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Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


So all the poo poo going on with Boeing and a whistleblower is found dead in his truck outside the hotel he was staying at whilst giving legal interviews about all of his claims?

That's not suspicious at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703

Anyway I'm going on a Boeing next week so if I don't chat bullshit for a while then I have died in a lovely plane made by corner-cutting arseholes and you need to avenge me. Thank you.

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Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


Humphreys posted:

I have too much too. And now I went and got myself an old Retail Xbox Kiosk standup system to cleanup and build a custom modded system to demo a heap of games

Oh, that sounds interesting.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


Olympic Mathlete posted:

So all the poo poo going on with Boeing and a whistleblower is found dead in his truck outside the hotel he was staying at whilst giving legal interviews about all of his claims?

That's not suspicious at all.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-68534703

Anyway I'm going on a Boeing next week so if I don't chat bullshit for a while then I have died in a lovely plane made by corner-cutting arseholes and you need to avenge me. Thank you.

Bring a parachute.

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice

Powershift posted:

Bring a parachute.

It wouldn't be illegal to bring on a flight, would it? It strikes me as something that, if noticed, would land you in a room with a table, a camera, and three aluminum chairs.

But just how hilarious would it have been for preparation to meet opportunity when that door blew off. Just loving LOL.

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

There are some rules for parachutes, because if the TSA decides they want to open it up, they need you to be present to repack it. But you are allowed to have parachutes either checked or carry-on. People travel for recreational parachuting stuff all the time.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
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Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


I feel like exiting the plane out of a door directly in front of the horizontal stabilizer would end badly.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Darchangel posted:

Oh, that sounds interesting.

Humphreys posted:

How the heck did I forget to mention that!? I had pre-release and a version that packed XCAT as the payload so I could do backups to the XCAT devs server of all DLC I found. Its amazing!!!

Speaking of...So I already own a Debug Xbox.

Now I have this:

Commodore_64
Feb 16, 2011

love thy likpa




I did not expect your post to make me so nostalgic, but dang that is cool!

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002

I was looking at a set of sockets that skipped some metric sizes that led me to looking at this chart:


The question I have for everyone is: What socket sizes would you choose to bring with you if you wanted to cover the common sizes between 1" to 5/16" or 25mm to 8mm? For instance would bring just the 14mm that subs for 9/16 or would you bring the 9/16? Or are you bringing both? For instance if you were packing a set for the junkyard? Assuming the car isn't all metric or standard. I was looking at the 14mm and google says it comes out to 0.55 inches and 9/16 comes out 0.5625 so is it smarter to carry the 9/16 to be a little over on mm?

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

I have been nerdsniped. ASME b18.2.2 (page 25) specifies the minimum and maximum wrench opening for a given nut size of

code:
minimum = nominal_width + 0.005*nominal_width + 0.001
maximum = minimum + 0.005*nominal_width + 0.004
Then I made a spreadsheet, assuming metric sockets should follow the same standard. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q1kxZZCd6kv8cVOH1yp1-A5AnOTuSnPM2ORsXwf-i_M/edit?usp=sharing

There's remarkably little overlap if you want the kind of tolerances described in ASME b18.2.2. 5/16 definitely works for 8mm, and 3/4 definitely works for 19mm. If your socket set is on the large end of the allowable size, then 11mm works for 7/16, 5/8 works for 16mm, 22mm works for 7/8, and 15/16 works for 24mm.

I didn't calculate "this socket is larger, but not so large that it just spins" because that's how you round off nuts. I started doing the math to figure out "this socket is larger, but not so large that it just spins", and most sockets will "work" for at least one, up to five, smaller nuts.

Safety Dance fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Mar 13, 2024

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002

Safety Dance posted:

I have been nerdsniped. ASME b18.2.2 (page 25) specifies the minimum and maximum wrench opening for a given nut size of

code:
minimum = nominal_width + 0.005*nominal_width + 0.001
maximum = minimum + 0.005*nominal_width + 0.004
Then I made a spreadsheet, assuming metric sockets should follow the same standard. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q1kxZZCd6kv8cVOH1yp1-A5AnOTuSnPM2ORsXwf-i_M/edit?usp=sharing

There's remarkably little overlap if you want the kind of tolerances described in ASME b18.2.2. 5/16 definitely works for 8mm, and 3/4 definitely works for 19mm. If your socket set is on the large end of the allowable size, then 11mm works for 7/16, 5/8 works for 16mm, 22mm works for 7/8, and 15/16 works for 24mm.

I didn't calculate "this socket is larger, but not so large that it just spins" because that's how you round off nuts.

This is absolutely amazing. Hell yes.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher
The only good use for Imperial sockets is when you round off a metric nut you can hammer a size too small imperial onto it to use a large breaker bar.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
If you know what car you are going to be working on in the junkyard, base your choices on what you are pulling and what system they used. (SAE, DIN, JIS.)

Subaru? I'm bringing 8/10/12/14/17/19.
GM? Depends on what I'm pulling and when it was made, but for most stuff, 8/10/13/15/19. 16 and 18 if I'm touching power steering lines or a crossmember. 4L80E pull? I'm taking my large dikes, 11, 13, 15, 18, sawzall, prybar, and 9/16 and 1/2 just in case I forgot and it's a 98- truck or 02- van. That's literally all I need, one handful of tools and I'll be walking out with a transmission in 30 to 45 minutes.
Jeep? I'm bringing the whole set if I'm just browsing but if I know exactly what I'm after I can probably bring one handful of tools.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The only good use for Imperial sockets is when you round off a metric nut you can hammer a size too small imperial onto it to use a large breaker bar.

Yup. Metric every time. I only use the imperial sizes on odd things anymore.

Olympic Mathlete
Feb 25, 2011

:h:


CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The only good use for Imperial sockets is when you round off a metric nut you can hammer a size too small imperial onto it to use a large breaker bar.

:agreed: and for this purpose they've been quite handy. I only have 6 point impact sockets in metric though.

Bulk Vanderhuge
May 2, 2009

womp womp womp womp
I make dumb decisions so I need imperial, metric and Whitworth along with the occasional triple square.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
Same but internal and external torx and more than a few 12 points instead.

My preferred variety of jeeps are so chaotic that one starter bolt is 9/16 (not 14mm, it's a 3/8-16 thread) and the other is 15mm.

SpeedFreek
Jan 10, 2008
And Im Lobster Jesus!
A full set of torx, seems like they're all over anything newer than 2000s vintage. Like mentioned earlier the tools I would bring with are very dependent on what I'd be going after.

19mm - 3/4 and 8mm - 5/16 are the only two sizes I found to interchange across every tool brand I've used. The cheaper the hardware or tools the more the different standards are interchangeable.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher
*sigh*

Of course some idiot on the factory floor who was edgy decided to use a johnny drop table username as a joke

And of course this loving multi million buck factory machine was vulnerable to it and is currently being rebooted and re-calibrated at silly expense and time -_-

I would say you would not believe how bad industrial machinery are with security and data sanitization but.... well...... I think you all know how bad it can be with systems that are supposed to be secure and thence wouldn't be surprised in the slightest.

the spyder
Feb 18, 2011
We've got a project to put 1000's of medical devices behind our Palo Alto's (Firewalls) because LOL, what's security? Someone decades back decided that a flat network with no ACL's is just dandy. Why bother when the tech's just write the password under the keyboard for the MRI modality (workstation). That's great and all when you're a small office, but not when it's 8 hospitals and 350 clinics.
We just finished putting out Facilities equipment (Eaton, Siemens, etc) behind them.
Feels like whack a mole.

the spyder fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Mar 14, 2024

cursedshitbox
May 20, 2012

Your rear-end wont survive my hammering.



Fun Shoe
My absolute favorite was Bosch era rover v8s with 12pt 12mm heads on something like a 7/16-14 thread used in the exhaust manifolds. It was maddening.



I still have some of those cursed bolts left that sometime get dropped in random positions when someone balks about the work

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

The only good use for Imperial sockets is when you round off a metric nut you can hammer a size too small imperial onto it to use a large breaker bar.

I found a 9/32 socket worked well on hose clamps that would otherwise take a 7mm socket, was often hard to get the 7m on. But a 9/32 had just the right amount of slop to work.

SpeedFreek posted:

A full set of torx, seems like they're all over anything newer than 2000s vintage. Like mentioned earlier the tools I would bring with are very dependent on what I'd be going after.

19mm - 3/4 and 8mm - 5/16 are the only two sizes I found to interchange across every tool brand I've used. The cheaper the hardware or tools the more the different standards are interchangeable.

Saab really pioneered the use of Torx in cars. There's torx bolts and screws everywhere in my 900. Even in places where a hex bolt might have been better.

His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Mar 14, 2024

Coredump
Dec 1, 2002

I THINK I have a socket that's in some increment of 64ths. Should get a full set just for the cursed factor.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

You should get a complete set of sockets in tap drill sizes.

CAT INTERCEPTOR
Nov 9, 2004

Basically a male Margaret Thatcher

Coredump posted:

I THINK I have a socket that's in some increment of 64ths. Should get a full set just for the cursed factor.

A full set of Witworth for the extra cursed

Or for the full blooded what the gently caress, *metric* Witworth like BMC used on engines between 1930 and 1955 which is Witworth Imperial sized but used on metric head sizes

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!



Cool!
Man, I was thinking Xbox 360. Original Xbox is even neater.

For junkyard wrenches I puss out and bring a wagon (Radio Flyer upgraded with HF 8" pneumatic tires with bearings), toolbag, and a toolbox specifically kitted out for mobile use. Mostly full set of metric and SAE combo wrenches, full set of sockets and ratchets, 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" drive, normal and deep. Various screwdrivers, pliers, adjustable wrench or two, etc. Too often I'm going for all kinds of stuff and also targets of opportunity. Usually bring my 1/4" drive cordless impact driver and cordless drill driver. Yeah, I've been doing this poo poo a while, and have nearly perfected my loadout.
I can go in with less if I'm after a specific part, of course.

That same kit goes in the trunk when I'm heading out to help a friend, so it's multipurpose.

But yeah, the larger size wrenches you can intermix metric and SAE a bit, but really not so much on the lower end. 5/16" = 8 mm, and 9/64" = 7mm in most cases but not much else for common sizes.

What annoys me is having to carry 8, 10, 12, 14, 17 and 19 for Asian cars, and 8, 10, 13, 15, 17, 19 for American cars using metric. Like, we could even do it right when we did finally use metric. Couldn't just use the already-established JIS standard. Nope, gotta be dumb.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
I believe that's because we used the ANSI standard that was based off the DIN standard, which conflicts with the JIS standard.

The great thing about standards - so many to choose from.

Darchangel
Feb 12, 2009

Tell him about the blower!


kastein posted:

I believe that's because we used the ANSI standard that was based off the DIN standard, which conflicts with the JIS standard.

The great thing about standards - so many to choose from.

Hang on, I've got an XKCD about this.

Advent Horizon
Jan 17, 2003

I’m back, and for that I am sorry


Darchangel posted:

What annoys me is having to carry 8, 10, 12, 14, 17 and 19 for Asian cars, and 8, 10, 13, 15, 17, 19 for American cars using metric. Like, we could even do it right when we did finally use metric. Couldn't just use the already-established JIS standard. Nope, gotta be dumb.

My Toyotas use hardly any 10mm but a ton of 11mm (or 13mm) since that’s the JIS head size.

It’s a running gag now that I get 10mm sockets every Christmas; I have a drawer full of them that I’ve never used. Many of those are still in the packaging.

ryanrs
Jul 12, 2011

Advent Horizon posted:

My Toyotas use hardly any 10mm but a ton of 11mm (or 13mm) since that’s the JIS head size.

Uh, really? All my M6 JIS bolts have 10mm heads.

NoWake
Dec 28, 2008

College Slice

His Divine Shadow posted:

I found a 9/32 socket worked well on hose clamps that would otherwise take a 7mm

Ahh, the 9/32" socket. I had to chase one down for a 12-point, and ended up settling on a stubby box end wrench that size to take bolts off a clutch plate. Frustratingly, 7mm wasn't fitting, 8mm was way too sloppy, and like hell was I going to round some specialty bolts off by attempting a mismatch.

After both mega-hardware stores and 3rd auto parts store, finally found one at O'Reilly

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

Advent Horizon posted:

My Toyotas use hardly any 10mm but a ton of 11mm (or 13mm) since that’s the JIS head size.



Maybe they're 10mm heads that have rusted into 11mm.

kastein
Aug 31, 2011

Moderator at http://www.ridgelineownersclub.com/forums/and soon to be mod of AI. MAKE AI GREAT AGAIN. Motronic for VP.
That's weird because my Subarus had a ton of 10, 12, 14, and 17 on them.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

NoWake posted:

Ahh, the 9/32" socket. I had to chase one down for a 12-point, and ended up settling on a stubby box end wrench that size to take bolts off a clutch plate. Frustratingly, 7mm wasn't fitting, 8mm was way too sloppy, and like hell was I going to round some specialty bolts off by attempting a mismatch.

After both mega-hardware stores and 3rd auto parts store, finally found one at O'Reilly

I found this box of cheap sockets with a ratchet, both metric and imperial for 5 euros in a 2nd hand shop.

It has a lot of imperial sizes I never knew existed. It's actually been quite useful I wish I had bought two of them.

Safety Dance
Sep 10, 2007

Five degrees to starboard!

His Divine Shadow posted:

imperial sizes I never knew existed

I had a poorly translated instruction manual tell me to use a 1/5" drill bit once. That's an imperial size I never knew existed.

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.
looks like #7 or #8 is very close :thunk:

Boaz MacPhereson
Jul 11, 2006

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Safety Dance posted:

I had a poorly translated instruction manual tell me to use a 1/5" drill bit once. That's an imperial size I never knew existed.

If I saw anything call for 1/5" I'd assume I slipped into an alternate dimension or was dreaming.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Darchangel posted:

Cool!
Man, I was thinking Xbox 360. Original Xbox is even neater.

On the eve of Insignia supporting Halo 2 online play again...

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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

Safety Dance posted:

I had a poorly translated instruction manual tell me to use a 1/5" drill bit once. That's an imperial size I never knew existed.
LOL

Like you said, probably something poorly translated from oh, 5mm or something and rounded it.

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