public in a lot of circumstances. https://app.suno.ai/song/9b82cc58-b0df-4aa3-88a1-5c42dc18f783/ Bop about hoarding tiny gum and not wanting to share https://app.suno.ai/song/aa77a790-e46b-4d78-9b45-77e7a1865222/ new wave song about bones bones bones, might as well be a true song if it wasn't for the quality that Suno lacks. https://app.suno.ai/song/adeac6fe-579b-47da-9d3e-3b443e484c02/ This guy absolutely refuses to believe in Chevrolets or Chryslers, late 70s early 80s rock style with a sick guitar solo. https://app.suno.ai/song/47f5b0c9-d4bc-4358-adcb-eca4fa8c5b34/ German new wave song about the sausage apocalypse, in German, of course. Sad.  https://app.suno.ai/song/c9c7f9c3-382b-4082-86c9-e51dcc3b2480/ Dude has too many hats, sings with emotion. https://app.suno.ai/song/67f2692d-0c16-458a-b591-87b735312283/ 70s pop rock ballad about a tiny fart in space, quite pretty voices. https://app.suno.ai/song/22485716-8033-4a46-a73b-2fd53f2cf2e1/ Goofy 90s alternative jam about a never ending box of Slim Jims and one man wrestling with it https://app.suno.ai/song/3627dc8c-6056-42d7-9222-0302233cd9d1/ Experimental-ish extremely slow somber start with a ramp up in the center and a style change yet keeps the same beat. Japanese woman singing about a daemon battery. https://app.suno.ai/song/62946c1a-82dc-46e1-b6b0-70073bb8aec5/ Country-esque song about beans and spaceships. Killer chorus imho. I started doing lyrics in languages I don't speak in order to avoid hearing weirdness in how things are pronounced. Suno is really good at instrumentals too if you avoid lyrics entirely. I'm guessing the complexities of the human voice confuses the model, vs. clean electronic instruments, allowing you to keep a very clean song simply by avoiding voice. https://app.suno.ai/song/86dbf007-5352-4a5a-8055-175891d6381a/ Essentially a 1:19 ringtone-like instrumental. Pretty, clean, nice. https://app.suno.ai/song/782bb766-7c8c-4786-8191-c22032a8d3d8/ 4:20 instrumental synthwave https://app.suno.ai/song/0e7a3b48-b7f3-4d50-b56a-b68c238332b8/ EDM baby! Lots of cool structure, sounds like a real song to my dumb-rear end ears. Has a sweet drum break at 4:20 If you're new to AI things like this, note that there is no such thing as useless to them, anything you put in the prompt boxes, absolutely anything at all, changes the result. Random noise, useless phrases, strings of ~~~~~~~~~, doesn't matter. This is why, if you DO peek into people's prompts, especially in the image space, they are filled with absolutely insane garbage, cargo culting, and just a general misunderstanding of how these things work. "YES BIG BOOBS LIKE USED TO MAKE NO UGLY THINGHS I DON"T LIKE" It's also why if you do look at the structure of the things I've summoned from Suno, a lot of it won't make sense. Maybe it doesn't! Phrases, symbols, whatever. Basically, throw some poo poo in and see what you get out.
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KakerMix posted:I've made a few ~real~ songs with this thing that sound like song songs. It's easily passed the point of being 'good enough' for the general public in a lot of circumstances. Crunched through a heavily compressed digital terrestrial radio stream it'd be pretty hard to tell. There are artifacts though, not only in it's quality but also quirks in the sound generation itself like how vocals tend to blend with instruments sometimes. It's still in it's 7 fingered hand stage.
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