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IIRC Punchy reported a guy for being a Nazi and ESA banned the Nazi for being a Nazi and banned Punchy for "stirring up drama"
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YggiDee posted:IIRC Punchy reported a guy for being a Nazi and ESA banned the Nazi for being a Nazi and banned Punchy for "stirring up drama" and after this, in the wake of gdq announcing harry potter games would not be in gdq events for obvious reasons, esa proudly announced a harry potter block in which they also banned pro-trans donation messages from being read again, gently caress 'em
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Punchy and one other person each reported a chud. Both the chuds did get banned. Punchy and the other reporting person also got banned, Punchy with a letter from ESA that was not a good piece of communication and claimed he had a "threatening aura", which if you've ever met Punchy you know is just patently false, and it was pretty obvious the real reason he got banned was that he would not shut up about about legitimate issues with the marathon that they'd rather sweep under the rug instead of dealing with. The other person who sent in a report did get unbanned, but Punchy's ban was stated to be permanent, but the bans of the chuds were said to not necessarily be indefinite. And then the Harry Potter fiasco. So yeah. Not heading the right direction. KennyMan666 fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jan 24, 2024 |
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Sloober posted:is there a TLDR on what esa did/does, because this is the first i've heard (i dont pay too close attention to esa) Edenal is an actual clown with a complex who is so very very bitter that Frame Fatales fundraises circles around him.
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KennyMan666 posted:Punchy and one other person each reported a chud. Both the chuds did get banned. Punchy and the other reporting person also got banned, Punchy with a letter from ESA that was not a good piece of communication and claimed he had a "threatening aura", which if you've ever met Punchy knows is just patently false, and it was pretty obvious the real reason he got banned was that he would not shut about about legitimate issues with the marathon that they'd rather sweep under the rug instead of dealing with. The other person who sent in a report did get unbanned, but Punchy's ban was stated to be permanent, but the bans of the chuds were said to not necessarily be indefinite. I love speedrun marathons of all kinds, so ESA could have been extremely my jam. But even one of those incidents alone is enough to make me hesitate. Both of them together? Yeah, I’m not going to support your event.
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ZeGoggles posted:Edenal is an actual clown with a complex who is so very very bitter that Frame Fatales fundraises circles around him. lmao
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:esa is run by transphobes who try and 'both sides' nazis and the people that call out nazis. gently caress 'em. Ugh really? If there is a link anyone has to read about that I'd like it, I don't even know who ESA *are*.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:esa is run by transphobes who try and 'both sides' nazis and the people that call out nazis. gently caress 'em.
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HopperUK posted:Ugh really? If there is a link anyone has to read about that I'd like it, I don't even know who ESA *are*. ESA is the European Speedrunner Assembly, which is basically the European version of GDQ in that it is an in-person speedruning marathon. The rest of the drama was mentioned in the previous posts though so I don’t have anything to add there.
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Nemo2342 posted:ESA is the European Speedrunner Assembly, which is basically the European version of GDQ in that it is an in-person speedruning marathon. Ah thank you. I see a statement they've put out affirming a commitment to supporting all gender identities. But it seems 'This handbook asks that no message should be approved that implies that either the runner or ESA endorses a particular viewpoint on current affairs or social issues. ' Which to me seems a fundamentally cowardly way of behaving, but then I don't know much about the complexities of running big events like that. So I dunno what they mean by 'support' if you're not allowed to say 'trans rights' or whatever. Confusing and disheartening. I will read more around this. Cheers.
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HopperUK posted:'This handbook asks that no message should be approved that implies that either the runner or ESA endorses a particular viewpoint on current affairs or social issues. ' This position the opposite of supporting anything but status quo
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the yeti posted:This position the opposite of supporting anything but status quo Yeah seriously, it loving sucks. They go on to try to justify it but man I'm not sure. Seems poo poo.
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you do have to be cautious about what gets aired by sole virtue of participating charities needing to manage their optics to keep donations outside the marathon coming in. the end-of-marathon statement on palestine was an unquestionably bold thing to say in the middle of america, but it was also a statement made with the direct approval of MSF and PCF, with the understanding that it was something their donors would broadly agree with that's not to say that i trust ESA to be acting in good faith on these issues given their history, but i'm also sure that AGDQ got plenty of "free palestine" donations that had to be quietly pushed past the donation reader
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You’re not wrong in general about having to play along with big charities’ sensibilities but they mention themselves and the runner only, so I’m not inclined to think that’s the motivation.
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Will ESA let you end your run by calling for Trans rights? Because GDQ sure will, and that’s the low bar they have to clear.
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probably yes but they end your run involuntarily
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HopperUK posted:Ugh really? If there is a link anyone has to read about that I'd like it, I don't even know who ESA *are*. here's a tweet thread from when they banned punchy for having the audacity to out a chud https://twitter.com/Succinct_Punchy/status/1283095229155991553 vvv read all of it DEEP STATE PLOT fucked around with this message at 03:08 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Maybe it's different with context, but as someone with no idea who any of those people are, I don't think Punchy comes off looking good from that tweet.
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site posted:probably yes but they end your run involuntarily
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ESA gives the impression that even if they arent chuds or hiding their own biases, they are at best too cowardly to openly support equal treatment except in the most milquetoast in passing way and would instead support jerkoffs like Rowling etc So gently caress em.
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Snake Maze posted:Maybe it's different with context, but as someone with no idea who any of those people are, I don't think Punchy comes off looking good from that tweet. Maybe you should take the word of all the people saying punchy is a cool dude instead of the transphobic speedrun marathon?
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ZeusCannon posted:ESA gives the impression that even if they arent chuds or hiding their own biases, they are at best too cowardly to openly support equal treatment except in the most milquetoast in passing way and would instead support jerkoffs like Rowling etc
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Incoherence posted:Or the cowardice might be an attempt to pick up the people who think GDQ is Too Woke Now, ignoring that most of those people aren't going to watch or donate to them either (the same chuds have been voicing this complaint about GDQ for a decade). This is what I assume it has to be, although I sincerely doubt chuds are going to donate to actual good humanitarian causes. Anti-woke poo poo is a grift that it seems like even ESA is too stupid or cowardly to go in on. Either way it sounds like they're loving losers.
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I just like watching the video games. Sometimes they do silly things like the airline passenger simulator
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Snake Maze posted:Maybe it's different with context, but as someone with no idea who any of those people are, I don't think Punchy comes off looking good from that tweet. E: thanks to extra context below, I'm editing this out. gently caress the ESA. The rest still stands of course. Still not going to support them though if they're going out of their way to feature harry potter poo poo and trying to both sides issues that really work out to "either you support progress and human rights, or you oppose them". "We support all that stuff but we're not willing to say it, and you can't either" is the same as opposing. E: and of course usually when people try to pull this poo poo, they in fact do actively oppose human rights, and are smart enough to realize saying that out loud in 2024 isn't a good move anymore, but not smart enough to not realize that people can see through their lovely excuses. Shaman Tank Spec fucked around with this message at 15:34 on Jan 25, 2024 |
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Yeah exactly. I don't know any of these people or have any idea what's going on, but if the ESA aren't just outright making poo poo up and people are in fact afraid to work with Punchy then on the surface that sounds like a perfectly good reason to ban someone from their events. They were, in fact, making poo poo up.
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apostateCourier posted:They were, in fact, making poo poo up. Welp. Double gently caress them then.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:Yeah exactly. I don't know any of these people or have any idea what's going on, but if the ESA aren't just outright making poo poo up and people are in fact afraid to work with Punchy then on the surface that sounds like a perfectly good reason to ban someone from their events. i mean, SuccinctAndPunchy posted:
and also i am ultimately far more inclined to believe the guy who has been at several gdqs and whose most controversial act at any of them was getting another runner thrown out for groping people than an organization that loving loves jk rowling. it seems to me like punchy just has little issue calling out fuckwits for being fuckwits, and cowards who don't like dealing with uncomfortable situations hate that.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i mean, jfc, that's reprehensible. quote:and also i am ultimately far more inclined to believe the guy who has been at several gdqs and whose most controversial act at any of them was getting another runner thrown out for groping people than an organization that loving loves jk rowling. Of course. Like I said, I don't know any of the people involved and while I've probably seen Punchy at some GDQ stream, I wouldn't recognize the name. But yeah this is good context, gently caress the ESA.
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Even if it's not them loving Rowling's stance, it's still more of that edgy
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To be clear I don’t know Punchy personally and we only interacted once when I congratulated them on a run and expressed thanks for coming over for a gdq. That said I don’t buy that punchy made anyone feel unsafe in any real sense. (I.e., getting in your feels because you were bluntly told you are being or are working for an rear end in a top hat doesn’t count)
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also i could never in a million years imagine esa ending a marathon with 'free palestine'. i half expect them to end with 'we stand with israel', but tbh i don't even think they have the spine for that. i've had a lot of criticisms of how gdq has handled some things in the past, like giving second chances to people that clearly don't deserve them (the maga hat idiots were already on their last chance, and displayed exactly why they should not have had that chance) or allowing a dude who openly loves francisco franco to feature as a runner, but at least they seem to have learned and grown a spine over time. for example, recently they had cheese scheduled to run but when people brought up to them that he is a transphobe, they actually removed his run from the schedule. i hate it for european-based runners because this poo poo has left them with little reasonable options to run if they don't want to support esa but still want to be at a marathon. not everyone can, or would even want to, fly to america for gdq.
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Croccers posted:Even if it's not them loving Rowling's stance, it's still more of that edgy ESA does everything in their power to do the complete opposite of GDQ. Also ESA actively bans any mention of "Trans Rights" in their chat. Bunch of spineless cowards.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:i hate it for european-based runners because this poo poo has left them with little reasonable options to run if they don't want to support esa but still want to be at a marathon. not everyone can, or would even want to, fly to america for gdq. Eh, at this point we're used to being always second to the US if we're talking about the english speaking internet. At least the continued success of GDQ marathons does mean more local runners bunch up and make marathons in their native language.
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Shaman Tank Spec posted:I've probably seen Punchy at some GDQ stream, I wouldn't recognize the name. punchy did the fantastic baba is you run in 2022, among others https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdEnUHxy0CQ he was also the host the first time gdq broke 2 million dollars, during a puwexil run of chrono trigger, and the juxtaposition of punchy and the crowd losing their goddamn poo poo while puwexil stayed composed and cool as a cucumber is one of my favorite gdq things.
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puwexil's the presence i miss the most from GDQ runs. dude knew every goddamn RPG backwards and forwards and had a great sense of dry humor
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Thanks so much for the information, all. The ESA sound lovely.
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HopperUK posted:Thanks so much for the information, all. The ESA sound lovely.
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DEEP STATE PLOT posted:punchy did the fantastic baba is you run in 2022, among others Punchy was host for the SMO run at AGDQ2020 that almost broke the tracker because we got $186,000 in 15 minutes, Chrono Trigger was SGDQ2019 the year prior and we broke -3- million, not 2. First time we broke 2 million was just before Undertale in AGDQ 2017. https://twitter.com/Vulajin/status/1145765354137903110 That SMO run is also where we got this:  Punchy is a cool, helpful guy and ESA absolutely did him dirty.
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