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well why not posted:the idea that the cast did not do their due diligence about this not being MCU is a joke. it’s ridiculous to think that someone in the movies is less au fait than the children who watch these things by posting in this thread, you care more about these films than the actors that are part of the films
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:There's no guarantees, yeah, but not caring about the movie/treating it as a product makes it near-certain it's going to fail. But then you get someone like The Rock at Max Carelevels doing his best to push a movie that is, dedpite all his apparent efforts, a giant turd.
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Grendels Dad posted:But then you get someone like The Rock at Max Carelevels doing his best to push a movie that is, dedpite all his apparent efforts, a giant turd. The issue here is, again, the actual people who made the movie did not care. It's a Rock Vehicle. The Rock may care about it, but it was created as A Product for People Who Wanted To See The Rock. Unless you think somebody really put their heart and soul into Tooth Fairy or w/e. I would also argue that The Rock does not care about the movie either. He cares about The Rock's Success. He pushes his tequila with the exact same intensity. Edit: on some level everybody understands this. If you have to go to the doctor, you want to go to the one who actually got into it to help people, not the one who is doing it for money. Everyone is wondering why a lot of modern movies and AAA games suck and the reason is fairly easy: it used to be that the model for this stuff was that studios existed to give money to people who were passionate about something that the studio felt was economically viable. Now the studios are dictating what gets made and how. That's a recipe for terrible art. The new Blade is a great example. The studio commissioned a script for Blade, a character whose IP they own and is remembered fondly. The one guy who cared (Mahershala Ali) was pushing for it. The people who wrote the script are not Blade fans. They are mercenary writers who were told to write the script, and told how to write it, and then told how to revise it. With nobody who actually gave a poo poo about the character except Mahershala Ali, they produced a script where Blade is a secondary character in his own movie and lectured in life lessons. An absolute disaster. Please don't read this as "movies with passionate artists working on them can't fail" because that's not what I'm saying. Megaman's Jockstrap fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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CelticPredator posted:Bringing up again that Goop didn’t know she was in Spider-Man homecoming. This honestly just isn't that weird. She was only in a scene with her regular co stars and Tom Holland, she had three lines and was on screen for thirty seconds, and they almost definitely filmed it while filming some other movie. Heck all her lines are about marrying Tony, it would probably seem weird to her to learn that that was going to happen in a small moment in some Spider movie instead of an Iron Man one.
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Blood Boils posted:
Yes it was. If you cast anyone else in that movie it would be pretty mediocre. But Hardy’s enthusiasm for his weird take on this character elevated it to something more fun and unique than your standard superhero thing.
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Black Adam didn’t stink because the rock cared or didn’t care. It’s because the rock keeps hiring really lame filmmakers to make his stuff. He hasn’t made a good movie starring himself since the rundown. (Pain and gain doesn’t count because he’s not the main main star but he did own in it and it is great. )
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:There's no guarantees, yeah, but not caring about the movie/treating it as a product makes it near-certain it's going to fail. Even with projects with very small casts & crews you're going to get different degrees of enthusiasm. Depending on which role we're talking about (actor vs PA, director vs grip etc) AND assuming a significant lack of skill or professionalism; sure, a lack of care might have a noticeable effect on the finished movie. You're describing how Harrison Ford feels about 3/4 of his most famous roles! CelticPredator posted:Yes it was. If you cast anyone else in that movie it would be pretty mediocre. But Hardy’s enthusiasm for his weird take on this character elevated it to something more fun and unique than your standard superhero thing. Hardy is great ofc but venom is pretty standard CBM fare imo (well it's good, so maybe "standard" isn't quite the right word lol) CelticPredator posted:Black Adam didn’t stink because the rock cared or didn’t care. It’s because the rock keeps hiring really lame filmmakers to make his stuff. He hasn’t made a good movie starring himself since the rundown. (Pain and gain doesn’t count because he’s not the main main star but he did own in it and it is great. ) Yea exactly. It's the choices being made by the storytellers, not how they feel about them.
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Blood Boils posted:
Choices because they cared
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I do not understand what’s to argue about saying people cared about venom which lead to their choices that made the film interesting. What made it good was the fact that Hardy went for it and got weird with his choices and fought for those choices, because he cared. What’s the problem with saying cared lol
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CelticPredator posted:I do not understand what’s to argue about saying people cared about venom which lead to their choices that made the film interesting. What made it good was the fact that Hardy went for it and got weird with his choices and fought for those choices, because he cared. it's just that you can care and still suck, or just gently caress something up, and you can not give a poo poo and still be a pro. quality or lack of it isn't any evidence of how much you "care"
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im gonna rip my hair out. just replace my post with whatever word or phrase you want that just means “they really wanted to make it good and enthusiastically worked hard to make it work”
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CelticPredator posted:im gonna rip my hair out. So does Neil Breen. What's being argued is how much Dakota Johnson is to blame for taking the role in Madame Web when she appears to be very pissed off about it afterwards. Some say she just needs to shut up and take her money, some seem to say her care levels weren't high enough to either make the movie good or to suss out that the movie will be poo poo before taking the role. And some say she's been screwed over by her agent or the studio or both.
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CelticPredator posted:I do not understand what’s to argue about saying people cared about venom which lead to their choices that made the film interesting. What made it good was the fact that Hardy went for it and got weird with his choices and fought for those choices, because he cared. hes right here yall
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Niel breen is a bad example because he owns. His art is stupid and weird and unique. No one makes anything like him But I think she had a bad agent who said this gig would do well for her career. And what happened is the studio at some point cared more about making money and decided to committee the hell out of it during production which made the film miserable to make.
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Grendels Dad posted:So does Neil Breen. there are many reasons why sony continues to make bad not spiderman spiderman movies
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MacheteZombie posted:hes right here yall Thank you homie
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CelticPredator posted:Niel breen is a bad example because he owns. His art is stupid and weird and unique. No one makes anything like him Yeah I agree with all of this. There was really no need for this topic to take up five pages.
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MacheteZombie posted:there are many reasons why sony continues to make bad not spiderman spiderman movies This is the thread about Madame Web though??
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Alfred P. Pseudonym posted:I am asking for a sequel to Madame Web Frau Web <horse neighs>
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DeimosRising posted:it's just that you can care and still suck, or just gently caress something up, and you can not give a poo poo and still be a pro. quality or lack of it isn't any evidence of how much you "care" Bingo. CelticPredator posted:I do not understand what’s to argue about saying people cared about venom which lead to their choices that made the film interesting. What made it good was the fact that Hardy went for it and got weird with his choices and fought for those choices, because he cared. There's nothing wrong with saying Hardy (or whoever) cared, I agree that he obviously did! I'm just criticizing the concept of Care Levels (TM) as the sole explanation for why a given movie is good/bad; it's usually a just-so statement left unconnected to any elements of the movie. This isn't me saying it's never a factor lol It's not a big deal, I just see the sentiment a lot and wanted to push back on it. It's too simplistic or consequentialist (? not sure if this is the right word) for me. Ime it often is paired with the dumb logic of "George Lucas was always bad so his good movies must have been due entirely other ppl", or the reverse for like, Peter Jackson say. CelticPredator posted:Niel breen is a bad example because he owns. His art is stupid and weird and unique. No one makes anything like him Absolutely agree. Grendels Dad posted:Yeah I agree with all of this. There was really no need for this topic to take up five pages. This! Is! A CBM thread!
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Her grandfather mauled the population of a small town for ten years with his own personal pride of lions without consequence, she had the clout necessary to hire an agent that would know that a sony madame web film would be a big stinker
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That DICK! posted:Her grandfather mauled the population of a small town for ten years with his own personal pride of lions without consequence, she had the clout necessary to hire an agent that would know that a sony madame web film would be a big stinker drat, Sony created some brand synergy between Madame Web and Kraven The Raven.
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The only thing I'm "Kraven" is more Madame Web, swinging onto home video and digital on April 30th, 2024!!
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March 14th is International Save a Spider day. Missed opportunity. 
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That DICK! posted:Her grandfather mauled the population of a small town for ten years with his own personal pride of lions without consequence That’d actually be a good origin story for a modern kraven.
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GateOfD posted:why did the old comic book movie thread get closed anyway New forums policy of fewer megathreads.
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GateOfD posted:why did the old comic book movie thread get closed anyway comic book movies are dead
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Just to be clear, is Dakota not caring the reason why the villains' lines got poorly ADRd? Or why she foresaw him crushed by one letter, but he wound up crushed by another?
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Was there a version of this where the villain could see into the leads visions? The Britney Spears sequence makes no sense otherwise.RandomPauI posted:Just to be clear, is Dakota not caring the reason why the villains' lines got poorly ADRd? Or why she foresaw him crushed by one letter, but he wound up crushed by another? She gets some ADR as well, so I doubt it.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Was there a version of this where the villain could see into the leads visions? The Britney Spears sequence makes no sense otherwise. What do you mean? There's a whole scene where his hacker lackey finds them after one of the truckers calls in a police tip. How dare you question the logic of this movie?!
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Thorgot posted:What do you mean? There's a whole scene where his hacker lackey finds them after one of the truckers calls in a police tip. Nah, lol, nah. The first time she drives normally to the diner and the villain turns up after about a minute. The second time she speeds there, but the villain turns up thirty seconds early. How'd he get there faster the second time unless he can also see her visions? Which is maybe possible because later on he pops up and taunts her, but it's not clear whether that's a special thing he contrived that one time or whether anyone can wander into anyone else's future vision as long as they've got spidey mind palace powers or
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I'd just handwave it as something to do with changes to traffic between the two timelines. Like, the "She books it" timeline causes the villian to not get stuck at a red light or something. I'm not gonna bother figuring out the timeline, that's the job of the script supervisor. Edit: It could have been more interesting if Web's personality shifted just a little bit after each time she died, and she could really only predict/prevent her death until her trip to see RandomPauI fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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So was somebody being facetious, or did villain guy seriously use face recognition software on his vision?
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Das Boo posted:So was somebody being facetious, or did villain guy seriously use face recognition software on his vision? He has likenesses mocked up from memory and then he runs facial recognition on those designs.
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Open Source Idiom posted:He has likenesses mocked up from memory and then he runs facial recognition on those designs.
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It's genius, I kinda love it. gently caress you fate, I'm making a photofit out of your haunting visions of my death.
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