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GrandTheftAutism: Dec 24, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Whatever. You've made up your minds and decided I'm a poo poo. I'm sticking by the decisions I've made too.

Recoome, I'd tell you to go huff petrol but it's all fumeless now. (NOW THAT'S RACIST!)

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Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

Please answer the question

GrandTheftAutism posted:

I was asked to change the founding document of my country

Should an indigenous voice have been included from the start?

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:18

GrandTheftAutism: Dec 24, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Bucky Fullminster posted:

Please answer the question

Should an indigenous voice have been included from the start?

Ideally yes, but we don't live in an ideal world and this country was founded by the British Empire, which treated First Nations people as two-legged livestock at best.

GrandTheftAutism fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Mar 8, 2024

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Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

So we should change it, right?

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:21

23 Skidoo: Dec 21, 2006

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...e%20council%27.

I for one welcome our new piece-meal Voices, which will prove over time that it should have been an overwhelming "Yes" vote.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:22

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Baby, take me by my hand,
I'll lead you to the promised land.

GrandTheftAutism posted:

Whatever. You've made up your minds and decided I'm a poo poo. I'm sticking by the decisions I've made too.

Recoome, I'd tell you to go huff petrol but it's all fumeless now. (NOW THAT'S RACIST!)

Good grief

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:25

GrandTheftAutism: Dec 24, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Bucky Fullminster posted:

So we should change it, right?

The overwhelming No vote points to the decades of wrongs, animosity, grudges, cultural differences, refusal of either side to respect the other's laws and customs, and straight up racism standing in the way of that change.

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ungulateman: Apr 18, 2012; pretentious fuckwit who isn't half as literate or insightful or clever as he thinks he is

lol

lmao even

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:31

TammyHEH: Dec 11, 2013; Alfrything is only the ghost of a memory...

I am here for bucky absolutely dismantling this terrible human

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:31

do it on my face: Feb 6, 2005; °

GrandTheftAutism posted:

The overwhelming No vote points to the decades of wrongs, animosity, grudges, cultural differences, refusal of either side to respect the other's laws and customs, and straight up racism standing in the way of that change.

Thank you for also standing in the way of that change.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:31

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

GrandTheftAutism posted:

Whatever. You've made up your minds and decided I'm a poo poo. I'm sticking by the decisions I've made too.

Recoome, I'd tell you to go huff petrol but it's all fumeless now. (NOW THAT'S RACIST!)

Nice meltdown

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:31

GrandTheftAutism: Dec 24, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Recoome posted:

Nice meltdown

You don't know what a meltdown is

it's beer o'clock, time for a chilled metho

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EoinCannon: Aug 29, 2008; Grimey Drawer

Holy poo poo, spicy Friday

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:35

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

thatbastardken posted:

the oxford english dictionary can get hosed imo

macquarie 4 life

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:36

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

GrandTheftAutism posted:

The overwhelming No vote points to the decades of wrongs, animosity, grudges, cultural differences, refusal of either side to respect the other's laws and customs, and straight up racism standing in the way of that change.

Sure.

Please answer the question.

If an indigenous voice should have been included at the start, but wasn't, that means we should change it, right?

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Mola Yam: Jun 18, 2004; Kali Ma Shakti de!

bicycle paths

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:38

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

GrandTheftAutism posted:

You don't know what a meltdown is

it's beer o'clock, time for a chilled metho

Nice edit coward

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:38

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

What I�m confused about is this

GrandTheftAutism posted:

No, it doesn't help, fuckface.

Not voting yes regardless of reasons means I'm automatically racist? That's an even shittier take. I was asked to change the founding document of my country for the sake of people who despise my country (or worse, outright reject its existence). On what loving planet is that a reasonable request?

Who are the people who despise this country? Please name this group as this is really relevant to this discussion.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:39

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

Jezza of OZPOS posted:

How do you work as a screw and have such thin skin lol

Necessary qualification. How else are you going to justify the beatings?

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:42

The Artificial Kid: Feb 22, 2002; Plibble

Recoome posted:

What I�m confused about is this

Who are the people who despise this country? Please name this group as this is really relevant to this discussion.

He�s talking about the chicoms

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:43

Laserface: Dec 24, 2004

Wow 100+ posts did Albo finally do something other than yet another photo op at bar Italia in Leichhardt?

Oh

Oh no.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:44

GrandTheftAutism: Dec 24, 2013; by Fluffdaddy

Bucky Fullminster posted:

Sure.

Please answer the question.

If an indigenous voice should have been included at the start, but wasn't, that means we should change it, right?

I did answer, but I'll rephrase: the result of the No vote demonstrates that a) there are too many factors obstructing that change and b) whether this thread likes it or not, the majority of the voting public have indicated that they do not want that change. In terms of realpolitik, whether or not we should have such change is immaterial. It simply isn't going to happen without changing the complex underlying social issues that successive governments and community action groups continue to ignore.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:47

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Laserface posted:

Wow 100+ posts did Albo finally do something other than yet another photo op at bar Italia in Leichhardt?

Oh

Oh no.

i said gently caress whitey and all hell broke loose

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:49

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

GrandTheftAutism posted:

You don't know what a meltdown is

it's beer o'clock, time for a chilled metho

clam down, mr chernobyl

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:50

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-05/terry-irving-wrongfully-convicted-compensation-justice-system/103500798

This is a good article from the ABC about the search for justice for a wrongful conviction. Also a damning indictment of every QLD government and the beaurocracy within it.

Some choice quotes:

The stitch up:

ABC posted:

After a brief interview, police took Terry into custody, later typing up a recount of their conversation with him about the events of March 19. The detectives maintain there was never a recording of this meeting, but Terry�s lawyers believe there was � and that it was hidden by police to cover up the truth about what was said.
...
Police opposed bail, claiming that he had six �fail to appear� offences on his record � something that would later be proven untrue.
...
In submissions that were never shown to the court during his trial, witnesses to the robbery � who had been asked to identify Terry from a photo line-up � wavered on whether he was even the man they had seen. One noted that his skin colour looked similar but that he couldn�t be entirely sure, while another remarked: �I wouldn�t say �yes, that was him�, not at all�. Terry�s lawyers allege these statements were changed or shortened before the trial to make it appear as though witnesses had clearly identified him as the robber.
...
The case was marred by sloppy police work and littered with inconsistencies, and Terry�s previous requests for legal aid to appeal the verdict had been denied by the highest levels of bureaucracy.
...
What was supposed to be a three-day trial wrapped up in just six hours. On December 8, 1993, Terry was found guilty of armed robbery and sentenced to eight years in prison.

The response:

ABC posted:

In 1997, four years to the day after the jury delivered a guilty verdict, the High Court of Australia quashed Terry�s criminal conviction and ordered a new trial. One of the presiding High Court justices stated they had the �gravest misgiving about the circumstances of [the] case�, and that the way the trial had been handled was �disturbing�. The following year, the Queensland Director of Public Prosecutions dropped the charges entirely, stating the evidence against him had �no merit�.
...
More than three decades later, he is yet to see a dollar in compensation for what he suffered. Worse still, he�s yet to receive an apology.
...
In 2002, the duo took the case to the United Nations, which ruled that Terry had suffered �manifest injustice� by being denied legal assistance. It would take another two decades for the Queensland Court of Appeal to determine that Terry had been the victim of a �malicious prosecution�.
�In Terry�s case, it was a specific finding by the court that a detective investigating that matter had acted with malice � she�d intentionally done the wrong thing,� says Melissa Meyers, the principal lawyer from Maurice Blackburn for Terry�s case.
...
�Both of my parents went to their graves never knowing I was vindicated. It cuts me to the bone and [the court battles] have been like a continuous punishment.�
...
�This is the sixth attorney-general who has been approached in Terry�s case to try and bring a resolution to get compensation and get an apology for what he�s been put through,� Melissa says.

ABC posted:

Australia is one of the only Western developed democracies that has failed to honour the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights by legislating compensation for wrongful convictions.

Absolute loving garbage. I hope he wins the QLD supreme court case for compensation.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:53

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

The Artificial Kid posted:

See this is how it should be, the law recognising the complex truth rather than language and logic being remade to deliver a desirable political outcome.

That judge actually ruled exactly against your previous statement. Nobody is remaking language, you're just wrong.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 02:55

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

I'm sorry but the progressive no guy turns out to view indigenous people as petrol sniffing Australia haters? Say it ain't so.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:05

hooman: Oct 11, 2007; This guy seems legit.; Fun Shoe

GrandTheftAutism posted:

That's not what a progressive No means and you'd know better if you stopped huffing solvents and saved a few brain cells to rub together.

Progressive Yes Vote: We want a constitutionally enshrined advisory body for First Nations people so they can present their needs to the government
Conservative Yes Vote: This is a great idea, but we should hash out the details some more before we proceed
Progressive No Vote: The Voice is just a weak replacement for a treaty, bin the referendum, make the racist elements step aside and let's make a treaty happen
Conservative No Vote: I don't want no drat blacks in muh constitution!

this is what debating in bad faith looks like

The referendum, in the form it took, was essentially a Morton's Fork - If Yes won, First Nations people were locked out of a treaty by a Voice that the government could basically just ignore. If No prevailed, apathy and racism would resume standard operating levels and state-based attempts at Treaty would fail. Either way, they lose.

GrandTheftAutism posted:

No, it doesn't help, fuckface.

Not voting yes regardless of reasons means I'm automatically racist? That's an even shittier take. I was asked to change the founding document of my country for the sake of people who despise my country (or worse, outright reject its existence). On what loving planet is that a reasonable request?

Why has your reasoning changed since you were arguing for progressive no prior to the referendum?

Because it really looks like the "progressive no" argument you put forward seems to have been a bad faith argument to cover for what you actually thought.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:05

Zetsubou-san: Jan 28, 2015; Cruel Bifaunidas demanded that you [stand]🧍 I require only that you [kneel]🧎

Recoome posted:

Oh wait GrandTheftAutism is ScreamingLlama, that makes so much sense.

checks out

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:11

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Small domino drunk soccer player calls a copper a white bastard to big domino the entire progressive no voter base revealed to be a racist psyop

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:15

do it on my face: Feb 6, 2005; °

GrandTheftAutism posted:

I did answer, but I'll rephrase: the result of the No vote demonstrates that a) there are too many factors obstructing that change and b) whether this thread likes it or not, the majority of the voting public have indicated that they do not want that change. In terms of realpolitik, whether or not we should have such change is immaterial. It simply isn't going to happen without changing the complex underlying social issues that successive governments and community action groups continue to ignore.

bro you could've just said you were allergic to the word "yes" it would've been better than all this poo poo you're spewing now

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:22

KingEup: Nov 18, 2004; I am a REAL ADDICT
(to threadshitting)

Please ask me for my google inspired wisdom on shit I know nothing about. Actually, you don't even have to ask.

Mola Yam posted:

bicycle paths

Great place to chuck your used disposable vapes.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:22

Megabound: Oct 20, 2012

GrandTheftAutism posted:

I did answer, but I'll rephrase: the result of the No vote demonstrates that a) there are too many factors obstructing that change and b) whether this thread likes it or not, the majority of the voting public have indicated that they do not want that change. In terms of realpolitik, whether or not we should have such change is immaterial. It simply isn't going to happen without changing the complex underlying social issues that successive governments and community action groups continue to ignore.

Now excuse me what was the question again

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:24

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

GrandTheftAutism posted:

I did answer, but I'll rephrase: the result of the No vote demonstrates that a) there are too many factors obstructing that change and b) whether this thread likes it or not, the majority of the voting public have indicated that they do not want that change. In terms of realpolitik, whether or not we should have such change is immaterial. It simply isn't going to happen without changing the complex underlying social issues that successive governments and community action groups continue to ignore.

That doesn't answer the question at all.

Your original premise was:

"I was asked to change the founding document of my country [...] On what loving planet is that a reasonable request?"

And if you think it should have been included at the start, then that planet is this one.

"No, the country is too racist" is a completely different position, and makes even less sense.

What seems to have come through your posting, however, is a spiteful contempt for indigenous people.

You haven't demonstrated enough good-faith for this conversation to be worth continuing.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:25

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury I submit into evidence these posts and to ask yourself if "stupid white bastard" is, if anything, a quaint but accurate description of the situation?

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:30

23 Skidoo: Dec 21, 2006

Lid posted:

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury I submit into evidence these posts and to ask yourself if "stupid white bastard" is, if anything, a quaint but accurate description of the situation?

if anything it's too kind... a cheeky "white" 'oval office' would've been more appropriate

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:31

Recoome: Nov 9, 2013; Matter of fact, I'm salty now.

Lid posted:

I'm sorry but the progressive no guy turns out to view indigenous people as petrol sniffing Australia haters? Say it ain't so.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:32

trunkh: Jan 31, 2011

The guy that "designs" bicycle paths by marking up Google map screen caps has a point here.

# ? Mar 8, 2024 03:38

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

Also lol at the constitution being the "founding document".

It was written in 1901, over a century after this place was founded, and 118 years after Sandwich and Banks wrote "A Proposal for Establishing a Settlement in New South Wales", on the 24 August 1783.

Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Mar 8, 2024

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